Draft Watcher Knightmare's 2013 phantom draft

[Sydswans0512]

C'mon guys the only thing Stanley's done is win a grand final sprint the guys a gug

 

[Thurlow2Mackie]

C'mon guys the only thing Stanley's done is win a grand final sprint the guys a gug

Not true, he also beat Liam Jones and Ben Reid

 

[Sydswans0512]

Not true, he also beat Liam Jones and Ben Reid

Pfft he couldn't beat his own meat

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Updated.

Cheers Knightmare. Like your mix and more than happy with Dumont at 21. Would like Nankervis and probably skipped pick 70 (or taken Blaine Johnson) but then I can go and do my own phantom.

PS glad you weren't drawn in by all the Impey 'mail' out there.

 

[Sydswans0512]

What do you think the swans will do with the lack of ruckman then

 

[paul scholes]

Rhys Stanley great athlete, and ordinary footballer.
Many clubs are guilty of drafting an athlete ahead of a footballer, including mine.

 

[aussierulesrules]

Bloody hell, didn't realise I was on the Bay. I love how we're writing off 22yo's who are 202cm and have had very injury-interrupted starts to their careers, in spite of the fact they've played genuinely good games of footy, though.

 

[Knightmare]

Cheers Knightmare. Like your mix and more than happy with Dumont at 21. Would like Nankervis and probably skipped pick 70 (or taken Blaine Johnson) but then I can go and do my own phantom.

PS glad you weren't drawn in by all the Impey 'mail' out there.

Just so many names being thrown out there that it's almost irrelevant who is at any one selection once it gets into the 20s.

Port Adelaide as shown with Wines last year aren't afraid to go for Victorian talent so Impey or Hartung or one of those other smaller Victorian mids, perhaps Kennedy-Harris might be a chance but with so many quality South Australian's available I'd go the local talent and argue that the grunt they can provide is more important through the midfield with that still something missing to an extent with the Port Adelaide contested ball and clearance numbers not as high as they need to be as a relative weakness.

I think a number of us on here like Nankervis. He's a big, big improver and his numbers absolutely excellent through the u18 champs.

I'm rooting for he and a few others to get through to Collingwood at 67.

What do you think the swans will do with the lack of ruckman then

Lobb has been heavily linked to Sydney so he's a strong chance.

I'd be taking Mark Seaby personally though with the last active selection. He's dominated in the WAFL this year and would be the ideal no.1 ruckman to take over from Mumford as someone who's still at the peak of his game and as a short term rental is someone who can help make Sydney better and has a pretty good idea of how Sydney want to play.
Sydney are in win now mode so he's the ideal addition in Sydney's situation.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Just so many names being thrown out there that it's almost irrelevant who is at any one selection once it gets into the 20s.

Port Adelaide as shown with Wines last year aren't afraid to go for Victorian talent so Impey or Hartung or one of those other smaller Victorian mids, perhaps Kennedy-Harris might be a chance but with so many quality South Australian's available I'd go the local talent and argue that the grunt they can provide is more important through the midfield with that still something missing to an extent with the Port Adelaide contested ball and clearance numbers not as high as they need to be as a relative weakness.

I think a number of us on here like Nankervis. He's a big, big improver and his numbers absolutely excellent through the u18 champs.

I'm rooting for he and a few others to get through to Collingwood at 67.

Yep, fair enough assumption. Port are keen on strong-bodied mids and see Adelaide Oval as being a contested footy ground.

 

[Sydswans0512]

Just so many names being thrown out there that it's almost irrelevant who is at any one selection once it gets into the 20s.

Port Adelaide as shown with Wines last year aren't afraid to go for Victorian talent so Impey or Hartung or one of those other smaller Victorian mids, perhaps Kennedy-Harris might be a chance but with so many quality South Australian's available I'd go the local talent and argue that the grunt they can provide is more important through the midfield with that still something missing to an extent with the Port Adelaide contested ball and clearance numbers not as high as they need to be as a relative weakness.

