List Mgmt. List Management Thread

[Danger in Texas]

Because the club has clearly identified him as the best option - which is why he is training with the club.

How do you know that, for certain?

It seems a little sus that the ‘best option’ was someone that had already agreed to play in SA

 

[AFC979810]

How do you know that, for certain?

It seems a little sus that the ‘best option’ was someone that had already agreed to play in SA

I should have clarified - best available option.

We would need immediate cover to play AFL football in the first 11 rounds if ROB goes down and Strachan is still out.

Not too many available Ruckman who could do that. Was with the Swans Academy since 2019 then joined the AFL ranks in 2021. Since he is training with us - he would have had 4 full AFL preseasons and he has a couple of AFL games under his belt.

Would be far more ready made than Blakiston who has only managed 14 State League Games in the past 3 years.

Other ones the clubs would have considered would be Crossley and Pruest. Perhaps the club reached out to them and they knocked it back due to not wanting to relocate interstate with no guarantee of ending up on an AFL list.

 

[Velvet George]

Because the club has clearly identified him as the best option - which is why he is training with the club.

Keep in mind that this is to possibly cover an injury to Strachan (who is our 2nd Ruck) for the first part of the year.

So we have ROB as our Ruck. If we lose ROB in the first 11 rounds we would need to use McAndrew/Murray until we get Strachan back and can pick another ruckman in the midseason draft.

You dont think any AFL would be in a hell of a lot of trouble if they lost their 2 best pure ruckman?

He’s not on our list yet and can only get on our list if we have a long term injury, what’s the rules surrounding it? How long does Strachan have to be out for?

 

[Crow till I die]

Borlaise is better than Burgess

The French Borlase?

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Because the club has clearly identified him as the best option - which is why he is training with the club.

Keep in mind that this is to possibly cover an injury to Strachan (who is our 2nd Ruck) for the first part of the year.

So we have ROB as our Ruck. If we lose ROB in the first 11 rounds we would need to use McAndrew/Murray until we get Strachan back and can pick another ruckman in the midseason draft.

You dont think any AFL would be in a hell of a lot of trouble if they lost their 2 best pure ruckman?

More a convenience thing I think

Was in Adelaide prior to Strachan getting injured
Has AFL ambitions
Subbed in for Strachan to give O'Brien someone to train against for the preseason
No relocation costs

Maybe he impresses and maybe we do like him but I doubt it. Too much of a coincidence

 

[AFC979810]

He’s not on our list yet and can only get on our list if we have a long term injury, what’s the rules surrounding it? How long does Strachan have to be out for?

Not sure to be honest - more of a Vader question.

I just know the date is February 21st for the club to decide.

 

[AFC979810]

More a convenience thing I think

Was in Adelaide prior to Strachan getting injured
Has AFL ambitions
Subbed in for Strachan to give O'Brien someone to train against for the preseason
No relocation costs

Maybe he impresses and maybe we do like him but I doubt it. Too much of a coincidence

I think he is the best of option of a very very limited group of ruckman still available.

 

[Velvet George]

Not sure to be honest - more of a Vader question.

I just know the date is February 21st for the club to decide.

I was at Norwood open training last night, no visible ruckman at training so I’m guessing they still think he’s their player.

So if we can’t bring him on the list by Feb 21, ROB gets injured Feb 22, we go into the start of the season with no ruck?

 

[AFC979810]

I was at Norwood open training last night, no visible ruckman at training so I’m guessing they still think he’s their player.

So if we can’t bring him on the list by Feb 21, ROB gets injured Feb 22, we go into the start of the season with no ruck?

Well if we aren't bringing him onto the list by Feb 21 - then I would imagine Strachan should be fine for the start of the season.

Yes we will be in trouble if we lose both our starting ruckman to injury. If they are both injured after Feb 21st. We would likely have to play Tippett or Murray in the ruck.

But its the same position as the premiership winning Brisbane Lions. If Big O and Darcy Fort both get injured February 22nd then they go into the season without a ruckman. If Sydney lose both Grundy and Ladhams then they go into the season with a 203cm rookie ruckman who has 1 preseason and is 2kg heavier than Jordan Dawson. If Collingwood lose both Cameron & Cox after February 22nd then they will need to decide whether to pull up from the rookie list Smit or play 19 year old ruckman Oscar Steene who weighs the same as Lachlan Sholl.

Want me to go on?

 

[Velvet George]

Well if we aren't bringing him onto the list by Feb 21 - then I would imagine Strachan should be fine for the start of the season.

Yes we will be in trouble if we lose both our starting ruckman to injury. If they are both injured after Feb 21st. We would likely have to play Tippett or Murray in the ruck.

But its the same position as the premiership winning Brisbane Lions. If Big O and Darcy Fort both get injured February 22nd then they go into the season without a ruckman. If Sydney lose both Grundy and Ladhams then they go into the season with a 203cm rookie ruckman who has 1 preseason and is 2kg heavier than Jordan Dawson. If Collingwood lose both Cameron & Cox after February 22nd then they will need to decide whether to pull up from the rookie list Smit or play 19 year old ruckman Oscar Steene who weighs the same as Lachlan Sholl.

