Kruezer v Luenberger

[parrot]

Luenberger will be a better ruck technician. but Kruezer has a lot more natural talent, and would beat him at ground level, and around the ground easily. Kruezer has the endurance and speed of a small, fast midfielder, and has a lot more versatility. Can play ruck, wing, or KP forward/utility. A freak athlete. Would have gone #2 in last years draft, behind Gibbs. With Hampson, Aisake, and Kruezer, the Blues have without question, the most raw ruck talent in the AFL. All 3 are freak athletes. 200-202cm rucks with serious leg speed. This is the new generation ruck talent, that make rucks like Cox look like dinosaurs.

 

[smiddaz123]

Luenberger will be a better ruck technician. but Kruezer has a lot more natural talent, and would beat him at ground level, and around the ground easily. Kruezer has the endurance and speed of a small, fast midfielder, and has a lot more versatility. Can play ruck, wing, or KP forward/utility. A freak athlete. Would have gone #2 in last years draft, behind Gibbs. With Hampson, Aisake, and Kruezer, the Blues have without question, the most raw ruck talent in the AFL. All 3 are freak athletes. 200-202cm rucks with serious leg speed. This is the new generation ruck talent, that make rucks like Cox look like dinosaurs.

Luenberger is the fastest Brisbane player over 20 metres. He is a superb athlete.

Kruezer would've gone probably picks 6-13 in the 2006 draft.

 

[parrot]

Luenberger is the fastest Brisbane player over 20 metres. He is a superb athlete.

Kruezer would've gone probably picks 6-13 in the 2006 draft.

Kruezer would have gone #2 in 2006. You'll find Kruezer, Hampson, and Aisake are quicker over 20m.

 

[smiddaz123]

Kruezer would have gone #2 in 2006. You'll find Kruezer, Hampson, and Aisake are quicker over 20m.

Kruezer wouldn't have gone #2 because Essendon didn't want to draft a ruckman. They wanted a KP player, ditto Kangaroos. Brisbane would've taken Luenberger still. Kruezer would've been pick 5 at best.

 

[Palmer Stoat]

Kruezer would have gone #2 in 2006. You'll find Kruezer, Hampson, and Aisake are quicker over 20m.

As Ace Ventura would say, 'Fiction is fun, but I prefer the reference section'.

 

[Kaladin Stormblessed]

Not saying Kreuzer is already/will be better by any stretch of the imagination, but I reckon a lot of you blokes have either seriously underrated him or overrated Leunberger.

It is much closer than this poll or responses in this thread suggest

 

[parrot]

Kruezer has already shown more in one game. Luenberger might end up being better at the centre bounce, but Kruezer is light years ahead when the ball hits the ground. Kruezer's ability at ground level is just off the scale.

 

[murph#3]

there's 2 reasons why leunberger is leading this poll:

1- leunberger has the same body as dean cox and people get sucked in and think he's going to be as good as cox just because their bodies are so similar. on the flipside, people look at kreuzer and compare his body with josh fraser's body. because josh fraser is a useless, gutless hack people assume kreuzer will be the same. people who think like this are doing it subconsciously but they'll find out in a few years time just who is better. the fact is this is kreuzer vs leunberger not fraser vs cox.

2- everyone that doesn't go for carlton is voting for leunberger just so carlton doesn't get anything good. the same would happen if it were an essendon or collingwood player up against anyone else. this is how the small victorian clubs who are a waste of space in our competition get their revenge.


kreuzer has shown more in one game than leunberger has in his whole career. he got more disposals in his first game than leunberger ever has in his afl career. prior to birsbane's last game, leunberger's highest hit out tally was 12 which is equal to what kreuzer got in his first game in a team which had 3 ruckmen and he only spent about half his time in the ruck. it took 2 quarters for kreuzer to equal the amount of goals leunberger has kicked in his whole afl career. any unbiased, rational supporter should be able to realise by now kreuzer is far superior to leunberger around the ground and is not far behind in the ruckwork. the only thing leunberger has over kreuzer is 4 cm, and a quicker 20m sprint time. kreuzer makes up for it all with his football smarts, mobility, clean hands, kicking, decision making, endurace, versatility, effort and one-percenters.

 

[gandaal]

http://www.pro-stats.com.au/psw/web/compare_players?tid1=103&pid1=2008001&tid2=102&pid2=2007015

 

[SunKing]

I think the poll has it about right.

