Kruezer v Luenberger

[parrot]

Didn't Leuenberger ruck against Dean Co...

So did he play against Dean Cox in every game? If you're going to try to fabricate some excuses at least put in a little more intellectual effort than that. lol So funny watching to bitter anti-Carlton cohort try to explain away Kruezers great debut. Huge laughes.

 

[Mr Unrealistic]

luenberger

 

[Hollow Knight]

Early days I know, but Luenberger is looking like a Peter Street type at this stage i.e. a tall bean-pole, good at the centre bounce, but a liability elsewhere.

Then quite simply, you haven't seen him play.

 

[Cousin Jed]

Early days I know, but Luenberger is looking like a Peter Street type at this stage i.e. a tall bean-pole, good at the centre bounce, but a liability elsewhere.

Looks like I found my signature for when my BFSC kicks in

 

[lionbear]

A game where he amassed 3 disposals and 4 hitouts. Hardly inspiring stats.

I'm sorry that I keep repeating myself on this topic. I'm just trying to debunk this mythical reputation Leuenberger has developed. He hasn't earnt it yet.

FWIW I think he will be an awesome player, but at this point in time; after one game. Kruezer has him beat.

Thats it one game. Lets see how he goes after a few games before we put a Rising Star and Brownlow around his neck.

I can see he is very exciting, but lets not compare two guys who are yet to play 22 games.

Luenberger is going to be a star and so is Kruezer, who is better? No way known you could answer that for a minimum of fifty games let alone one.

 

[Catstar]

Great start by Kruezer, but it is really early days for him to be compared against anyone - sure, his debut was outstanding, but let us see how he goes against some of the best - eg Dean Cox.

Luenberger is a proven player now and will only get better - I'd prefer to wait to see how they play against one another before passing judgement.

 

[one_twelve112]

Great start by Kruezer, but it is really early days for him to be compared against anyone - sure, his debut was outstanding, but let us see how he goes against some of the best - eg Dean Cox.

Luenberger is a proven player now and will only get better - I'd prefer to wait to see how they play against one another before passing judgement.

Hardly.

Kreuzer's debut was outstanding, however it would be foolish to hang our hats on the one performance. I would suggest that a poll at the end of the year of Kreuzer 1st year v Leunbergers 1st year may bring things into a little more perspective. I must say, I am more than happy with Kreuzer's early signs though and will be interested to see how he developes.

 

[Wizard]

In 5 year this thread will be Kruezer v Luenberger v Warnock with the title saying "Who is the AFL's bext ruckman".

 

[Souup]

Early days I know, but Luenberger is looking like a Peter Street type at this stage i.e. a tall bean-pole, good at the centre bounce, but a liability elsewhere.

You have less of a clue then i thought

 

[Daytripper]

Kreuzer broke even with Laycock and Hille monstered him with one good shoulder.

I know Blues fans have to hold on to something but you think they would have learned by now.

I swear I've seen similar posts from Carlton supporters days after Murphy and Gibbs made their debuts and whats happened since then ????????????????

And when they get another top 1 pick next year we will be seeing the same stuff again with Natainui or Rich or whoever.

 

[Heisenberg_]

there's 2 reasons why leunberger is leading this poll:

1- leunberger has the same body as dean cox and people get sucked in and think he's going to be as good as cox just because their bodies are so similar. on the flipside, people look at kreuzer and compare his body with josh fraser's body. because josh fraser is a useless, gutless hack people assume kreuzer will be the same. people who think like this are doing it subconsciously but they'll find out in a few years time just who is better. the fact is this is kreuzer vs leunberger not fraser vs cox.

2- everyone that doesn't go for carlton is voting for leunberger just so carlton doesn't get anything good. the same would happen if it were an essendon or collingwood player up against anyone else. this is how the small victorian clubs who are a waste of space in our competition get their revenge.


kreuzer has shown more in one game than leunberger has in his whole career. he got more disposals in his first game than leunberger ever has in his afl career. prior to birsbane's last game, leunberger's highest hit out tally was 12 which is equal to what kreuzer got in his first game in a team which had 3 ruckmen and he only spent about half his time in the ruck. it took 2 quarters for kreuzer to equal the amount of goals leunberger has kicked in his whole afl career. any unbiased, rational supporter should be able to realise by now kreuzer is far superior to leunberger around the ground and is not far behind in the ruckwork. the only thing leunberger has over kreuzer is 4 cm, and a quicker 20m sprint time. kreuzer makes up for it all with his football smarts, mobility, clean hands, kicking, decision making, endurace, versatility, effort and one-percenters.

Settle down princess.
The only reason Luenberger is getting more votes is because he is simpley a much better prospect.
End of story

 

[Silvagnis]

Settle down princess.
The only reason Luenberger is getting more votes is because he is simpley a much better prospect.
End of story

Don't care.

Kreuzer and Hampson will be the best ruck duo in the AFL for the next ten years.

Not many sides have a 6'8" ruck with similar agility but a bigger leap and more legspeed sitting on the bench.

Tigers will have Putt and Pattison.

 

[gandaal]

Settle down princess.
The only reason Luenberger is getting more votes is because he is simpley a much better prospect.End of story

What makes you feel comfortably saying that?

Is it the fact that the only matchup between the two resulted in Kreuzer handing Leuenburger a spanking in the ruck and around the ground?

Or that Burger was picked up with pick 5 and Kruezer with pick 1?

Or that Kruezer after 1 game already has a better average stats than Leuenburger?

So which is it fool?

Truth be known both are great prospects and nobody can know which one will end up better. But I'm pretty sure both clubs will be very happy with their selections at the minute.