I think a number of us on here like Nankervis. He's a big, big improver and his numbers absolutely excellent through the u18 champs.

I'm rooting for he and a few others to get through to Collingwood at 67.



Lobb has been heavily linked to Sydney so he's a strong chance.

I'd be taking Mark Seaby personally though with the last active selection. He's dominated in the WAFL this year and would be the ideal no.1 ruckman to take over from Mumford as someone who's still at the peak of his game and as a short term rental is someone who can help make Sydney better and has a pretty good idea of how Sydney want to play.
Sydney are in win now mode so he's the ideal addition in Sydney's situation.

That's what I was thinking but you changed a few of your selections and don't have Sydney picking up any

 

[fronkalicious]

Km, I'm a dogs fan that's been drooling at the prospect of Libba feeding aish on the outside. Now this bontempelli rumour has exploded. Please tell me why passing on aish for bontempelli is a good thing, as right now, I just don't see it.

 

[Snake Charmer]

Erin Wesley-Black no chance to get drafted ???

 

[thetradesman]

Knightmare who do you think the tigers will actually end up taking?

and what are your thoughts on Ben Cavvara?

 

[Old Campaigner]

Hey Knightmare where do you see Reynolds being picked? The AFL draft page reckons his range is 45 onwards but a few people have assumed he'd go sooner than that.

 

[daniel23]

Well shit, those two have just pretty much said all this as I've been writing it, but I went to the trouble of writing it, so I might as well post it!:

You think Stanley's breakout season was due when he was 20yo? How many at 202cm, who were drafted as a "project", have a breakout season at 20? He also hardly got out on the park until last year (2012), due to consistent injuries and even that year he did his hammy twice and missed 6 weeks each time. That was considered a good year, injury-wise, for him!

Then this year he was thrown to the wolves in a position he'd probably never played before in his life, after having only played half a game leading into the season and while he understandably struggled on the likes of Cloke, who he wasn't suited to or ready to play on, he did manage to convincingly beat the much more physically suitable Sam Reid, Jeremy Cameron and Liam Jones, when matched up on them (kept them to 2 scoring shots between them in 2.5 games) and had 18 possies and 14 marks himself, in another game (possibly his first ever full game in defence at any level and his first full game in 6 months). That said, he was showing really good signs up forward and in the ruck prior to his hammy injuries early in 2012 and as such I imagine he'll be playing up forward/ruck again next year.

He has plenty of shortcomings and is never likely to be any more than as you put it a "component of a team", as he is much more of an "athlete" than a "footballer", but to suggest that he should have had a breakout season two years ago, when he was always going to take time, even without the injuries, is going a fair bit too far, I would have thought.

As for Hickey, he was also only 22yo this year and only took up the game when he was 18 and while he struggled up forward this year, it was pretty clear that he is best suited in the ruck and he really impressed late in the year in the ruck, when given the no.1 ruck responsibility and I dare say that is why we were prepared to move Ben McEvoy on. He looked every bit someone who would relish the no.1 responsibility in 2014.

I'm also not sure why you say he's "not a marking threat", when his sticky fingers overhead are one of his best attributes. He reportedly took the most contested marks in a single game (7) of anyone in the 2012 season, despite it only being his 5th AFL game and ended up with 16 in his 10 games for that season. He understandably still has plenty to learn, but his marking is certainly far from an issue. Having seen plenty of them both, I consider Hickey's overhead marking to be not far short of McEvoy's. Mac is physically stronger in a marking contest, but Hickey's hands are just as strong and he's probably going to be able to get into space more easily, being more nimble and agile. He also follows up much better in the packs than Ben and some of his tapwork this year was stuff that we hadn't seen at our club since probably Steven King and Michael Gardiner were here.

