Lets talk about... Clay Smith

[Dry Rot]

As someone who was at the 2016 Giants PF game in Sydney and saw Smith's mighty exploits right in front of me, I find this thread silly and offensive.

 

[Arkangel]

Why Clay Smith’s surname is anyone’s business but his own is beyond me. In any case, it’s just a name, and as Shakespeare would have said, “Whether his name’s Smith or not, AFL.com.au is reporting he’s dominating the pre-season running, so who cares what he’s bloody called?”

 

[Mattdougie]

Why Clay Smith’s surname is anyone’s business but his own is beyond me. In any case, it’s just a name, and as Shakespeare would have said, “Whether his name’s Smith or not, AFL.com.au is reporting he’s dominating the pre-season running, so who cares what he’s bloody called?”

I agree and wonder if it is his real name or he won it in a chook raffle? Or perhaps picked it out of a hat?

Regardless it’s his moniker and I love the way he goes about it

 

[Mr. Walker]

I agree and wonder if it is his real name or he won it in a chook raffle? Or perhaps picked it out of a hat?

Regardless it’s his moniker and I love the way he goes about it

I had a mate once who picked his name out of a hat. That reminds me i haven't seen old Akubra for years.

 

[VitalDread]

Feel like Clay could be a very important player for us this year.
If he regain his fitness and hungry, he could easily be one of our deadliest forward
His work around the packs is great and if he contest marks like picken
He will be a tough match up

 

[ab_83]

As someone who was at the 2016 Giants PF game in Sydney and saw Smith's mighty exploits right in front of me, I find this thread silly and offensive.

That 50/50 contest!!! Historic Bulldogs moment

 

[Hard Ball Get]

You could always go the way of my cousin... Not that I think it's a good idea.
They've combined their surnames, first half of his name and the end of hers. Effectively they've done the whole Brangalina thing but made it permanent.

 

[King Harold]

Feel like Clay could be a very important player for us this year.
If he regain his fitness and hungry, he could easily be one of our deadliest forward
His work around the packs is great and if he contest marks like picken
He will be a tough match up

Just hoping his career is not derailed by other things .
Much loved by me and had a finals series that is now etched in the clubs history.

 

[BRWB]

They just each choose one end of the hyphenation, not extend it.

That doesnt change the fact that hyphenated names look stupid. Both partners should just keep their surname ffs. Easy solution.

With kids, my wife and I have agreed that if we have a boy it gets her surname, and if we have a get a girl it gets mine (with any subsequent offspring having the surname given to their sibling).

As long as its legal how about peope just do what they want with their names?

I honestly don't understand the need to tell people what they 'should' do.

Good on Clay.

 

[BEaston]

You could always go the way of my cousin... Not that I think it's a good idea.
They've combined their surnames, first half of his name and the end of hers. Effectively they've done the whole Brangalina thing but made it permanent.

Haha amazing

 

[gangsta deluxe]

As long as its legal how about peope just do what they want with their names?

I honestly don't understand the need to tell people what they 'should' do.

Good on Clay.

Agreed - my criticism was simply aesthetic. In the end, people should do whatever the hell the want (even though I do have my personal view on this!).

I had some friends who made up their surname when they got married. If they went the hyphenation their surname could have been 'Harrison-Ford'... One of the few times where it would have been an excellent choice!

 

[BRWB]

Agreed - my criticism was simply aesthetic. In the end, people should do whatever the hell the want (even though I do have my personal view on this!).

I had some friends who made up their surname when they got married. If they went the hyphenation their surname could have been 'Harrison-Ford'... One of the few times where it would have been an excellent choice!

IMO hypenating is just passing problems on to the kids. But.in the age of Trump thats a good thing...

 

[BEaston]

A timely article just popped up. A couple of the quotes sound vaguely familiar.

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http://www.theage.com.au/lifestyle/...taking-his-wifes-surname-20180114-h0i6zv.html

When Sydney-sider Grant Phillips announced on Facebook that he'd changed his name to his wife's after they got married he wasn't expecting to be turned into an international news headline.

Phillips had thought he was just making a fairly innocuous status update to let his friends know that it was still him, but it prompted a flurry of media attention across the globe, from Ireland to the United States.

And an avalanche of abuse by strangers wishing his violent death.

"Go kill yourself", wrote one man to Phillips.

