Kornes, Maclure and their 30 A Graders

[Meteoric Rise]

Bolton’s value to Fremantle was what they need him, and want him for. Same as every, single, trade that has ever been done, lopsided or equal. He’s an excellent player and Fremantle will benefit from having him and where they are right now - a borderline finals team who probably should have made it last season, he might be the difference between finishing 6-10 and 1-5, who knows.

They gave up whatever the f**k ‘equivalency of’ pick 2 (it’s not even pick 2 it’s just picks 10-11) may or may not be, in order to get a player that wanted to go there, that they think could make them better, using hard currency that they had in their hand to offer your club. They didn’t go to the bank and withdraw ‘pick 2’ and say here you go, have this because it’s EXACTLY what he’s worth.

They didn’t give up Tony Lockett for him, Meteoric Rise.

So let me get this straight...

which exactly out of the following things is a better guide to the actual value of a player:

A) some summary zero consequence opinions from people who have never worked in list management, or

B) the actual amount a player just traded for between a willing buyer & willing seller where people who devote their working lives and stake their reputations on judging such things are making the judgements?

If you can show us a list of players who have ever traded for as much or more, I would also be much obliged to you. Because I am pretty sure clubs feel they want and need players from other clubs all the time....

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Sure one that was favourable to Lynch and not one that 99.9% of people would hold.

Go converse with the other 99.9% of people then.

Or name 30 players whose best form of the last 3 seasons is better than Lynch's.

 

[Rich01]

Go converse with the other 99.9% of people then.

Or name 30 players whose best form of the last 3 seasons is better than Lynch's.

Bud, give it up. We will be lucky to get a dozen more games out of Lynch.

In 2025 Richmond have zero A graders.

 

[Fadge]

Well, well, well.....

Who would have thought this thread would have so quickly degenerated into the usual desperate Richmond supporters looking for validation for a handful of their squad from their two game winning wooden spoon team in 2024, who should be included in the top 40 players going into 2025.

Jeepers. Creepers.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

From a Bulldogs perspective it's a bit of a joke that Cornes is constantly critical of Bevo given what he thinks is a stacked list, then reckons we have 1 A Grader.

He's done the same with the Hawks. "stacked list", "they want for nothing".....then doesn't name our captain as an A grader, but names Day who's far more arguable than him.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Well, well, well.....

Who would have thought this thread would have so quickly degenerated into the usual desperate Richmond supporters looking for validation for a handful of their squad from their two game winning wooden spoon team in 2024, who should be included in the top 40 players going into 2025.

Jeepers. Creepers.

That is just your imfadgination.

I metioned two players that have just traded for the price of A Graders and it sent you and others into a Richmond induced tailspin. All you lot ever seem to want to discuss is Richmond or ex-Richmond players. I know this because if you didn't, then you wouldn't discuss them...as I don't believe anybody is holding a gun to your head.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Bud, give it up. We will be lucky to get a dozen more games out of Lynch.

In 2025 Richmond have zero A graders.

Not anywhere on this thread or anywhere else have I said Richmond have any A graders, or top 30 AFL players on their list in 2025. You have been thrown by the mass hysteria from the usual suspects any time I post on the main board. Watch for it in future, it is pretty amusing.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

These two lists just give another example as to why how many AA's a player has doesn't carry the weight that many think it does.

Just like these lists, those teams are made by ex-players/media who have their own bias, and are essentially fan voted.

 

[PhatBoy]

So let me get this straight...

which exactly out of the following things is a better guide to the actual value of a player:

A) some summary zero consequence opinions from people who have never worked in list management, or

B) the actual amount a player just traded for between a willing buyer & willing seller where people who devote their working lives and stake their reputations on judging such things are making the judgements?

If you can show us a list of players who have ever traded for as much or more, I would also be much obliged to you. Because I am pretty sure clubs feel they want and ned players from other clubs all the time....

The value of anyone or anything is what someone is willing to give up for them. The do you think Tim Kelly is worth two first rounders and two second rounders, plus a couple of absolute bottom Enders that the eagles received right at the end?

 

[Meteoric Rise]

The value of anyone or anything is what someone is willing to give up for them. The do you think Tim Kelly is worth two first rounders and two second rounders, plus a couple of absolute bottom Enders that the eagles received right at the end?

When Tim Kelly was traded it was for approximately the same value in draft picks that Bolton has just been traded for and at a similar age.

Eagles did not pay that believing Kelly was a B grader after the 2019 season & finals series he had. But Kelly was a case of a willing buyer and an unwilling seller, which inflated his price a bit. It was also the case he was traded for draft picks in drafts that weren't as highly valued as the draft the picks Freo gave up pertained to.

The bolded statment is absolutely true. But it helps my case, not yours, that a club was prepared to give up that much for Bolton. Because clubs never give up that much for exposed players they believe are B Graders. Or maybe you can think of examples....

 

[Mr Meow]

MR melting down because 98% of neutrals are mocking his most pathetic delusions about Richmond players? Just another day on BigFooty.

 

[Fadge]

MR melting down because 98% of neutrals are mocking his most pathetic delusions about Richmond players? Just another day on BigFooty.

Waiting for his cases for Taranto, Hopper and Balta...

 

[Meteoric Rise]

MR melting down because 98% of neutrals are mocking his most pathetic delusions about Richmond players? Just another day on BigFooty.