Want me to go on?

Yep, go through all the clubs.

I’m also thinking you’re not putting Strachan as in the same quality of AFL ruckman as Fort, Ladhams, Cox

 

[Tex Danger]

I guess it depends on what mechanisms the AFL uses, when building the Tasmanian team's list.

If players are pre-listed, and not taken through the draft directly, then I guess Tasmania would have preference. However, the kid would almost certainly have to agree to the arrangement, so they could still opt out and end up at their FS/Academy club.

I suspect the AFL will go down a similar path to what they did when GWS & GC joined the competition, back in 2010 & 2011. These clubs were allowed to pre-list some players from their respective zones (e.g. QLD & NT for GC), and were given a raft of 1st round picks to use. If that's the case, then the legacy clubs would still be able to match any Tasmanian bids on their FS/Academy players, just as they can today.

As a general rule, if a kid is eligible for FS/Academy selection by multiple clubs, then it's up to the player to decide which club they will go with. I see no reason why things would be any different with Tasmania.

With the draft option it coukd actually be harder for clubs to match bids that year.

Ie instead of a teams 2nd rounder being pick 22, it coukd be 30+ because of extra 1st round picks to Tasmania.

So accumulating points for a top 5-10 player becomes significantly harder.

Wonder if/how AFL plan for that. Probably depends what clubs are expected to be impacted

 

[1970crow]

No I don't, why would any club restrict themselves to just McAndrew as the only option when there are other options out there in the State Leagues like Brayden Crossley or even East Fremantle's dominant WAFL ruck Lachlan Blakiston etc and 4 or 5 ruck prospects that didn't get drafted but have been picked up by State League Clubs and several invited back to their CTL teams when not required for their VFL teams.

Surely the club has assessed all the potentially available rucks and this McAndrew bloke is the one that they reckon is most ready to go now or has the most potential to develop into an AFL quality first ruck. Plus, just because we've brought him into the tent for a close look, shouldn't mean we're not still keeping an eye on other potential options. We can't have them all training with us.

 

[GreyCrow]

Surely the club has assessed all the potentially available rucks and this McAndrew bloke is the one that they reckon is most ready to go now or has the most potential to develop into an AFL quality first ruck. Plus, just because we've brought him into the tent for a close look, shouldn't mean we're not still keeping an eye on other potential options. We can't have them all training with us.

No I have to agree with DABM - he was handy. In the state and willing to train with us

Nothing more nothing less

 

[1970crow]

He’s not on our list yet and can only get on our list if we have a long term injury, what’s the rules surrounding it? How long does Strachan have to be out for?

Wouldn't he have to go on the inactive list to be replaced given we have a full list? The LTI injury list would only have been relevant back in the day when you needed to elevate a rookie for them to be able to play.

 

[Mutineer]

Because the club has clearly identified him as the best option - which is why he is training with the club.

Keep in mind that this is to possibly cover an injury to Strachan (who is our 2nd Ruck) for the first part of the year.

So we have ROB as our Ruck. If we lose ROB in the first 11 rounds we would need to use McAndrew/Murray until we get Strachan back and can pick another ruckman in the midseason draft.

You dont think any AFL would be in a hell of a lot of trouble if they lost their 2 best pure ruckman?

Big problem with that is McAndrew is not on our AFL list so unless either Strachan or another player has to be put on the LTI list for that to happen.

We best just keep our fingers crossed ROB continues to have a good run with injuries because at this point the club seems reluctant to put Strachan on the LTI and given the nature of Strachan's injury it's hard to see him getting in too much running.

Unlikely Strachan will be at his full fitness level for the season with his endurance already highly questionable so it' seems odd given our predicament why the club hasn't moved already.

 

[Vader]

Not sure to be honest - more of a Vader question.

I just know the date is February 21st for the club to decide.

As per my previous post, we can't put Strachan on the Inactive List unless he has been ruled out for the entire season.

Strachan's injury is definitely long-term, but I have not seen any indication from the club that it is season ending.

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[1970crow]

Well if we aren't bringing him onto the list by Feb 21 - then I would imagine Strachan should be fine for the start of the season.

Yes we will be in trouble if we lose both our starting ruckman to injury. If they are both injured after Feb 21st. We would likely have to play Tippett or Murray in the ruck.

But its the same position as the premiership winning Brisbane Lions. If Big O and Darcy Fort both get injured February 22nd then they go into the season without a ruckman. If Sydney lose both Grundy and Ladhams then they go into the season with a 203cm rookie ruckman who has 1 preseason and is 2kg heavier than Jordan Dawson. If Collingwood lose both Cameron & Cox after February 22nd then they will need to decide whether to pull up from the rookie list Smit or play 19 year old ruckman Oscar Steene who weighs the same as Lachlan Sholl.

Want me to go on?

Based on the original injury article, Strachan is expected to be running mid February and available at around AFL round 3.

 

[Mutineer]

Surely the club has assessed all the potentially available rucks and this McAndrew bloke is the one that they reckon is most ready to go now or has the most potential to develop into an AFL quality first ruck. Plus, just because we've brought him into the tent for a close look, shouldn't mean we're not still keeping an eye on other potential options. We can't have them all training with us.