 

[murph#3]

Clearly you are an idiot that is trying to make up facts off the top of ur head Leunberger had 21 hit outs and 12 or 13 possesions on the same weekend that kreuzer played his first game. So get your facts right mate.

Also Leunbergers kicking would be equal if not better than kreuzers, He (kreuzer) did very well in his first game but it was a very forward running unnacountable game of football.

clearly you have difficulty reading what i wrote. if you have another look you'll notice i said prior to brisbane's last game.

and you're dreaming if you think leunberger's kicking is anywhere near as good as kreuzer's.

 

[eagledream]

Judging the two is ridiculous. As noted, the carltank game against essendon was an extremely unnaccountable contest.. 134 points conceded by Carlton is evidence of that so the fact that Kreuzer got a bit of the ball doesn't surprise me. I was impressed with his debut and i think the battle between the two will rage on for a bit yet. One good game doesn't make a career. Compare the two at the seasons end.

 

[parrot]

It doesn't matter. He didn't watch the game.

No I didn't. I assume he played a good one at last. Still didn't kick any goals (i.e. 2 less than Kruezer), and less possessions than Kruezer, but I guess that's a start.

 

[HBK619]

No I didn't. I assume he played a good one at last. Still didn't kick any goals (i.e. 2 less than Kruezer), and less possessions than Kruezer, but I guess that's a start.

He also did it against the second best ruckman in the league, not only that he did it against a dual All Australian, what has David Hille acheived?

 

[Merv]

Thread cleaned up and off topic rubbish/abuse deleted.

Back on topic!!!

 

[eagledream]

Did anyone watch last nights game Port V Lions?? For a bloke who basically rucked the entire game against arguably the comps best ruck duo and compete as well as Leuy did, for the entire game is mighty impressive. Kid will be an absolute superstar, not saying that Kreuzer wont be boy was i impressed last night.

 

[Warwick]

Did anyone watch last nights game Port V Lions?? For a bloke who basically rucked the entire game against arguably the comps best ruck duo and compete as well as Leuy did, for the entire game is mighty impressive. Kid will be an absolute superstar, not saying that Kreuzer wont be boy was i impressed last night.

Wasn't the first time either.

Had to compete on his own against Jolly and Everitt last year and did it magnificantly. He got Brownlow votes that game.

 

[Hollow Knight]

<3 Leuey.

Had to compete on his own against Jolly and Everitt last year and did it magnificantly. He got Brownlow votes that game.

But... but.... but... according to Bigfooty brains trust groupthink, Leuey hadnt shown anything before last night....

 

[FFB1]

62 - 14 to Berger. I'd say thats almost in the bag.

Cox is the best ruckman in the league - Berger is compared to him. Cameron Wood, in his 3rd year at the club, had to take the 3rd ruck position, behind a 1st year player..

Fraser is the number one ruck in a side that needs (or needed) to recruit a ruckman - Kreuzer is compared to him.

Join the dots.

It would be interesting what non-Lions and non-Carlton supporters thought. Hold on, anyone who picks Berger is doing so as a hatred towards Carlton.

Since a couple of you are interested in stats I'm sure you've checked out this weeks:

Berger - 22 HO against the best ruck duo in the league, 14 possies, 95 Supercoach points (meaning he played a quality game)

Kreuzer - 8 HO against the Pies attack of Fraser (pft) and Wood (3rd ruck at brisbane), 7 posessions, 39 supercoach points (ouch)

AND dont start that 'time on the ground either' because it was clear from one of the earlier posts that that is not to be taken into account..

Great win today by the way, great way to shove it up Rocca..

Berger

 

[Jono B]

62 - 14 to Berger. I'd say thats almost in the bag.

Cox is the best ruckman in the league - Berger is compared to him. Cameron Wood, in his 3rd year at the club, had to take the 3rd ruck position, behind a 1st year player..

Fraser is the number one ruck in a side that needs (or needed) to recruit a ruckman - Kreuzer is compared to him.

Join the dots.

It would be interesting what non-Lions and non-Carlton supporters thought. Hold on, anyone who picks Berger is doing so as a hatred towards Carlton.

Since a couple of you are interested in stats I'm sure you've checked out this weeks:

Berger - 22 HO against the best ruck duo in the league, 14 possies, 95 Supercoach points (meaning he played a quality game)

Kreuzer - 8 HO against the Pies attack of Fraser (pft) and Wood (3rd ruck at brisbane), 7 posessions, 39 supercoach points (ouch)

AND dont start that 'time on the ground either' because it was clear from one of the earlier posts that that is not to be taken into account..

Great win today by the way, great way to shove it up Rocca..

Berger

It is not a very fair to compare a first year ruckman directly to a second year ruckman based on one game. Discussions of Kruezer being another Fraser is more of a worst case scenario for Kreuzer than anything else.

Personally I don't see Kreuzer developing into a Cox type extra midfielder but instead I see him as a ruckman that can potentially kick 30-40 goals per year as he can play as an additional KP forward when he is not rucking.

 

[MeeSo]

Both will be elite. Different styles of ruckmen though.

Hampson and Leuenberger are probably a better comparison.

 

[Heisenberg_]

It is not a very fair to compare a first year ruckman directly to a second year ruckman based on one game. Discussions of Kruezer being another Fraser is more of a worst case scenario for Kreuzer than anything else.

Personally I don't see Kreuzer developing into a Cox type extra midfielder but instead I see him as a ruckman that can potentially kick 30-40 goals per year as he can play as an additional KP forward when he is not rucking.

30-40 goals a season.
Dreaming, 20 goals a season would be a fairly good return around 1 goal a match