Draft Watcher Knightmare's 2014 Phantom Draft

[Yoda_]

How ready to go is Connor Menadue Knightmare?

Thinking he is a better fit for us than a Blakely or De Goey at this stage.

 

[monty1104]

Thought you were gonna say him, will be interesting to see how Kommer returns from his injuries

It will be interesting. Given that since he last played, we've added Chapman, Ambrose, Cooney and maybe even Gwilt to our forward rotations, I'd say his return to the side is questionable, however he will have next year to prove himself. He won't be delisted.

Back to the draft, I'd like to see us take Goddard if available, otherwise the best mid available at 17. With 20 I'd take Reece McKenzie if there, otherwise again take the best mid.

 

[Knightmare]

Like the look of Connor Blakey , any chance of him being around at hawks first pick 31??

I'm increasingly seeing Blakely going earlier and probably somewhere around pick 20, perhaps even a touch earlier. It's plausible that Blakely is still available at 31 but increasingly unlikely.

How ready to go is Connor Menadue Knightmare?

Thinking he is a better fit for us than a Blakely or De Goey at this stage.

Menadue will take time. He'll need a couple of seasons in the VFL building up his body before he becomes a regular. Just not productive enough of at this point, as impactful as those occasional touches are.,

If you want acceleration Menadue is terrific but if you want immediate guys Blakely and De Goey are better choices as guys who can if required play season one and season two become regulars.

 

[Yoda_]

Menadue will take time. He'll need a couple of seasons in the VFL building up his body before he becomes a regular. Just not productive enough of at this point, as impactful as those occasional touches are.,

If you want acceleration Menadue is terrific but if you want immediate guys Blakely and De Goey are better choices as guys who can if required play season one and season two become regulars.

With (inside) midfielders like Kavanagh, NOB, Aylett, Hams already at the Bombers, thinking we will go for that dynamic type or possibly one of those two (Keitel or Lamb) utility types at 17/20.

How much has he (Menadue) improved in the last 12 months? could he transition that again and possibly play some games later in the year? Thinking he is a perfect replacement for Cooney in 2 - 3 years time as that explosive midfield type (possibly starting as a flanker?).

 

[MightyDons4]

It will be interesting. Given that since he last played, we've added Chapman, Ambrose, Cooney and maybe even Gwilt to our forward rotations, I'd say his return to the side is questionable, however he will have next year to prove himself. He won't be delisted.

Back to the draft, I'd like to see us take Goddard if available, otherwise the best mid available at 17. With 20 I'd take Reece McKenzie if there, otherwise again take the best mid.

If we took Goddard at 17 I would definitely be looking for an outside mid at 20, with Cockatoo likely to be gone my attention would turn to Ellis/Garlett/Menadue. Mckenzie is too much of a flat track bully, rarely kicking bags against good opposition, he won't have the same strength advantage at AFL level. What really lets him down is his goal kicking and his temperament, which isn't always easily fixed.

 

[monty1104]

If we took Goddard at 17 I would definitely be looking for an outside mid at 20, with Cockatoo likely to be gone my attention would turn to Ellis/Garlett/Menadue. Mckenzie is too much of a flat track bully, rarely kicking bags against good opposition, he won't have the same strength advantage at AFL level. What really lets him down is his goal kicking and his temperament, which isn't always easily fixed.

With Fletcher, Pears and Steinberg all likely gone by the end of 2015, I'd still be looking at Goddard and McKenzie. KPPs take longer to develop so ideally you'd plan further ahead for them than mids.

FWIW I don't see Goddard lasting until 17 anyway, so it's probably a moot point. I'd be disappointed if we didn't take at least one tall though.

 

[MightyDons4]

With Fletcher, Pears and Steinberg all likely gone by the end of 2015, I'd still be looking at Goddard and McKenzie. KPPs take longer to develop so ideally you'd plan further ahead for them than mids.

FWIW I don't see Goddard lasting until 17 anyway, so it's probably a moot point. I'd be disappointed if we didn't take at least one tall though.

