Knights OR Ratten

[Blueinblood]

Which coach would you rather have leading your team into 2008 if you had to choose.

Im doing this because there is alot of bicker between the 2 supporter bases about which one is better and everyone has there own opinion.

WHO AND WHY

 

[Flukey!]

Ratten

 

[Hawkers Hero]

Can I vote for a Captain Coach?

I really wouldnt want either of them leading the club.

 

[shizzle]

If I had to choose one of them to coach my team, I would start following soccer.

 

[Windas_Magic]

I know you said it was for opposition supporters (im not voting) but you cant choose whose a better coach yet as both havnt had a season to coach. Ratten has coached a few games but Knighter hasnt even coached one. I also know you said 'who would you rather lead your team into 2008' but no one can make a fair judgment because of the reason i have mentioned. Anyway, i hope that both coaches do ok and start their teams fightback off the bottom of the ladder.

 

[Blueinblood]

Its more who they think is more capable of having success on the field and who will be a better coach eventually

 

[Merv]

You know there is a polls board?

 

[Windas_Magic]

Its more who they think is more capable of having success on the field and who will be a better coach eventually

but how would they know? Knights hasnt coached a games and no one has seen how he peforms under pressure or what game style he plays etc. Another factor with coaching is match-ups and how they ploy a certain tactic against certain players or teams. I just think this would've been a better thread if it was made halfway through the season at least.

 

[Daytripper]

Ratten is 0-6.

How could anyone be worse ?

 

[cs61]

Hawthorn were laughed at when we "missed out" on Wallace and Eade, and decided to go with rookie coach in Clarkson.

Bigfooty is rarely based on actual fact but more reputation and image, and since Ratten and Knights don't have anything tangible we can judge them on, as we don't really know what their presentations and football ideaologies contained, there isn't much point in discussing it.

On purely face value though, I'd go Ratten purely because I know he played through Carlton's winning culture and won a premiership which is pretty good knowledge to have whereas Knights played in a lot of non finals playing Richmond. Whether that is important or not I don't know, but is the only thing I can really judge them on.

 

[utility]

Ratten.

Carlton tanked last year so I wouldn't use that as a guide. I believe Knights' last coaching outing was in a VFL final where his team blew a nine goal lead at half time and lost by six goals. The jury is out but he hasn't impressed at lower levels.

 

[whelan=legend]

I was about to vote but then...

Really i would not touch either with a 10 foot pole

 

[DynamoUltra]

Ratten is 0-6.

How could anyone be worse ?

I can't decide because they haven't had a chance to show their wares - however, if I had to at this stage, I'd go with Knights simply because Ratten has so far failed to win a game, even with the euphoria that comes with a change of coach mid-season.

 

[Blueinblood]

speaking to a melbourne identity the other day, he said bailey was a good teacher but had doubts over weather he was a good coach

 

[Deep Blue]

I know you said it was for opposition supporters (im not voting) but you cant choose whose a better coach yet as both havnt had a season to coach. Ratten has coached a few games but Knighter hasnt even coached one. I also know you said 'who would you rather lead your team into 2008' but no one can make a fair judgment because of the reason i have mentioned. Anyway, i hope that both coaches do ok and start their teams fightback off the bottom of the ladder.

Sensible reply - how can anyone make an assessment at this stage. If character traits and the way they come across in the media is any guide I would say they will both make very good coaches; I just hope Knights get a long enough time to make his mark at Essendon - I get the feeling that the Essendon hierarchy may expect too much of Knights and the current Essendon list: Essendon will have to go down or stay around where they are for a little while before they move up again - they're going to have to do a Carlton (not for as long though).

 

[Burzum]

Ratten.

Carlton tanked last year so I wouldn't use that as a guide. I believe Knights' last coaching outing was in a VFL final where his team blew a nine goal lead at half time and lost by six goals. The jury is out but he hasn't impressed at lower levels.

Bendigo relied heavily on Essendon listed players, and the best of that crop were injured throughout the game, so there was no interchange. But let's not let facts get in the way.

 

[douls]

I was about to vote but then...

Really i would not touch either with a 10 foot pole

Why? Ratten used to be an assistant at Melbourne and was highly sought after by the club.

 

[Sttew]

Will Kinights be another Danny Frawley? i.e., a coach who played in an unsuccessful team and therefore knows little about winning culture?

 

[bhorjus]

Tough choice. Neither have a whole alot of experience at coaching at senior level so it will be interesting to see.

Repost this thread at the end of Round 22.

 

[whelan=legend]

Why? Ratten used to be an assistant at Melbourne and was highly sought after by the club.

Because of Rattens record at Carlton. He hasnt even won a game yet. I was about to vote Ratten before i remembered this.

 

[Deep Blue]

Because of Rattens record at Carlton. He hasnt even won a game yet. I was about to vote Ratten before i remembered this.

I think we all know about the big "T". The team were very competitive under Ratten late last year and didn't suffer the blowouts that were a hallmark of Pagan's tenure - Ratten capably managed the respectable losses we had to have (as other teams have done in the past). Huge buzz and great communication down at Carlton at the moment and I'm sure the troops will respond very well under Ratten's tutelage. I think Bailey was a little relieved when Ratten had to pull-out of the running for the Melbourne job.

 

[Will.B.Worth.Da.Waite]

I was about to vote but then...

Really i would not touch either with a 10 foot pole

Thats funny, because Melbourne were VERY interested in Ratten

 

[Brock Machine]

Bailey

 

[whelan=legend]

Bailey

QFT

 

[thatswhatimtalkinabout]

Will Kinights be another Danny Frawley? i.e., a coach who played in an unsuccessful team and therefore knows little about winning culture?

Allan Jeans came from a struggling St Kilda & Tom Hafey never played VFL but they still made good coaches.

BTW I have it on very good mail that Knights will be quite good much to my chagrin as I was happy to see the Bummers sit in the Big 3 down the bottom for a while.

You have to keep in mind he has been working on the development of some of these kids for three years now so he is not exactly 'new'.

Ratten looks like he is struggling a bit but the jury is still out. Just my opinion so don't belt me over the head about it - it's too damn hot.