Coach Lions - Has the Fagan era already peaked?

[Freomaniac]

And then we got thrashed the week after to Geelong at the same ground

Who cares. Don't tell me you didn't savour that 2022 finals series.

Got a narrow Elim final win vs Richmond. Then a narrow semi final vs demons at the MCG.

It was better than your 2021 finals games.

 

[scoman]

I like the Lions overall.

I just think Fagan is a dickhead

And I thought that since before the racism stuff.

Im curious as to what this is based on. Guy has been universally loved generally.

 

[WillHayward]

Im curious as to what this is based on. Guy has been universally loved generally.

By who?
Seems he got some good PR from channel 7.

Always strikes me as a total dickhead at press conferences.

Grumpy, crotchety, angry and not very bright.

 

[scoman]

By who?
Seems he got some good PR from channel 7.

Always strikes me as a total dickhead at press conferences.

Grumpy, crotchety, angry and not very bright.

By most I would imagine. I don't think he is a good enough coach to get what we need out of this group, but prior to the Hawthorn drama I wouldn't think he had too many set against him in terms of his character and behavior. I'm inclined to think there is a personal connection here that you won't disclose. Anyway, It doesn't really matter I guess, we all form our opinions of people and often they are completely different.

 

[Gavin Excell]

Same old s**t, Lions aren't beating any Vic side at the G in September, especially not Collingwood.

There's some lions players who go into their shell and frankly give up away from home

 

[My Tilly]

Their midfield can really get exposed. Hawthorn have deliberately been recruiting big bodies mids. They are all 6ft'2+ and apart from Dunkley & Berry (NEAFL standard player), you can out-muscle them.

 

[adammania9]

That's bulls**t. Brisbane won a final at the MCG last season

What’s Melbourne record since 12 months ago? 50% or a touch above? They’re no benchmark. Brisbane are so far off beating a true contender in Melbourne it’s not funny

 

[Nat Fyfe]

Is there a Sack Fagan thread on your board?

You haven't truly made it as a finals side until you've got an active "sack the coach" thread

 

[RichLeMonde]

And there’s more of them.
Tigers 2017 were 1-5 interstate
Any No vic team has that win ratio chances are they’re not playing finals

Richmond we’re actually 4-2 interstate in 2017.

They lost to Adelaide and GWS away and beat Fremantle, Port, GC and Brisbane away.

Or is that #V#VICBIAS

 

[campbell]

Their midfield can really get exposed. Hawthorn have deliberately been recruiting big bodies mids. They are all 6ft'2+ and apart from Dunkley & Berry (NEAFL standard player), you can out-muscle them.

Berry has a stuffed shoulder.imo this is his last season.

 

[campbell]

Imo Fagans head is in the Hawthorn mess, not fully focused on the Lions.

Imo the whole coaching panel need to be held accountable.

Seriously, it is not acceptable to be exposed as mentally fragile as we are.

No white line fever, win at all costs, find a way stuff.

Pathetic.

 

[Giant Pete]

Geez they love to smash a weaker side though.

 

[fnerd]

Said it before say it again absolute frauds on the big stage
Will get exposed come finals time nothing surer.
Elixuh thoughts?

 

[Elixuh]

Said it before say it again absolute frauds on the big stage
Will get exposed come finals time nothing surer.
Elixuh thoughts?

As I said, the MCG was just too good yesterday. Credit to it.

I do like that your definition of the big stage is against 16th on the ladder at 145pm on a Saturday. Is that the Freo definition of big stage? When ya'll win a flag you'll realise there are bigger stages out there!

 

[parsons nose]

Get him out. Please just sack him.

To be fair, no-one would’ve beaten Hawthorn yesterday

 

[fnerd]

As I said, the MCG was just too good yesterday. Credit to it.

I do like that your definition of the big stage is against 16th on the ladder at 145pm on a Saturday. Is that the Freo definition of big stage? When ya'll win a flag you'll realise there are bigger stages out there!

Ah yes the old deflect back to freo , unfortunately this thread has nothing to do with my team and everything to do with the leagues no 1 flat track bullies

And yes That’s right it’s not even a true big stage tho for the perennial pretenders that is this current Brisbane side that’s loaded up heavily for the now ,even hawthorn at the G is still too big an ask it seems even tho everyone knows hawthorn aren’t too concerned whether they win or lose atm

Reckon your captains response here sums up this current Brisbane outfit perfectly…



It’s the kinda response I’d expect from a teenager playing backyard footy not an AFL captain of one the leagues supposed favourites for the flag

 

[Taper]

I'm not sure if this has been mentioned, but I'm pretty sure it's not a coincidence.

Brisbane and Gold Coast have the worst records in Victoria.
West Coast and Fremantle have the worst records in NSW.

It's difficult for QLD teams to win in Victoria because they're used to playing/training on harder grounds which lead to faster and more uncontested games, compared to Victorian teams that are used to playing/training on softer grounds which lead to slower and more contested games.

 

[Elixuh]

Ah yes the old deflect back to freo , unfortunately this thread has nothing to do with my team and everything to do with the leagues no 1 flat track bullies

And yes That’s right it’s not even a true big stage tho for the perennial pretenders that is this current Brisbane side that’s loaded up heavily for the now ,even hawthorn at the G is still too big an ask it seems even tho everyone knows hawthorn aren’t too concerned whether they win or lose atm

Reckon your captains response here sums up this current Brisbane outfit perfectly…



It’s the kinda response I’d expect from a teenager playing backyard footy not an AFL captain of one the leagues supposed favourites for the flag

You're forcing the point too much which is tripping you up. You've got to let it come naturally.

