List Mgmt. List Management Thread

[Vader]

So if he has a flare up which is quite common with his injury we can put him on the inactive list then?

He still gets his money and can you honestly see him getting another contract?

We can't put him on the Inactive List until he has a medical diagnosis stating that he is out for the rest of the season. If that happens, then we're free to put him on the Inactive List and sign a replacement, either through the PSSP or MSD. Obviously, we can't use the PSSP after 21 Feb.

No, I don't see him getting a new contract, but that's completely irrelevant. The only thing that matters is his medical diagnosis.

Once we have a medical diagnosis stating that his injury is season ending then it's all systems go. Until then, the club's hands are tied.

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[Big Dub]

We can't put him on the Inactive List until he has a medical diagnosis stating that he is out for the rest of the season. If that happens, then we're free to put him on the Inactive List and sign a replacement, either through the PSSP or MSD. Obviously, we can't use the PSSP after 21 Feb.

No, I don't see him getting a new contract, but that's completely irrelevant. The only thing that matters is his medical diagnosis.

Once we have a medical diagnosis stating that his injury is season ending then it's all systems go. Until then, the club's hands are tied.

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Could he "retire" to free up a spot?

 

[Vader]

Could he "retire" to free up a spot?

Yes, he could.

 

[Vader]

Please don't get me wrong here. I am all for signing McAndrew as a replacement for Strachan, and bringing him in early so we don't need to spend 2025 draft resources (even if it's only a rookie list draft selection) on him.

My posts above are coming at it from an AFL Rules perspective - what is and is not possible under the AFL's rules.

What I want, and what is possible under the rules, are two different things.

 

[AFC979810]

Please don't get me wrong here. I am all for signing McAndrew as a replacement for Strachan, and bringing him in early so we don't need to spend 2025 draft resources (even if it's only a rookie list draft selection) on him.

My posts above are coming at it from an AFL Rules perspective - what is and is not possible under the AFL's rules.

What I want, and what is possible under the rules, are two different things.

Appreciate your knowledge on the inner workings of what is and isnt allowed on the AFL list management rules!

 

[Mutineer]

How is it poor list management, given that we don’t have any list positions available, and no players eligible for the Inactive List (to free up a position for McAndrew)?

I can see a failing in not having drafted a young developing ruckman, but that's a whole different thing to not having McAndrew on our list to provide coverage for Strachan's current injury.

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I'm not just talking the here and now....it is poor list management especially given it became patently obvious Strachan wasn't up to it last year. This should have been addressed long before now given both ROB and Strachan are fast approaching their 30th year. A further list spot or 2 could easily have been opened up long before the trade period or the draft. Pay out a player excess to needs even.

 

[Vader]

I'm not just talking the here and now....it is poor list management especially given it became patently obvious Strachan wasn't up to it last year. This should have been addressed long before now given both ROB and Strachan are fast approaching their 30th year. A further list spot or 2 could easily have been opened up long before the trade period or the draft. Pay out a player excess to needs even.

The lack of a development ruckman is disappointing, I agree. You may recall that I've been calling for them to draft one for several years now.

However, there is only room for 1 "mature aged SANFL based ready-to-go" ruckman on the list, and (for now at least) Strachan is it. McAndrew would be filling Strachan's role on the list, and there is only room for 1 such player on the list.

 

[Dangarman]

Yes we will be in trouble if we lose both our starting ruckman to injury. If they are both injured after Feb 21st. We would likely have to play Tippett or Murray in the ruck.

You just made my PTSD flare up...

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Not sure I agree it's bad list management. It's just how they've decided to structure up.

You need one break glass senior ruck backup, who should be on close to minimum wage. We have that.

We have someone auditioning for that spot if we need a replacement.

We have a couple of ruck forwards for emergencies.

The only thing we don't have is a speculative junior ruck. We've decided to use our list spots elsewhere. Personally, I don't agree with that and think at least one of our small running defenders should have been delisted for a project tall, but it's not a massive issue.

Didn’t we try and lure Moyle ? …… it appears we’re active behind the scenes

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Please don't get me wrong here. I am all for signing McAndrew as a replacement for Strachan, and bringing him in early so we don't need to spend 2025 draft resources (even if it's only a rookie list draft selection) on him.

My posts above are coming at it from an AFL Rules perspective - what is and is not possible under the AFL's rules.

What I want, and what is possible under the rules, are two different things.

I think people may have gone the early crow on McAndrew …… let’s see him play, but SYD delisted him for a reason

He’s a long way off AFL level

 

[AFC979810]

You just made my PTSD flare up...

My Bad. TT was what I meant to write.

 

[1970crow]

I think he immediately became an easy option because he was already signed by Norwood for the SANFL season so the relocation was already done.

Seems way to convenient for that not to be the case IMO. He's tall and available and on our doorstep already seems more likely. Poor list management by the club IMO.