Regardless of all this though, your mock is where you think everyone is going to go on the night and whether you rate any of these three or not, our club rates them enough that we were prepared to trade McEvoy and weren't willing to trade Stanley (when Port enquired this offseason) and then we went out and spent a reasonably high pick on Longer, after spending an even higher pick on Hickey last year, so the chance of us now going out and spending a top 20 pick on another who plays a similar role, but who isn't generally rated that high in the draft, when we have more pressing needs, is very slim, I would imagine, so I guess we just figured that you would like to know that, considering your mock is you trying to predict what happens on the night.

it's only km personal opinion about those players don't get to upset about it , it's also a phantom draft which means it's not actually who your club is going to pick if you haven't realised , i think the saints didnt trade stanley either because they would of struggled to get more then a 4th rounder for him

 

[SSSSSS]

Not too keen on with Apeness as a our first pick. Doesn't really fill a need for us considering we got two big boys (albeit project players) coming in through the NZ rookie system. With our picks though beggars can't be choosers I guess

It's been a great read KM

 

[lions2016]

There's no way in the world Brisbane will take McCarthy. Not after just picking up Paine, McGaune, Freeman as an Academy selection and they've got Close and Paparone plus a few ruck/forwards waiting in the wings.

 

[Hayes4PM]

Billings, Crouch and Hartung. Delightful.

 

[Knightmare]

That's what I was thinking but you changed a few of your selections and don't have Sydney picking up any

I have Mark Seaby going to Sydney with that final selection. Not that it will be an active pick on draft day but I slotted him in because I saw him as a suitable solution.

Km, I'm a dogs fan that's been drooling at the prospect of Libba feeding aish on the outside. Now this bontempelli rumour has exploded. Please tell me why passing on aish for bontempelli is a good thing, as right now, I just don't see it.

Bontempelli has the higher ceiling of the two. We haven't seen a guy at 193cm who can move like Bontempelli with ball in hand or use it as well as he can. The really unique thing with Bontempelli is that he's still growing and his game is improving rapidly. He has the pedigree as Dal Santo's cousin and when a guy is this tall and already as good as he is the potential is there when he enters his 20s to become a dominant player in our game.

Aish will be the more immediate help and the more sure thing and will without question go on to have a very long and outstanding career. It's just weighing up whether the club go for the immediate sure thing or the guy who can become as good as any in this draft.

I'd personally pick Aish ahead of Bontempelli. But I also like the Bontempelli fit for the Dogs and feel he's one of the very few guys I'd take the risk on early as a relatively late riser.

Erin Wesley-Black no chance to get drafted ???

He's a chance to get drafted. I just haven't been taken by his game and I wouldn't lock him in. He's one of many who can be drafted, but he'll have to wait until draft day to hear the outcome.

Knightmare who do you think the tigers will actually end up taking?

and what are your thoughts on Ben Cavvara?

Salem, Lennon. Scharenberg if he slides past the Pies. Zac Jones has recently been linked to Richmond so it would be interesting to know whether he's another one Richmond would consider.
To hazard a guess Salem and Scharenberg are more likely than not gone so probably Lennon.

Cavarra is a small who runs all day. Productive TAC Cup player but I'm not expecting him to feature on draft day. Probably more a rookie selection if picked.

Hey Knightmare where do you see Reynolds being picked? The AFL draft page reckons his range is 45 onwards but a few people have assumed he'd go sooner than that.

Reynolds is probably a late draft selection. I haven't heard him linked to any teams in the first two rounds of the draft so probably third round onward. He's one of the most damaging kicks but as a leadup forward who is relatively one dimensional specialist type as a mark and kick player as a medium sizer that usually goes later on in the draft.
I'd have no problem picking him anywhere from around pick 50 though. Any key forward would love to be on the end of his passes.

There's no way in the world Brisbane will take McCarthy. Not after just picking up Paine, McGaune, Freeman as an Academy selection and they've got Close and Paparone plus a few ruck/forwards waiting in the wings.

Some years clubs have a theme to their drafts.

I'm not seeing any talent amongst that group.

Top end key forwards come from high draft selections or F/S picks. Not late selections or from someone else's unwanted pile.

Paine is a good state league key forward but hardly someone you build a forwardline around and he's serviceable at best. Strong mark but movement very limited and will provide zero tackling pressure with his first step incredibly limited and won't break away from anyone on the lead. Despite his reported measurements he's also a very short key forward at somewhere around 189-191cm.

