List Mgmt. List Management 2025-26

[DaTBird187]

Port must have been listening to me

Port be like, Zac.............

 

[Portology]

Port must have been listening to me

Let's all send him 20c pieces and a letter in orange crayon to pay the Dogs back for the child that stole Chris Grant from us.

 

[Coobk001]

What ya talking about?

In the last few years we have taken Soldo, Ratugolea, Rioli, Richards, Aliir, - none had a connection to the club. Perryman was also keen until the last minute swoop by the Pies.

JHF, BZT and Luko all chose us over the Crows and NWM is a big possibility.

Certainly seems we are seen in a positive light.

And whilst we have Butters and JHF, we should be pushing for finals and a flag every year. It’s what Pies do with Daicos, Dogs with the Bont. With some good recruiting and another year into the list, no reason we can’t bounce back next year.

We've failed on Cumming, Perryman, Peatling, Merrett, plus likely many others. What weve secured are reserves players from other clubs who think they can walk into our 22. We haven't secured a big fish for a while. Lukosius is the biggest one recently, and even then he was pushed out and his friendship and awareness of our list position is what brought him, not our clubs position. JHF who came because of a clear family connection. Rioli im not sure had an offer from the Crows, but obviously had a strong family reason to get back and his relationship with Ken probably secured it.

The real last players i can remember coming here for the club and because of our position would be Ryder and Dixon.

When you look at every media pundits ranking of us, the coach turmoil, the way teams play us with zero fear, theres zero doubt we command very little respect or fear out amongst the AFL community. Everyone thinks we're soon to bottom out and they might be right.

 

[Long live PAFC]

We've failed on Cumming, Perryman, Peatling, Merrett, plus likely many others. What weve secured are reserves players from other clubs who think they can walk into our 22. We haven't secured a big fish for a while. Lukosius is the biggest one recently, and even then he was pushed out and his friendship and awareness of our list position is what brought him, not our clubs position. JHF who came because of a clear family connection. Rioli im not sure had an offer from the Crows, but obviously had a strong family reason to get back and his relationship with Ken probably secured it.

The real last players i can remember coming here for the club and because of our position would be Ryder and Dixon.

When you look at every media pundits ranking of us, the coach turmoil, the way teams play us with zero fear, theres zero doubt we command very little respect or fear out amongst the AFL community. Everyone thinks we're soon to bottom out and they might be right.

Were we chasing Peatling? And would we consider Cumming, Peatling or Perryman big fish? Do you think we might not have caught a big fish because we spent all of our capital securing JHF and Rioli? We were into Dunkley and Merrett - the fact that both even considered us is big (Merrett a vic metro boy, who desperately wanted to stay in Vic) and Dunkley had family pulls elsewhere.

Ratugolea was being chased by several Victorian clubs, including Hawthorn, and Geelong wanted to keep him. He may not have lived up to his price or trade costs yet, but we beat several clubs to him.

Luko could have chosen the crows for sure.

We also secured Rockliff, Watts and Motlop - after Ryder and Dixon. And we had Jack Graham until we switched to JHF.

And of course players come to another club, usually having played reserves at their former club, and expect to be first 22, that’s why they would move. For opportunity. You don’t come on a big contract and expect to play SANFL (unless you’re a salary dump - Atkins). How may genuine first 22 players move each year? It’s the minority.

Port has done well to attract and retain talent.

I appreciate what you’re saying but don’t think we have turned into a North or Saints just yet. Nor do I think we need to rebuild or bottom out.

We will have a forward line mix featuring MG, Luko, Marshall, Lord, Rioli and SPP - that’s strong. Aliir, BZT, Ratugolea, Jones and Farrell are solid citizens and will all have over or close to 100 games to their names at season’s end. We will have two of the best mids going around - JHF and Butters. And have our second tier players all get an extra 10-20 games into them. With the right recruiting now, we can and should bounce back next year and be competing again.

 

[Willsy10]

The first I’ve heard we were into Peatling.

Definitely we’re up to our necks in the race for Cunming and Perryman. Neither are huge losses.

 

[RangaInTeal]

So contrast us to the bulldogs.

They were missing their best player for the first few games - Bont - and we were without Butters. They had some talls out - Jones, whilst we were/are missing BZT and Ratugolea. Their best small forward and barometer is out - Weightman, whilst SPP was just coming back from a knee reconstruction.