No doubt that's a viable option. But also, this is a guy that was worthy of being drafted and on the Swans list for a 3 and a half years and selected for 2 games. Whilst not being good enough to remain on the Swans' list, that doesn't mean that he's not ahead of the many other available rucks that have never made a list or played a game. Ben Keays wasn't good enough for Brisbane's list.

 

[1970crow]

I hope they right but given the nature of the injury all would need to go right with no flare ups.

Hard to see the point other than loyalty to the player because surely he's gone season's end?

Is he though? If ROB leaves, they're going to want a mature backup, Strachan tends to get the better of most SANFL rucks, they're not going to want to go backwards in a contending period. Otherwise, yeh, they can make him inactive if it flares up when he starts running and replace him if the SSP deadline hasn't elapsed.

 

[1970crow]

Not sure I agree it's bad list management. It's just how they've decided to structure up.

You need one break glass senior ruck backup, who should be on close to minimum wage. We have that.

We have someone auditioning for that spot if we need a replacement.

We have a couple of ruck forwards for emergencies.

The only thing we don't have is a speculative junior ruck. We've decided to use our list spots elsewhere. Personally, I don't agree with that and think at least one of our small running defenders should have been delisted for a project tall, but it's not a massive issue.

Those first 2 sentences are just a little bit on the dumb side. If the structure that they've decided to go with is flawed, then, by definition, it's bad list management. If you decided to go with 40 rucks and successfully recruited 40 rucks onto the list, it would be bad list management. You don't get points for successfully implementing bad policy.

 

[1970crow]

So if he has a flare up which is quite common with his injury we can put him on the inactive list then?

He still gets his money and can you honestly see him getting another contract?

I think a flare up will have him on the inactive list immediately. Per previous response, whilst that will put him out for the year, I'm not 100% certain it will be career ending, depending on what happens with ROB or what is available in the SANFL quality backup ruck market.

 

[Mutineer]

Current AFL listed Rucks and Forward/Rucks out of contract 2025 according to Footywire. Listing Toby Murray as a Forward/Ruck

Pretty slim pickings for a lead ruck to replace ROB.
You would expect Tom De Koning, Lloyd Meek and Dante Visentini would all be re-signed, and or Tom De Koning unlikely to get to us?

Adelaide
Reilly O'Brien 20/08/1995 Unrestricted Free Agent
Keiran Strachan 05/10/1995
Toby Murray 03/11/2003 (Forward/Ruck)

Brisbane
Darcy Fort 06/08/1993

Carlton
Tom De Koning 16/07/1999 Restricted Free Agent

Collingwood
Iliro Smit 06/05/2005
Mason Cox 14/03/1991 (Forward/Ruck)
Oscar Steene 23/08/2003 (Forward/Ruck)

Essendon
Nick Bryan 22/10/2001
Sam Draper 28/09/1998 Restricted Free Agent
Todd Goldstein 01/07/1988 Unrestricted Free Agent
Vigo Visentini 05/09/2005

Fremantle
Liam Reidy 14/06/2000
Aiden Riddle 27/12/2005
Odin Jones 25.09/2005

Geelong
Rhys Stanley 01/12/1990
Mark Blicavs 28/03/91 Midfield/Ruck - Unrestricted Free Agent
Joe Pike 17/05/2005
Mitch Edwards 02/06/2005
Toby Conway 24/04/2003

Gold Coast
Max Knobel 27/06/2004

GWS
0

Hawthorn
Lloyd Meek 22/04/1998

Melbourne
Tom Campbell 02/11/1991 Unrestricted Free Agent
Will Verrall 11/03/2004

North Melbourne
Brynn Teakle 16/10/1999 Unrestricted Free Agent
Finbar Maley 18/07/2003

Port Adelaide
Dante Visentini 13/02/2003
Ivan Soldo 14/04/1996

Richmond
Oliver Hayes-Brown 27/04/2000


St Kilda
Max Heath 24/19/2002

Sydney
Peter Ladhams 14/01/1998

West Coast
Coen Livingstone 25/05/2005

Western Bulldogs
Lachlan Smith 05/10/2005

 

[Vader]

Current AFL listed Rucks and Forward/Rucks out of contract 2025 according to Footywire. Listing Toby Murray as a Forward/Ruck

Pretty slim pickings for a lead ruck to replace ROB.
You would expect Tom De Koning, Lloyd Meek and Dante Visentini would all be re-signed, and or Tom De Koning unlikely to get to us?