 

[fnerd]

You're forcing the point too much which is tripping you up. You've got to let it come naturally.

Have you tried telling Fages that?

 

[GC2015]

Here you go, Lachie. Every non-Vic team's MCG record in the last 10 games they've played there:

Sydney 5-5 (wins against Melbourne 2019, Richmond 2021, Essendon 2021, Melbourne 2022, Melbourne 2022)

Fremantle 4-6 (wins against Richmond 2017, Collingwood 2019, Melbourne 2022, Melbourne 2023)
Port Adelaide 4-6 (wins against Melbourne 2019, Carlton 2021, Collingwood 2021, Richmond 2023)
West Coast 4-6 (wins against Collingwood 2018, Collingwood 2019, Hawthorn 2019, Hawthorn 2021)

Adelaide 3-6-1 (wins against Carlton 2016, Hawthorn 2017, Carlton 2017, draw with Collingwood 2017)
Gold Coast 3-7 (wins against Melbourne 2014, Hawthorn 2017, Collingwood 2021)
GWS 3-7 (wins against Collingwood 2019, Collingwood 2021, Melbourne 2021)

Brisbane 1-9 (only win against Melbourne in 2022)

 

[fnerd]

Here you go, Lachie. Every non-Vic team's MCG record in the last 10 games they've played there:

Sydney 5-5 (wins against Melbourne 2019, Richmond 2021, Essendon 2021, Melbourne 2022, Melbourne 2022)

Fremantle 4-6 (wins against Richmond 2017, Collingwood 2019, Melbourne 2022, Melbourne 2023)
Port Adelaide 4-6 (wins against Melbourne 2019, Carlton 2021, Collingwood 2021, Richmond 2023)
West Coast 4-6 (wins against Collingwood 2018, Collingwood 2019, Hawthorn 2019, Hawthorn 2021)

Adelaide 3-6-1 (wins against Carlton 2016, Hawthorn 2017, Carlton 2017, draw with Collingwood 2017)
Gold Coast 3-7 (wins against Melbourne 2014, Hawthorn 2017, Collingwood 2021)
GWS 3-7 (wins against Collingwood 2019, Collingwood 2021, Melbourne 2021)

Brisbane 1-9 (only win against Melbourne in 2022)

Yep it’s the worst record in the league and coming from a supposed contender looks twice as bad.

It’s what made neales comment so pathetic and childish- the fact that despite an obvious deflection (a good captain would’ve owned it) it only further reiterated the point!

 

[iBeng]

Well since we can't win in Melbourne I say we just burn the club down and leave the league at 19 clubs.

 

[hornyhorne]

Ah yes the old deflect back to freo , unfortunately this thread has nothing to do with my team and everything to do with the leagues no 1 flat track bullies

And yes That’s right it’s not even a true big stage tho for the perennial pretenders that is this current Brisbane side that’s loaded up heavily for the now ,even hawthorn at the G is still too big an ask it seems even tho everyone knows hawthorn aren’t too concerned whether they win or lose atm

Reckon your captains response here sums up this current Brisbane outfit perfectly…



It’s the kinda response I’d expect from a teenager playing backyard footy not an AFL captain of one the leagues supposed favourites for the flagHere you go, Lachie. Every non-Vic team's MCG record in the last 10 games they've played there:

Sydney 5-5 (wins against Melbourne 2019, Richmond 2021, Essendon 2021, Melbourne 2022, Melbourne 2022)

Fremantle 4-6 (wins against Richmond 2017, Collingwood 2019, Melbourne 2022, Melbourne 2023)
Port Adelaide 4-6 (wins against Melbourne 2019, Carlton 2021, Collingwood 2021, Richmond 2023)
West Coast 4-6 (wins against Collingwood 2018, Collingwood 2019, Hawthorn 2019, Hawthorn 2021)

Adelaide 3-6-1 (wins against Carlton 2016, Hawthorn 2017, Carlton 2017, draw with Collingwood 2017)
Gold Coast 3-7 (wins against Melbourne 2014, Hawthorn 2017, Collingwood 2021)
GWS 3-7 (wins against Collingwood 2019, Collingwood 2021, Melbourne 2021)

Brisbane 1-9 (only win against Melbourne in 2022)

Don’t forget Port 9 in a row at Marvel too

 

[Elixuh]

Have you tried telling Fages that?

It isn't Fages fault the MCG is the dimensions it is. That is on the MCG.

 

[Handyandy]

By most I would imagine. I don't think he is a good enough coach to get what we need out of this group, but prior to the Hawthorn drama I wouldn't think he had too many set against him in terms of his character and behavior. I'm inclined to think there is a personal connection here that you won't disclose. Anyway, It doesn't really matter I guess, we all form our opinions of people and often they are completely different.

I have always disliked him, seems to have the Lions playing a very simplistic 90’s style game plan and has about as much character/ personality as a cardboard box.
Then his response to the hawks racism scandal has been poor, head in the sand, lawyered up denial approach.
Brisbane should dump him asap and get a younger coach without the baggage.
Watched lions v crows and they were terrible, should have won in a landslide, Fagan didn’t change a thing. Just froze.