Whilst Goddard looks unlikely to last until 17, Tyler Keitel would definately be available at 20. I think we're jumping the gun about 5-10 places early but that won't matter if he develops well.

 

[The Dr]

KM, what is the earliest you can see Cockatoo going? I can see clubs falling in love with his attributes. Could he go as early as the Giants' pick 7?

 

[Mullayo]

Knightmare,
That stuff about Emma Quale's draft accuracy got me thinking. This isn't your first rodeo obviously, with the draft on November 27 when would you say you start to get a clear picture about who clubs are really looking at and likely to take? When in the process do some picks get set in stone? How do you hear about it? Is it from player and club meetings? Articles in the newspaper?

 

[captain cotch 9]

Surley the tigers are very interested in De Goey?
He has everything that we need atm.
Id be happy with Ahern, Duggan or De Goey.

 

[007Tigers]

hey knightmare,

you have richmond taking Kyle Langford, Daniel Howe & James Rose, with our first 3 picks.

We have already stated we will be targeting inside midfielders and pace, all 3 of those players address neither of our concerns

I am abit confused as to why you think we will get those 3?

 

[x_les_x]

Hey KM, port's delisting of ben newton we've got moore young an ah chee as depth which is ok but would you think panos is a higher chance of being picked up now? Also any tall mid/half back flankers that you would think would slide? someone like a capiron

 

[Knightmare]

With (inside) midfielders like Kavanagh, NOB, Aylett, Hams already at the Bombers, thinking we will go for that dynamic type or possibly one of those two (Keitel or Lamb) utility types at 17/20.

How much has he (Menadue) improved in the last 12 months? could he transition that again and possibly play some games later in the year? Thinking he is a perfect replacement for Cooney in 2 - 3 years time as that explosive midfield type (possibly starting as a flanker?).

Menadue may have averaged around 10 disposals per game and now would be closer to 20 (but then again he has gone more from playing on a back flank to more a midfield role so that's why he has expected the jump in numbers). He has improved strongly but his improvement isn't so rapid that he could do a Bontempelli and play in season one and later in season one I would not be comfortable playing him at AFL level. It's more season two you would be hoping that he would be pushing up into at least the depth charts and perhaps looking for a couple of senior games.

Menadue in probably 3 years time if Cooney lasts could be a replacement if he builds up his body and develops his inside game - which are unknowns.

KM, what is the earliest you can see Cockatoo going? I can see clubs falling in love with his attributes. Could he go as early as the Giants' pick 7?

Geelong if Wells loses his mind could look to Cockatoo at 10, maybe WCE at 11 or Adelaide at 14 or Gold Coast at 15 at a push. Realistically probably somewhere closer to pick 20 is more likely.

GWS I can't see taking Cockatoo, nor GC with their first pick with a few others I see them liking more.

Knightmare,
That stuff about Emma Quale's draft accuracy got me thinking. This isn't your first rodeo obviously, with the draft on November 27 when would you say you start to get a clear picture about who clubs are really looking at and likely to take? When in the process do some picks get set in stone? How do you hear about it? Is it from player and club meetings? Articles in the newspaper?

A week before/the week of the draft things start to fall into place. The media then usually have a pretty good idea and start to post pieces relating to who likely goes where inside the top 10 or thereabouts and as a result I start to put those pieces together and make my own interpretation.

The media people will for accuracy of phantom draft more years than not be more accurate than I will as they're actually talking to clubs. I'm just a guy who watches a lot of games and footage but without that interaction with the clubs.

Surley the tigers are very interested in De Goey?
He has everything that we need atm.
Id be happy with Ahern, Duggan or De Goey.

De Goey is likely a consideration for Richmond. Whether he is the pick, Richmond I tend to think may rate a few others more highly.

hey knightmare,

you have richmond taking Kyle Langford, Daniel Howe & James Rose, with our first 3 picks.

We have already stated we will be targeting inside midfielders and pace, all 3 of those players address neither of our concerns

I am abit confused as to why you think we will get those 3?

It depends entirely on what you project these guys become.

Langford may well become a midfielder. Howe also may well become a midfielder. They both have traits that suggest it is a switch they can make. Rose could end up anywhere positionally a the midfield isn't out of the question either for him.