Leuenberger is a once in a generation player who could be better then Cox while Kruezer could be the next Josh Fraser. And I'm sure Fraser had a better debut then Cox but look have they've progressed.

Leuenberger will be the comps dominant ruckman in a few years of this I have no doubt.

 

[Hollow Knight]

http://www.pro-stats.com.au/psw/web/compare_players?tid1=103&pid1=2008001&tid2=102&pid2=2007015

Find some stats for time on ground, then get back to us.

 

[parrot]

Kruezer's impressive debut has really got the anti-Carlton talent envy cohort upset it seems. Too bad.

 

[Hollow Knight]

Kruezer's impressive debut has really got the anti-Carlton talent envy cohort upset it seems. Too bad.

We're terribly envious of the talent that has you at 0-3... all against teams that didn't play finals last year.

 

[gandaal]

Find some stats for time on ground, then get back to us.

It's not Kreuzer's fault he's more versitile than Leuenburger and can play just as well as a forward while Leuenburger can't do much else and has to be benched.

 

[Hollow Knight]

It's not Kreuzer's fault he's more versitile than Leuenburger and can play just as well as a forward while Leuenburger can't do much else and has to be benched.

Credibility lost.

 

[gandaal]

Credibility lost.

How many goals has Leuenburger kicked in his career?

 

[Hollow Knight]

How many goals has Leuenburger kicked in his career?

1.

How many talented ruckmen has Kreuzer played against...

0.

How many wins has Leuenberger played in.

6.

Numbers, numbers, numbers.

You can pore over stats sheets and drool over your 'talented' list all like.

But until you start winning games, its just numbers and names.

 

[chump]

1.

How many talented ruckmen has Kreuzer played against...

0.

How many wins has Leuenberger played in.

6.

Numbers, numbers, numbers.

You can pore over stats sheets and drool over your 'talented' list all like.

But until you start winning games, its just numbers and names.

It is funny how your defending of Luenberger always comes back to how many games we have won.

Why is that?

Those numbers you are telling us are irrelevant, the ones we are telling you are not.

 

[Hollow Knight]

Those numbers you are telling us are irrelevant, the ones we are telling you are not.

Oh dear, it seems you've missed the point.

 

[chump]

Oh dear, it seems you've missed the point.

Apparently it is you that has missed the point.

Here we are discussing how much better Kruezer's first game was than any of Berger's games; and all you can talk about is how carlton are 0-3.

 

[parrot]

Oh dear, it seems you've missed the point.

Early days I know, but Luenberger is looking like a Peter Street type at this stage i.e. a tall bean-pole, good at the centre bounce, but a liability elsewhere.

 

[smiddaz123]

I reckon even I could out-perform Laycock around the ground.

The Bomber ruck department isn't exactly formidable. Luenberger held his own against Everitt and Jolly in hia first year.

Luenberger has my vote at the moment, but obviously Kruezer can change it if he continues to perform.

 

[Philhawk]

Didn't Leuenberger ruck against Dean Cox on debut, leading to a win for Brisbane against West Coast at Subiaco?

Yeh, i'll take that before Kreuzer beating a second-string ruckman for Essendon.

 

[chump]

Didn't Leuenberger ruck against Dean Cox on debut, leading to a win for Brisbane against West Coast at Subiaco?

Yeh, i'll take that before Kreuzer beating a second-string ruckman for Essendon.

A game where he amassed 3 disposals and 4 hitouts. Hardly inspiring stats.

I'm sorry that I keep repeating myself on this topic. I'm just trying to debunk this mythical reputation Leuenberger has developed. He hasn't earnt it yet.

FWIW I think he will be an awesome player, but at this point in time; after one game. Kruezer has him beat.

 

[marcmurphy3]

Didn't Leuenberger ruck against Dean Cox on debut, leading to a win for Brisbane against West Coast at Subiaco?

Yeh, i'll take that before Kreuzer beating a second-string ruckman for Essendon.

He got 3 hitouts. . How can that be a better debut better than 16 possesions, 2 goals and 12 hitouts?

Is a better performance than I've seen from Berger in his career so far but he needs to back it up now. Will be interesting to see how he goes against his hero this week.

I think it's far far to early to judge who will be better but point is that I think all those people who decided that Berger >>>>>>> Kreuzer before he had even played a game should have rethink.