McGuane was serviceable up forward for Richmond earlier this season but like with Paine he's another serviceable type who is more a stop gap.

Freeman is one of the least natural key forwards you'll ever see. He's athletic, tall and has a strong body. But he's also a very low production project key forward who doesn't have key forward talent.

Paparone is an undersized running forward who is more someone who will push up the ground but isn't a marking target.

Then Close is a big body who can run all day but again is a low level key forward.

I'd make adding a quality young key forward a priority. I'm not seeing any guys you'd want to build with long term amongst that group. It's just a bunch of athletes (Paparone/Close), projects (McGuane) and serviceable at best types (Paine/McGuane/Lisle).

 

[Hotcox]

Hey Knighmare

Do you think Bontempelli will slip to pick 13 and Dunstan/Cripps to pick 39?

This is what I am hearing as the 3 players Carlton are most keen on in this draft.

 

[Austin_McCrabbs]

Pfft he couldn't beat his own meat

Thurlow2mackie likes this.

 

[Knightmare]

Hey Knighmare

Do you think Bontempelli will slip to pick 13 and Dunstan/Cripps to pick 39?

This is what I am hearing as the 3 players Carlton are most keen on in this draft.

It would be a welcome surprise for Carlton if Bontempelli did slide that far.

St Kilda and Western Bulldogs are said to be considering Bontempelli. Collingwood and Brisbane also will consider him if there.

He's have to slide through a number of teams but it's possible.

Dunstan and Cripps have been linked to Carlton at pick 13 curiously. Probably backup plans if the talents Carlton like aren't available. I can't see them sliding to pick 39. Dunstan will go in the teens/twenties with Cripps likely doing the same. Stranger things have happened through and if that happened Carlton would be laughing.

 

[Dan87]

Hey KM,

How would you feel if Collingwood took Zac Jones at pick 10? I'm quite keen on his potential as a Sydney supporter. Really seems to be developing as a two way mid with a future. Like him for Sydney.
Any concerning deficiencies in your opinion?

 

[Knightmare]

Hey KM,

How would you feel if Collingwood took Zac Jones at pick 10? I'm quite keen on his potential as a Sydney supporter. Really seems to be developing as a two way mid with a future. Like him for Sydney.
Any concerning deficiencies in your opinion?

Jones hasn't been linked to Collingwood and won't go so high on draft day. He's relatively well preformed by position but I'd be disappointed that Collingwood couldn't find better with the top 10 relatively talented and a few sliders likely to be available.

At 15 that's getting closer to where he could realistically get selected from. He's a relatively good all rounder so I wouldn't concern myself with his deficiencies. He can sometimes try to do a little too much by foot and while he's agile and doesn't get caught with the ball he's not a freak athlete either.
Excellent footballer though and someone I'd want on my team because he'll play his role and win his position.
I'd be taking him over Apeness/Lobb/Merrett and some of those others recently getting linked to Sydney and he's a good fit with what Sydney as a club are about as a hard, two way type who will put in the work.

 

[RUNVS]

I'd be taking him over Apeness/Lobb/Merrett and some of those others recently getting linked to Sydney and he's a good fit with what Sydney as a club are about as a hard, two way type who will put in the work.

Plus I am sort of getting sick of the Swans using our first round pick (usually around the 12-18 mark) to get a player with lots of potential but a heart the size of a pea and no work ethic. Jones seems almost like a safe bet compared to a lot of our previous first round pick players.

Here are our previous first round selections

2012 (pick 22) - Dean Towers
2011 (pick 21 F/S) - Tom Mitchell
2010 (pick 21) - Jed Lamb
2009 (Pick 6 and pick 14) - Gary Rohan, Lewis Jetta
2008 (pick 12) - Lewis Johnston
2007 (pick 11) - Patrick Viszpremi
2006 (pick 15) - Daniel O'Keefe


Realistically there are 3 success stories there and one of those success stories was a F/S selection so our recruiters couldn't stuff it up.