Basically I have this jumbled mix of players going to Richmond because there is not at each selection a midfielder worthwhile picking with others representing more value.

On Howe also he was linked to Richmond last year so he may given his improvement this year and improved versatility be one example of someone in the mix for Richmond.

Hey KM, port's delisting of ben newton we've got moore young an ah chee as depth which is ok but would you think panos is a higher chance of being picked up now? Also any tall mid/half back flankers that you would think would slide? someone like a capiron

Panos could be a chance and there are a number of clubs keen so he is in the mix.

Capiron is a chance to slide, Viojo-Rainbow and Jackson Nelson also may. Nathan Drummond, Teia Miles, Matthew Goodyear, Billy Gowers, Daniel Butler and Jason Castagna are some further names who should be available late.

 

[grundog49]

Hey KM, we have alot of rebounding defenders at adelaide (Matt jaensch, Brodie with and ricky henderson) what makes Nathan drummond different?

What is Nathan Drummond's player comparison?

Do you reckon one of the South Australian inside mids (Alex Neal-Bullen, Peter bampton or Dean Gore) could slip to our 2nd pick

 

[Knightmare]

Hey KM, we have alot of rebounding defenders at adelaide (Matt jaensch, Brodie with and ricky henderson) what makes Nathan drummond different?

What is Nathan Drummond's player comparison?

Do you reckon one of the South Australian inside mids (Alex Neal-Bullen, Peter bampton or Dean Gore) could slip to our 2nd pick

Drummond while he can play back is more a mid.

Perhaps think of more a contested ball winning, inside version of Taylor Hunt or Shaun Atley.

Drummond as is an extremely explosive midfielder and an all round athletic freakshow who is a strong contested ball winner but lacking the consistency by foot.

It is possible one of the three SA mids falls to Adelaide's second round pick. If they do, they would represent terrific value.

 

[grundog49]

Drummond as is an extremely explosive midfielder and an all round athletic freakshow who is a strong contested ball winner but lacking the consistency by foot.

I was suprised he didn't get pick uped last year with his combine results in 2013

 

[Knightmare]

I was suprised he didn't get pick uped last year with his combine results in 2013

Drummond missed most of last year with injury which is why.

He has improved his production so he is trending the right way.

 

[bananatigz]

Hey KM, do you see Glenn as a ready to play type prospect if we wanted a rebounding defender who could contribute from season one?

 

[Knightmare]

Hey KM, do you see Glenn as a ready to play type prospect if we wanted a rebounding defender who could contribute from season one?

Glenn can have a fairly immediate impact. Season one he can play and sometime in those first two seasons I see him looking to establish himself in a best team.

I haven't posted his bio but I'll post it here for your interest. *again apologies for the poor formatting - will update the formatting in the op when I update/create a new thread