The dogs have galvanised and covered those losses. Port haven’t. Part of that is on the coaches and part is on the list. The dogs are older, more experienced, Bevo is also artful at creating a theme and driving the us vs the world narrative. Hardwick also very good at this.

The dogs have guys like Harmes, Scott, Poulter, West, Baker, Kennedy, Coffield, Davidson - all ready to go, some traded, some drafted. All can fill a role or more.

Out of our current 23 we have Burton, Boak, Sinn, Atkins, Marshall, Lukoscious and BZT. 3 are key tall and Atkins isn’t up to it, leaving us with 3 ready to go players.

The other element is the versatility of the dogs, pies, lions etc compared to Port.

Rozee and JHF can move around, Wines is rucking, do we have many other players that can play more than their single role?

I think the club, coaches, players - need to fight for this season. Scrap for every little gain and victory. Get more quality games into the list. Build the talent and experience. Aim to develop versatility. And match fitness and continue to chase finals, don’t let loser talk of rebuilding in.

Then, at season’s end, we need to chase experience and quality. And as cheaply as possible.

Hasn’t Beverage over the last 10 years averaged something like 39-40 players a year having seen Ones footy? Where as Hinkley holds blokes like Jackson, Charleson, Tommy A in the twos for 3 years to delist without even training with the ones squad on a Wednesday…

The only way you build depth is by providing the kids a platform to perform. Not as a Sub on Marvel in round 20 against St Kilda, a dower defensive game plan.

We have continued to Pump games into Boak and played half injured players season on season while leaving kids at home against North Melbourne in Tasmania or Gold Coast games up there when both sides have struggled to kick 60 points…

 

[RangaInTeal]

Were we chasing Peatling? And would we consider Cumming, Peatling or Perryman big fish? Do you think we might not have caught a big fish because we spent all of our capital securing JHF and Rioli? We were into Dunkley and Merrett - the fact that both even considered us is big (Merrett a vic metro boy, who desperately wanted to stay in Vic) and Dunkley had family pulls elsewhere.

Ratugolea was being chased by several Victorian clubs, including Hawthorn, and Geelong wanted to keep him. He may not have lived up to his price or trade costs yet, but we beat several clubs to him.

Luko could have chosen the crows for sure.

We also secured Rockliff, Watts and Motlop - after Ryder and Dixon. And we had Jack Graham until we switched to JHF.

And of course players come to another club, usually having played reserves at their former club, and expect to be first 22, that’s why they would move. For opportunity. You don’t come on a big contract and expect to play SANFL (unless you’re a salary dump - Atkins). How may genuine first 22 players move each year? It’s the minority.

Port has done well to attract and retain talent.

I appreciate what you’re saying but don’t think we have turned into a North or Saints just yet. Nor do I think we need to rebuild or bottom out.

We will have a forward line mix featuring MG, Luko, Marshall, Lord, Rioli and SPP - that’s strong. Aliir, BZT, Ratugolea, Jones and Farrell are solid citizens and will all have over or close to 100 games to their names at season’s end. We will have two of the best mids going around - JHF and Butters. And have our second tier players all get an extra 10-20 games into them. With the right recruiting now, we can and should bounce back next year and be competing again.

FF: Riolli, Georgiadies, Rozee
HF: Marshall, Lord, Lukocious
C : Lorenz, Drew, Burgoyne
HB: Farrell, Aliir, Sinn
FB: Jones, BZT, Ratugolea
Fol: Visintini, JHF, Butters
Int: Richards, Wines, Berry, Evans/Jackson
Sub: Moreas

Incoming, First Rounder for Burgmann, Lai, Watkins…

Outgoing; (7)Boak, Soldo, Williams, Burton, McIntee, Finlayson and Atkins. Possibly also Charleson and Moss? 8-10 with Burgmann possibly moving on?

 

[PortAdelFC1997]

How did Port become one of the worst ground ball teams? This has been a glaring issue for years to the point where everyone keeps mentioning it. How has this not been resolved yet?

Gotta need players who can win the ground ball since history says that in finals, chaos and ground ball are king.

 

[MrChow]

How did Port become one of the worst ground ball teams? This has been a glaring issue for years to the point where everyone keeps mentioning it. How has this not been resolved yet?