Another man was more specific about his hopes for his death. "I hope you and your whore die in a car crash so that your genes don't continue".
Others wished infertility on him and his wife. "I hope your wife can't have kids, that'll be god's way of punishing you".

Phillips and his wife had not planned to make a political statement with their name change decision.

"My wife has no male cousins and is the last in her family's lineage with the name of Phillips, so it would die out after her", said Phillips via email. "I was completely taken by surprise that in 2017 this was something that was making noise".

People like to pretend that the decision to change your name after marriage is a purely personal choice — no more controversial than, say, the decision to get married in Summer or Spring or in a church or a garden.

But this is only the case if couples make the conventional "choice" and the woman changes her name.

Even if women make the "free" and "personal" choice not to take their husband's name after marriage, research tells us that this decision affects the couple's perceived status, with people assuming that the man is weak and the woman is a ball-breaker.

If, like Grant Phillips and his wife, couples subvert the convention even further with the man taking the woman's name, well then they better bunker down for the brutal backlash.

Why would these men — and yes all the abusive messages sent to Phillips were written by men — take time out of their day, and waste the keystrokes and the blood vessels abusing someone they don't know for doing something that doesn't affect them?

Because to men who cling to the ideals of toxic masculinity, Phillips decision is a direct attack on their identity as a man. It represents nothing less than an existential threat to the men who have built their identity and self-worth on their relative dominance over women.

Names hold power and when Phillips took his wife's name he was relinquishing a slice of traditional male power.

Why else would the men ask questions like: "Do you get your period too mate?" and conclude: "Even your Facebook is feminine".

Men who have been inculcated into a culture of toxic masculinity need to regularly top up their King Dick Metre, which can only be fuelled by the disempowerment of someone else. And that someone else is very often a woman.

Their feelings of strength only come when someone else is in a position of weakness. They can only feel valid when they are able to invalidate someone else. They only feel like they have won when someone else has lost.

That domination can take many forms, from domestic violence, financial abuse, sexual harassment, the gender pay gap, and yes, the insistence that wives must take their husband's names.

The good news is that there is a growing number of men who, like Phillips, have rejected the rules of toxic masculinity. They realise that strength isn't defined by or dependent on dominating others. And they know that taking your wife's surname can be a form of self-assertion rather than weakness.

If nothing else, the backlash that Phillips experienced in response to his decision is a sign that toxic masculinity is under attack. After all, if our current idea of masculinity is so fragile that it is threatened by what someone else choose to call themselves, then hopefully it won't be long before the whole thing crumbles under its own toxic mass.

 

[RedWhite&Blue]

That 50/50 contest!!! Historic Bulldogs moment
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Greatest AFL game ever - every Bulldogs player that took the field that day is a legend in my books

 

[Hoges64]

A timely article just popped up. A couple of the quotes sound vaguely familiar.

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http://www.theage.com.au/lifestyle/...taking-his-wifes-surname-20180114-h0i6zv.html

When Sydney-sider Grant Phillips announced on Facebook that he'd changed his name to his wife's after they got married he wasn't expecting to be turned into an international news headline.

Phillips had thought he was just making a fairly innocuous status update to let his friends know that it was still him, but it prompted a flurry of media attention across the globe, from Ireland to the United States.

And an avalanche of abuse by strangers wishing his violent death.

"Go kill yourself", wrote one man to Phillips.

Another man was more specific about his hopes for his death. "I hope you and your whore die in a car crash so that your genes don't continue".
Others wished infertility on him and his wife. "I hope your wife can't have kids, that'll be god's way of punishing you".

Phillips and his wife had not planned to make a political statement with their name change decision.

"My wife has no male cousins and is the last in her family's lineage with the name of Phillips, so it would die out after her", said Phillips via email. "I was completely taken by surprise that in 2017 this was something that was making noise".

People like to pretend that the decision to change your name after marriage is a purely personal choice — no more controversial than, say, the decision to get married in Summer or Spring or in a church or a garden.

But this is only the case if couples make the conventional "choice" and the woman changes her name.

Even if women make the "free" and "personal" choice not to take their husband's name after marriage, research tells us that this decision affects the couple's perceived status, with people assuming that the man is weak and the woman is a ball-breaker.

If, like Grant Phillips and his wife, couples subvert the convention even further with the man taking the woman's name, well then they better bunker down for the brutal backlash.