41. Josh Glenn (SA – Util)Height: 180cm, Weight: 78kg, DOB: 10/03/1994
Recruited from: Central Districts
Draft range: 30-rookieBest position/role: Half back flank.
Strengths: Versatility – Glenn has the versatility to play off a back flank, forward flank, on a wing or through the midfield on the ball.
Pace – He has excellent pace and has some very good linebreaking ability as someone who can take on the game to a very good standard and generate some meaningful run and carry off a back flank.
Work rate – Glenn covers the ground well and has excellent endurance. He will often find a ball on a back flank and provide run or find a target and then continue to follow the ball up the field into the front half to remain involved in the offensive drive.
Footskills – Glenn is an excellent kick of the footy. He is dual sided and comfortable on both sides. He has some real composure with ball in hand and he is an excellent kick to a target demonstrating good vision and execution on his kicks. He makes good decisions consistently. He has penetration out to around 55m on his kick and is good over short, medium and long distance. He is a mostly a good finisher around goal both from general play and from set shots. He is also very efficient with his ball use as someone who knows when to look for someone damaging and when to go for the short, easy target. His work by hand is also consistent and reliable.
Inside/outside balance – Although as a smaller player who is damaging on the outside Glenn has a relatively good inside/outside balance to his game. He can find the ball on the outside but he also shown that he can win some of his own ball and win some clearances at times.
Scoreboard impact – Glenn this season in the SANFL at League level averaged nearly a goal a game which for someone who only occasionally played forward is very good.
Intercept marking ability – When utilised down back Glenn shows that he reads the flight of the ball well and has a good feel for when to leave his man for the intercept mark. He also demonstrates strong hands overhead.
Weaknesses:Maturity? - Glenn in his draft year had a falling out with his U18 coach and after the first few games of the season did not play again. Then last year the good sign was that he pushed from nowhere into the senior SANFL League side but then decided against nominating for the national draft which for a player in demand after a breakout season is highly unusual. This year he is nominating for the AFL draft and saying that he is ready, but this is a highly unusual pathway into the AFL system and you would want to know from interviewing his past coaches some further insight into his coachability and maturity.
Best position – Glenn with the success he has had in a number of different positions, it is difficult to peg him into a definite best position.
Defensive running – Glenn is someone who does significant damage offensively but will put more effort into his offensive running and sometimes not give that same level of effort running defensively, though to his credit he has shown improvement in this area of his game this year.
Tackling ability – Glenn is a below average tackler, his tackling numbers are below average and his tackles are not bone crunching. I find he does not always go as hard at the opposition player with the ball as he does at other times with his strength more when his team has possession.
What I expect will improve:I expect Glenn to remain more an offensive minded player, perhaps improves his defensive running and tackling slightly but overall I see him looking to continue to build on his strengths and translate them to AFL level.
Who he can become?Josh Glenn has the scope to develop into something like a poor man’s Bachar Houli as that similar running back flanker who can offensively do some damage with his run and footskills. When will he be ready to play?Glenn is season one ready to play and will look from season one to receive a number of games and likely in season two look to establish himself as a regular for a team.
How to best utilise him?Glenn with his versatility gives you options but I slightly prefer him at this point off a back flank with his run and carry and ability to find targets by foot up the field.


Interpretation of his numbers:Glenn’s numbers through the SANFL at League level have been strong for a damaging player. His disposal per game numbers have been at times up and down but mostly very good, his disposal efficiency is excellent, his mark per game numbers were good, his scoreboard impact was excellent for a mostly midfielder, his clearance per game numbers were solid with his tackle per game numbers slightly below average for a midfielder.

 

[hatescaptcha]

Hey Knightmare,

What's your thoughts on Billy Frampton from South Fremantle?
He's very bottom aged but looks to have all the right tools to play Forward/Ruck to a high level.
Not seeing him in any Phantoms though, believe he was invited to the combine so there would be some interest.

Cheers.

 

[Chris25]

I think you've gotten some of those strengths and weaknesses around the wrong way for Josh Glenn.

I'd suggest his biggest hurdle to an AFL career is a lack of pace. It's not a deal breaker, but he'd be below average at the top level. Tackling and defensive running is something I've never had any issues with either.

Houli, Suckling and Malceski types would be the goal. But he's got a little Nic Suban to him, with similar weaknesses to those that are holding Suban back.

 

[Suma Magic]

Eagles could really do with Glenn. Not sure if he would still be there at pick 51, but that would be the likely pick we might use on him.

 

[Mullayo]

A week before/the week of the draft things start to fall into place. The media then usually have a pretty good idea and start to post pieces relating to who likely goes where inside the top 10 or thereabouts and as a result I start to put those pieces together and make my own interpretation.

The media people will for accuracy of phantom draft more years than not be more accurate than I will as they're actually talking to clubs. I'm just a guy who watches a lot of games and footage but without that interaction with the clubs.

Thanks Knightmare,
Always sharing with everyone your constructive opinions and information - you are a legend!

 

[InFineForm]

Hey KM, Kangas fan, some phantom's have Sam Durdin sliding a bit. Any slim chance he could fall as far as Pick 16? Is there anyone else that you think is on the slippery dip?!
Awesome reading your thoughts each year!

 

[Vindicater]

Any idea who might jump in on Newton from Port?