Gotta need players who can win the ground ball since history says that in finals, chaos and ground ball are king.

It’s both positioning and skills. New game plans- still all confused, and not confident.

Skills - good one on one wingers are essential. We have been wingless for years. Amon probably the best, but we really only got a couple of years where we would be competitive one on one.

And then we had the era of hiding the slow big bodies, Wines and Drew out there.

This year, it’s been average. Burgoyne is building but still learning. Boak is done.

Get in Steele Sidebottom.

 

[Rigs]

I want Maynard
I doubt he ever leaves Vic
Or ever comes to Port

 

[Addy23]

Not sure if anyone watched First Crack but the stats back me up (and several others) on our midfield. It's the 2nd worst in the comp for effective clearances. Nvm how we deal with it this season, because the club gave up on it even before it started.

But we seriously need to look it at it in the offseason and bring it some role players in the midfield. It doesn't need to Butters like or JHF like or Wines like (in his Brownlow season). It's a certain type that can bury themselves into the contest and release the Butters type etc. Imo if we lost Bergman and got a top 10 pick them Dyson Sharp would be a long term prospect for this.

But we need to look at VFL and see who we can grab out of there for a cheapish pick given we don't have much value.

I'd look at:

Deven Robertson

40

Deven Robertson

Age

24

Ht

185cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.0

2star

K

3.0

1star

HB

4.0

3star

M

0.0

1star

T

3.0

5star

CL

0.0

1star

D

7.0

1star

K

3.0

1star

HB

4.0

3star

M

0.0

1star

T

3.0

4star

CL

0.0

1star

D

7.0

2star

K

3.0

1star

HB

4.0

3star

M

0.0

1star

T

3.0

5star

CL

0.0

1star

Alex Davies
Henry Hustwaite
Harry Rowston

And I've got no issues in looking for some experience like a Fiorini type too. But our midfield depth simply isn't there. Mead's best and worst are too far apart, Boak's done, Wines' aging, Jackson is unknown and injured a lot and then we only have Drew, Butters, JHF and that's not enough.

 

[Peninsula Boy]

Not sure if anyone watched First Crack but the stats back me up (and several others) on our midfield. It's the 2nd worst in the comp for effective clearances. Nvm how we deal with it this season, because the club gave up on it even before it started.

But we seriously need to look it at it in the offseason and bring it some role players in the midfield. It doesn't need to Butters like or JHF like or Wines like (in his Brownlow season). It's a certain type that can bury themselves into the contest and release the Butters type etc. Imo if we lost Bergman and got a top 10 pick them Dyson Sharp would be a long term prospect for this.

But we need to look at VFL and see who we can grab out of there for a cheapish pick given we don't have much value.

I'd look at:

Deven Robertson
Alex Davies
Henry Hustwaite
Harry Rowston

And I've got no issues in looking for some experience like a Fiorini type too. But our midfield depth simply isn't there. Mead's best and worst are too far apart, Boak's done, Wines' aging, Jackson is unknown and injured a lot and then we only have Drew, Butters, JHF and that's not enough.

With Rozee going back, you've got Butters and the Hornet but Wines and Drew have not been very impactful. Add Sweet to that mix who has fallen off a cliff and it is a bit of a disaster.

Two big bodied midfielders who are inside with some outside are needed. Or one of them and another good midfielder who is a point of difference or just plainly good.

We know Wines is good at contested ball but with ball in hand, it can be a mixed bag.
When Drew is not tagging, he gives us 17 disposals a game. That is not going to cut the midfield mustard at all.

I only know a little about Hustwaite but I think he could be a really good get. He's huge for a midfielder, 195cm and it would allow Butters and the Hornet to be a bit more outside.

Mead isn't the answer at the moment. We have to see whether if young Hugh Jackson can give a point of difference in the centre.

The other problem is that Wines is a club legend and can't be played anywhere else.

The midfield will probably be crushed by the Crows midfield this week.

 

[davesnothere]

Dante Visentini helps the clearance issue

 

[Peninsula Boy]

Dante Visentini helps the clearance issue

People who watch him at the Maggies are impressed with him so I can't wait to see how much he's improved since his last AFL outing.

He seems to be playing this weekend and I just want to see the potential there. If he does more, great, but I want to see the potential and possibility of our next great ruck.