Why would these men — and yes all the abusive messages sent to Phillips were written by men — take time out of their day, and waste the keystrokes and the blood vessels abusing someone they don't know for doing something that doesn't affect them?

Because to men who cling to the ideals of toxic masculinity, Phillips decision is a direct attack on their identity as a man. It represents nothing less than an existential threat to the men who have built their identity and self-worth on their relative dominance over women.

Names hold power and when Phillips took his wife's name he was relinquishing a slice of traditional male power.

Why else would the men ask questions like: "Do you get your period too mate?" and conclude: "Even your Facebook is feminine".

Men who have been inculcated into a culture of toxic masculinity need to regularly top up their King Dick Metre, which can only be fuelled by the disempowerment of someone else. And that someone else is very often a woman.

Their feelings of strength only come when someone else is in a position of weakness. They can only feel valid when they are able to invalidate someone else. They only feel like they have won when someone else has lost.

That domination can take many forms, from domestic violence, financial abuse, sexual harassment, the gender pay gap, and yes, the insistence that wives must take their husband's names.

The good news is that there is a growing number of men who, like Phillips, have rejected the rules of toxic masculinity. They realise that strength isn't defined by or dependent on dominating others. And they know that taking your wife's surname can be a form of self-assertion rather than weakness.

If nothing else, the backlash that Phillips experienced in response to his decision is a sign that toxic masculinity is under attack. After all, if our current idea of masculinity is so fragile that it is threatened by what someone else choose to call themselves, then hopefully it won't be long before the whole thing crumbles under its own toxic mass.

That article is beyond comprehension. What ******* world are we living in that a bloke doing that gets those sort of comments!?!?

 

[gangsta deluxe]

Even if women make the "free" and "personal" choice not to take their husband's name after marriage, research tells us that this decision affects the couple's perceived status, with people assuming that the man is weak and the woman is a ball-breaker.

At least I can add my own opinion I don’t have to ask someone else for permission

Look, MD fits the classic profile! What a lemming.

 

[Hard Ball Get]

Look, MD fits the classic profile! What a lemming.

Interestingly, I was listening to a 99% Invisible podcast and lemming behaviour isn't as many people (MD included) think.

They don't commit mass suicide and just mindlessly follow each other. The footage which caused the belief was orchestrated for a documentary.

 

[BEaston]

haha amazing.

 

[Dogs_r_barking]

That article is beyond comprehension. What ******* world are we living in that a bloke doing that gets those sort of comments!?!?

Usually right wingers, they skip the opinion/discussion side and go straight to death threats and abuse

 

[Leviticus]

That article is beyond comprehension. What ******* world are we living in that a bloke doing that gets those sort of comments!?!?

Welcome to the Internet. campaigner of a place.

 

[MJayC]

You could always go the way of my cousin... Not that I think it's a good idea.
They've combined their surnames, first half of his name and the end of hers. Effectively they've done the whole Brangalina thing but made it permanent.

I've done this. My wife and I combined surnames. Its work out well for us. I wouldn't change back either.

 

[BEaston]

I've done this. My wife and I combined surnames. Its work out well for us. I wouldn't change back either.

It's certainly the most innovative solution I've heard of (and not one I had even considered until I read HBG's post). Good on ya for having the guts to take an unconventional route!

 

[Mr. Walker]

It’s an individual or couples decision and people are free to decide as they choose. I was just wondering if for example one of the partners was a descendent of someone noteable , say Don Bradman or Weary Dunlop, would you want to retain the connection to the name completely or only partially retain the connection by going for the combination option. I think I would prefer retention of the name ( subject to my wife’s approval as in most decisions)

 

[Hard Ball Get]

I reckon 90% of couples wouldn't even have the conversation. I know we didn't... Far bigger issues to worry about in the world.

 

[MJayC]

It’s an individual or couples decision and people are free to decide as they choose. I was just wondering if for example one of the partners was a descendent of someone noteable , say Don Bradman or Weary Dunlop, would you want to retain the connection to the name completely or only partially retain the connection by going for the combination option. I think I would prefer retention of the name ( subject to my wife’s approval as in most decisions)

I am not descendent from anyone of note and didn't give phaarrkk what my parents thought. I just told them what I was doing and did it. My wife didn't want a hyphenated name for kids so the solution is obvious. A woman taking a man's name is all about ownership and is a tradition you can embrace or reject. Most people probably don't give it a moments thought when they get married. Its just the done thing. We decided to go another way.