Adelaide
Reilly O'Brien 20/08/1995 Unrestricted Free Agent
Keiran Strachan 05/10/1995
Toby Murray 03/11/2003 (Forward/Ruck)

Brisbane
Darcy Fort 06/08/1993

Carlton
Tom De Koning 16/07/1999 Restricted Free Agent

Collingwood
Iliro Smit 06/05/2005
Mason Cox 14/03/1991 (Forward/Ruck)
Oscar Steene 23/08/2003 (Forward/Ruck)

Essendon
Nick Bryan 22/10/2001
Sam Draper 28/09/1998 Restricted Free Agent
Todd Goldstein 01/07/1988 Unrestricted Free Agent
Vigo Visentini 05/09/2005

Fremantle
Liam Reidy 14/06/2000
Aiden Riddle 27/12/2005
Odin Jones 25.09/2005

Geelong
Rhys Stanley 01/12/1990
Mark Blicavs 28/03/91 Midfield/Ruck - Unrestricted Free Agent
Joe Pike 17/05/2005
Mitch Edwards 02/06/2005
Toby Conway 24/04/2003

Gold Coast
Max Knobel 27/06/2004

GWS
0

Hawthorn
Lloyd Meek 22/04/1998

Melbourne
Tom Campbell 02/11/1991 Unrestricted Free Agent
Will Verrall 11/03/2004

North Melbourne
Brynn Teakle 16/10/1999 Unrestricted Free Agent
Finbar Maley 18/07/2003

Port Adelaide
Dante Visentini 13/02/2003
Ivan Soldo 14/04/1996

Richmond
Oliver Hayes-Brown 27/04/2000


St Kilda
Max Heath 24/19/2002

Sydney
Peter Ladhams 14/01/1998

West Coast
Coen Livingstone 25/05/2005

Western Bulldogs
Lachlan Smith 05/10/2005

I wouldn't expect them to consider anyone born before 1999 (i.e. turning 26 in 2025), so that narrows the field even further.

 

[Velvet George]

Those first 2 sentences are just a little bit on the dumb side. If the structure that they've decided to go with is flawed, then, by definition, it's bad list management. If you decided to go with 40 rucks and successfully recruited 40 rucks onto the list, it would be bad list management. You don't get points for successfully implementing bad policy.

I think what he meant to say was it was a good decision because the club made it and therefore he will defend it.

 

[Tex Danger]

Our lead ruck has been dropped 2/3 years which is damming as he’s a leader of the club.

Our back up ruck isn’t AFL quality, he struggles to run out a game let alone carry the ruck for a number of games.

That someone auditioning is SANFL quality, no one wanted him and as it stands there is no list spot available.

A lot hanging on a rebound for the club this year, would be ironic if this list decision is something that derails the season.

Is he auditioning (given there’s no list spot) or was it convenient there’s a player moving to SA who has been on an AFL list and so used to those training standards who could be offered a training spot

Not so much about auditioning but benefit to us being having a fringe AFL level for Rick training and benefit to him being he gets an afl preseason and while not a formal audition it still gives him an outside chance if he impresses enough

That seems more likely to me than us asking us to train with any likely expectation of a list spot

 

[Jeffcrowe]

The SA and Academy kids always fall back as the year goes on.

Overall yes

But guys like JHF , Draper and Sharp are above that

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

I wonder if it's more the initial local rating of our 16 year olds that is out of whack more so than them falling back in their draft year

 

[Cromulant]

I wonder if it's more the initial local rating of our 16 year olds that is out of whack more so than them falling back in their draft year

It's a bit of that, and a bit of the fact SANFL clubs don't have the development resources those in the eastern states have

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

It's a bit of that, and a bit of the fact SANFL clubs don't have the development resources those in the eastern states have

The SANFL clubs have supposedly been developing them fine up to U16 level with these same lack of resources

I do think there's an element of accelerated learning in SA because our population is centralised in Adelaide (90% of our population or something similar is in the metro and surrounding area)

So it's easier for us to identify our most talented players early. Whereas bigger states with more large regional areas have the talent spread far and wide. Takes longer for the best players to emerge and be identified and pooled together.

 

[Tex Danger]

The SANFL clubs have supposedly been developing them fine up to U16 level with these same lack of resources

I do think there's an element of accelerated learning in SA because our population is centralised in Adelaide (90% of our population or something similar is in the metro and surrounding area)

So it's easier for us to identify our most talented players early. Whereas bigger states with more large regional areas have the talent spread far and wide. Takes longer for the best players to emerge and be identified and pooled together.

It’s also the age level that underage training becomes higher level and “more professional” so the natural talent and general junior coaching may get them there in the earlier stages but as the Vic kids start having enhanced facilities, increased training Frequencies and under the states too junior coaches it extracts the difference

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

It’s also the age level that underage training becomes higher level and “more professional” so the natural talent and general junior coaching may get them there in the earlier stages but as the Vic kids start having enhanced facilities, increased training Frequencies and under the states too junior coaches it extracts the difference

Are Vic (or WA) Under 18s really training more often than our guys? Are the facilities much different? Surely population is the single biggest factor.