Meow trying to turn everything I post into a huge melodrama. But nobody is buying it...bar the usual suspects, lol.

 

[Noidnadroj]

That doesn’t make him one of the 30 best players in the comp, does it.

Nick Larkey has kicked/assisted 174 goals in less games (yes he’s not a midfielder) in a team who has been even worse over that period and he’s not in the list, is he.

Who said Bolton isn’t elite?

I haven’t.

Depends on our definitions I guess. A-grader … Elite….

IMO small forward is the hardest position on the ground to play bar none. When your team is sh*te it’s a graveyard most weeks.

With his ability to play midfield, Bolton is arguably the best in the competition in that role and if you have no peer in a goal scoring position that makes you an A-grader.

But if any list is based on 2024 then I agree he didn’t have an A-grade season in 2024. But he did in 2022 and 2023, and he’s 26yo.


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[tropicaltiger]

Sam McClure and Kane Cornes are just basically trying to out flog each other

 

[RonnieRaven]

https://archive.sen.com.au/news/2024/02/18/richmond-star-capable-of-becoming-best-player-in-the-game-in-2024

They chop and change all the time
Conesy going from could be best player in the game (won tiges goal kicking in 2024) to Bolton not an A grader in 12 months.
Brayshaw had a better year in 24(5th in the league for score involves ) than 22 when he won the MVP
But he is not A grade.
These bullshit list are just that.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Sam McClure and Kane Cornes are just basically trying to out flog each other

And, remarkably, both succeeding.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

https://archive.sen.com.au/news/2024/02/18/richmond-star-capable-of-becoming-best-player-in-the-game-in-2024

They chop and change all the time
Conesy going from could be best player in the game (won tiges goal kicking in 2024) to Bolton not an A grader in 12 months.
Brayshaw had a better year in 24(5th in the league for score involves ) than 22 when he won the MVP
But he is not A grade.
These bullshit list are just that.

But here you get the added bonus of Fadge adding an extra layer of bullshit.

 

[Obeanie1]

As a general comment, Macclure not having Sicily, Heeney and Hogan as A-graders, but having Tex, Danger and Oliver makes his list absolutely laughable.

This means his list doesn’t take into account what happened last season, and doesn’t take into account what’s likely to happen this season.

So WTF is his list actually all about?


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These lists are all about click bait.

They always throw in a couple of silly choices to land clicks and reactions.

Doesn't matter who does the lists either.

 

[Pleasedontfail11]

So let me get this right. If you are traded for a high draft pick you are an A grader or if you have a massive contract you are an A grader.

Guess we need to add Lachie Weller and Ben McKay to the list.

The lack of logical thinking and constant spam from the usual Richmond nuffy is lowering everyone's IQ.

 

[The 747]

Not anywhere on this thread or anywhere else have I said Richmond have any A graders, or top 30 AFL players on their list in 2025. You have been thrown by the mass hysteria from the usual suspects any time I post on the main board. Watch for it in future, it is pretty amusing.

Your posts get the respect they deserve.

 

[Fadge]

A lot of posters being critical of lists being provided, without offering up their own lists and merely dropping the odd name here and there....

My favourite is Meteoric Rise putting forward Tom Lynch's name. Lynch is a great bloke, and has been a fantastic footballer, but after playing just 8 games in the last two seasons, there are 200 players currently on AFL lists who are more likely to put forward an A Grade season in 2025 than Tom Lynch as part of possibly the worst AFL squad we have seen in a long, long time.

 

[Fadge]

Not anywhere on this thread or anywhere else have I said Richmond have any A graders, or top 30 AFL players on their list in 2025. You have been thrown by the mass hysteria from the usual suspects any time I post on the main board. Watch for it in future, it is pretty amusing.

When did Lynch leave Richmond?

..... That is different from being in the top 30 payers in the game, but based on the best form displayed by all current players over the last 3 seasons, Lynch & Bolton are comfortably in the top 30. You don't need that to be untrue for a team missing 350 odd games from their list to sink to winning two games.

 

[Fadge]

https://archive.sen.com.au/news/2024/02/18/richmond-star-capable-of-becoming-best-player-in-the-game-in-2024

They chop and change all the time
Conesy going from could be best player in the game (won tiges goal kicking in 2024) to Bolton not an A grader in 12 months.
Brayshaw had a better year in 24(5th in the league for score involves ) than 22 when he won the MVP
But he is not A grade.
These bullshit list are just that.

Opinions change with the variation of form in players. Here is what Cornes said:



So three years ago, he had an AA, top 10 player in the competition season.

Cornes said Bolton's 2023 was less impactful, and clearly he regressed further in 2024 with a 26 coaches vote season (dropping from 57 and 56 in 2022 and 2023 respectively).

So based on that, it's more than reasonable that he has dropped out of the competition's top 30 players in Cornes' (and many others) eyes.

Josh Daicos, for example, regressed from a 52 coaches vote best and fairest winning season in a premiership side in 2023, to 27 coaches votes and third in his club's best and fairest in 2024 - and noone is pushing his case for this list.

Brodie Grundy is another example. He went from back to back AA's and club best and fairests in a team that contended for the premiership in 2018 and 2019, when he was viewed as one of the most valuable players in the game. For whatever reason, his output reduced significantly, and he hasn't been rated in the best 100 players in the game since then.

 

[Blackhawk42]

Show me a proven player who traded for the value of pick 2 who wasn't considered an A Grader.

Lachie Weller?