 

[Peninsula Boy]

Getting back to List Management.

There should be a huge turnover at the end of the year.

I just wanted to check in.

2025 - Ben Francou, Gillon Wakelin
2026 - Douglas Cochrane, Zemes Pilot, Tevita Rodan, Louis Salopek

Is that the right years?

We've got an early second rounder in 2025 which we might be able to cash in.
Soldo will more than likely be a guy who is delisted. We can get a young ruck with potential late in the draft or in the rookie draft.

 

[Rash]

Getting back to List Management.

There should be a huge turnover at the end of the year.

I just wanted to check in.

2025 - Ben Francou, Gillon Wakelin
2026 - Douglas Cochrane, Zemes Pilot, Tevita Rodan, Louis Salopek

Is that the right years?

We've got an early second rounder in 2025 which we might be able to cash in.
Soldo will more than likely be a guy who is delisted. We can get a young ruck with potential late in the draft or in the rookie draft.

pilot and salopek 2027

 

[PortAdelFC1997]

pilot and salopek 2027

I wonder how Percy Burgoyne is tracking?

 

[Holden Hillbilly]

Getting back to List Management.

There should be a huge turnover at the end of the year.

I just wanted to check in.

2025 - Ben Francou, Gillon Wakelin
2026 - Douglas Cochrane, Zemes Pilot, Tevita Rodan, Louis Salopek

Is that the right years?

We've got an early second rounder in 2025 which we might be able to cash in.
Soldo will more than likely be a guy who is delisted. We can get a young ruck with potential late in the draft or in the rookie draft.

2026 Nate Tredrea
2026 Ethan Kingsley

2027 Louis Salopek
2027 Tevita Rodan
2027 Percy Burgoyne (also FS eligible for Hawthorn)

 

[Haggas]

I wonder how Percy Burgoyne is tracking?

Done pretty well so far kicked 10 goals from 4 games so far for West Adelaide

 

[Haggas]

2025
Gill Wakelin - St.Kilda F/S Also
Ben Francou

2026
Dougie Cochrane ?
Ethan Kingsley - Sydney Academy Also
Daniel Annese ??
Kyran Cole-Manolis

2027
Zemes Pilot ?
Louis Salopek
Tevita Rodan - Essendon NGA also
Laurence Andriani ??
Percy Burgoyne - Hawthorn F/S Also

2028
Samuel DePalma ??
Darcy Campbell-Kearney ??
Leo Tredrea
Maikeli Rodan - Essendon NGA also

2029
Will Cochrane ?
Rajabu Waziri
Seth Rankine ??
Max Salopek

 

[RedmanWasHere]

2025
Gill Wakelin - St.Kilda F/S Also
Ben Francou

2026
Dougie Cochrane ?
Ethan Kingsley - Sydney Academy Also
Daniel Annese ??
Kyran Cole-Manolis

2027
Zemes Pilot ?
Louis Salopek
Tevita Rodan - Essendon NGA also
Laurence Andriani ??
Percy Burgoyne - Hawthorn F/S Also

2028
Samuel DePalma ??
Darcy Campbell-Kearney ??
Leo Tredrea
Maikeli Rodan - Essendon NGA also

2029
Will Cochrane ?
Rajabu Waziri
Seth Rankine ??
Max Salopek

2030.

Tomasi Rodan - Essendon NGA also.

 

[Lefti93]

Is Rome showing anything?

 

[Willsy10]

Where would Rioli have had a prior relationship with Ken?

wot?

 

[PowerLil]

wot?

My bad. Quoted wrong post.

 

[Addy23]

2025
Gill Wakelin - St.Kilda F/S Also
Ben Francou

2026
Dougie Cochrane ?
Ethan Kingsley - Sydney Academy Also
Daniel Annese ??
Kyran Cole-Manolis

2027
Zemes Pilot ?
Louis Salopek
Tevita Rodan - Essendon NGA also
Laurence Andriani ??
Percy Burgoyne - Hawthorn F/S Also

2028
Samuel DePalma ??
Darcy Campbell-Kearney ??
Leo Tredrea
Maikeli Rodan - Essendon NGA also

2029
Will Cochrane ?
Rajabu Waziri
Seth Rankine ??
Max Salopek

Wait Andriani is eligible to Port? I thought 2027 was already a bumper crop for us with the other 3