I think he immediately became an easy option because he was already signed by Norwood for the SANFL season so the relocation was already done.

Seems way to convenient for that not to be the case IMO. He's tall and available and on our doorstep already seems more likely. Poor list management by the club IMO.

 

[Mutineer]

Based on the original injury article, Strachan is expected to be running mid February and available at around AFL round 3.

I hope they right but given the nature of the injury all would need to go right with no flare ups.

Hard to see the point other than loyalty to the player because surely he's gone season's end?

 

[Mostyn]

I think he immediately became an easy option because he was already signed by Norwood for the SANFL season so the relocation was already done.

Seems way to convenient for that not to be the case IMO. He's tall and available and on our doorstep already seems more likely. Poor list management by the club IMO.

Not sure I agree it's bad list management. It's just how they've decided to structure up.

You need one break glass senior ruck backup, who should be on close to minimum wage. We have that.

We have someone auditioning for that spot if we need a replacement.

We have a couple of ruck forwards for emergencies.

The only thing we don't have is a speculative junior ruck. We've decided to use our list spots elsewhere. Personally, I don't agree with that and think at least one of our small running defenders should have been delisted for a project tall, but it's not a massive issue.

 

[Vader]

Big problem with that is McAndrew is not on our AFL list so unless either Strachan or another player has to be put on the LTI list for that to happen.

We best just keep our fingers crossed ROB continues to have a good run with injuries because at this point the club seems reluctant to put Strachan on the LTI and given the nature of Strachan's injury it's hard to see him getting in too much running.

Unlikely Strachan will be at his full fitness level for the season with his endurance already highly questionable so it' seems odd given our predicament why the club hasn't moved already.

The LTI List no longer exists. Or, to be more precise, it is no longer mentioned in the AFL Rules document. It has been replaced by the Inactive List.

The rules for the Inactive List are different from the old LTI List. Putting a player on the Inactive List requires them to have retired or suffered a season ending injury.

To the best of my knowledge (as per club media releases), Strachan's injury is not season ending - so we don’t have that option. It's not that they're reluctant to put him on the Inactive List (allowing them to replace him with McAndrew), it's that he's ineligible for the Inactive List based on his current medical diagnosis.

Our best hope then, as you rightly said, is to cross our fingers and hope that ROB continues to have a good run with injuries.

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[Mutineer]

The LTI List no longer exists. Or, to be more precise, it is no longer mentioned in the AFL Rules document. It has been replaced by the Inactive List.

The rules for the Inactive List are different from the old LTI List. Putting a player on the Inactive List requires them to have retired or suffered a season ending injury.

To the best of my knowledge (as per club media releases), Strachan's injury is not season ending - so we don’t have that option. It's not that they're reluctant to put him on the Inactive List (allowing them to replace him with McAndrew), it's that he's ineligible for the Inactive List based on his current medical diagnosis.

Our best hope then, as you rightly said, is to cross our fingers and hope that ROB continues to have a good run with injuries.

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So if he has a flare up which is quite common with his injury we can put him on the inactive list then?

He still gets his money and can you honestly see him getting another contract?

 

[Vader]

I think he immediately became an easy option because he was already signed by Norwood for the SANFL season so the relocation was already done.

Seems way to convenient for that not to be the case IMO. He's tall and available and on our doorstep already seems more likely. Poor list management by the club IMO.

How is it poor list management, given that we don’t have any list positions available, and no players eligible for the Inactive List (to free up a position for McAndrew)?

I can see a failing in not having drafted a young developing ruckman, but that's a whole different thing to not having McAndrew on our list to provide coverage for Strachan's current injury.

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[Velvet George]

Not sure I agree it's bad list management. It's just how they've decided to structure up.

You need one break glass senior ruck backup, who should be on close to minimum wage. We have that.

We have someone auditioning for that spot if we need a replacement.

We have a couple of ruck forwards for emergencies.

The only thing we don't have is a speculative junior ruck. We've decided to use our list spots elsewhere. Personally, I don't agree with that and think at least one of our small running defenders should have been delisted for a project tall, but it's not a massive issue.

Our lead ruck has been dropped 2/3 years which is damming as he’s a leader of the club.

Our back up ruck isn’t AFL quality, he struggles to run out a game let alone carry the ruck for a number of games.

That someone auditioning is SANFL quality, no one wanted him and as it stands there is no list spot available.

A lot hanging on a rebound for the club this year, would be ironic if this list decision is something that derails the season.

 

[Velvet George]

How is it poor list management, given that we don’t have any list positions available, and no players eligible for the Inactive List (to free up a position for McAndrew)?

I can see a failing in not having drafted a young developing ruckman, but that's a whole different thing to not having McAndrew on our list to provide coverage for Strachan's current injury.

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If we had drafted a developing ruck anytime in the last 5 years, they may have been ready and a better option than both ROB and Strachan, if not ROB, at least Strachan.

Might actually have put some pressure on ROB to perform too.