List Mgmt. List Management Thread

[1990crow]

Seemed to go alright on Thursday without him

We won’t be replacing him. Just playing differently. And that other way may be better.

Maybe. It's about having quality in every position though I think, no weak links.
Toby is currently a weak link.

Ludowyke may be answer but he's probably 1.5 years away.

 

[1990crow]

But its a perpetual problem

When are we going to have someone take over? How do they ''take over '' when we keep playing him?

I love him but its time to move on

Say we go smaller.
Toby doesn't cut it and as the season goes on it because an obvious problem, we go small.
Thilthorpe has to ruck and we are left with Fog only up forward.

Not a good outcome IMO.

 

[Scorpus]

People have to let go of Tex

I would not re-sign him

The club won't do it. Tex will choose when Tex retires

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Looking at the list of currently uncontracted players:
Brayden Cook
Lachlan Sholl
Jordan Butts
Chayce Jones
Billy Dowling
Luke Pedlar
Mitchell Hinge
James Borlase (R)
Oscar Ryan
Charlie Edwards
Tyler Welsh (R)
Zac Taylor
Taylor Walker
Hugo Hall-Kahan (R)
Indy Cotton (Cat b Rookie) Not sure of expiry date
Maley

I'd suggest the following:
Re-sign: Cook, Pedlar, Hinge, Borlase (will need upgrading to senior list), Edwards, Taylor, Hall-Kahan, Cotton
Want to Re-sign, but may leave via FA: Butts
Retire: Walker (maybe)
Delist before trade period: Jones, Ryan, Welsh, Sholl
Likely delist after trade period: Dowling, Maley

With Butts, NMurray, Keane and Borlase, we have 4x AFL standard KPDs - but only 2 of them can play most weeks. This is bound to be creating tensions at the contract negotiation table. With Butts & Borlase both out of contract this year, do not be surprised to see someone wanting to exercise their FA rights, in the hope of finding a home where they are guaranteed weekly selection.

We won't be making 8 list changes given we are not in rebuild mode.

Will be around half the number you ade suggesting.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

He has one in front of him but hasn’t signed it yet.

We have been waiting for a poor loss to announce it after.

 

[NSolis]

The issue is there's no one really ready to take over unless we go smaller.
Or play Toby Murray which sounds bad to me.

If Walker had a career ending injury tomorrow, we'd play Murray or Maley the rest of the year as the third tall/backup ruck and Thilthorpe and Fogarty as the main key forwards. There's also Ludowyke for next year who is the same height as Maley and could be an option. Marsh you'd assume has been drafted longer term as a potential Walker/Fogarty type as well.

I don't know if Walker goes around again or not, but if he doesn't there's no reason it has to be a significant structural change to the team.

 

[cleanhands]

Norwood can't seem to find a ruck. Poor list management on their behalf. Maybe they'd be keen.

 

[1990crow]

If Walker had a career ending injury tomorrow, we'd play Murray or Maley the rest of the year as the third tall/backup ruck and Thilthorpe and Fogarty as the main key forwards. There's also Ludowyke for next year who is the same height as Maley and could be an option. Marsh you'd assume has been drafted longer term as a potential Walker/Fogarty type as well.

I don't know if Walker goes around again or not, but if he doesn't there's no reason it has to be a significant structural change to the team.

There's a difference between structure and ability.

 

[crows dude]

Norwood can't seem to find a ruck. Poor list management on their behalf. Maybe they'd be keen.

We have the best ruck in the comp. But he’s injured. Also have the best back up ruck in the comp.

 

[spenze]

But its a perpetual problem

When are we going to have someone take over? How do they ''take over '' when we keep playing him?

I love him but its time to move on

For the last few years it was "Keep Tex he has so much to teach" and the "when Tex isn't in the side, we struggle to put up a winning score, Filthy and Fog aren't ready".

Now that we are putting up winning scores and applying league leading pressure, the group think is "we still need Tex" when facts clearly show we don't.

We need to be a strong club this year, we can't leave the decision up to Tex, we need to make a clear decision either way on contracts.

 

[crows dude]

Contracted until end of 2026
Brayden Cook re-sign
Lachlan Sholl - delist:trade
Jordan Butts - re-sign
Chayce Jones

1

Chayce Jones

Age

26

Ht

180cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.0

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

4.6

3star

M

1.7

2star

T

1.9

4star

CL

1.3

3star

D

8.9

2star

K

4.9

2star

HB

4.0

3star

M

1.4

2star

T

1.6

3star

CL

1.1

3star

D

9.4

3star

K

4.4

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.6

2star

T

1.8

4star

CL

0.8

3star

- delist:trade
Billy Dowling - re-sign
Finbar Maley - delist:trade
Luke Pedlar- re-sign
Mitchell Hinge re-sign
James Borlase (R) Upgrade re-sign
Oscar Ryan Delist:trade
Charlie Edwards- re sign
Tyler Welsh (R) - delist:trade
Zac Taylor- re-sign
Taylor Walker

13

Taylor Walker

Age

36

Ht

192cm

Wt

102kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.0

3star

K

9.0

3star

HB

4.0

3star

M

5.7

5star

T

1.6

4star

G

2.3

5star

No current season stats available

D

8.0

2star

K

6.4

3star

HB

1.6

2star

M

4.2

4star

T

1.6

4star

G

1.6

5star

retire
Hugo Hall-Kahan (R) - re-sign
Indy Cotton (Cat b Rookie) Not sure of expiry date - re-sign

6 off list

 

[Vader]

Richmond and Essendon

Nanks cooked and Bryan is fairly average.

Cant think of anywhere else.

Richmond are doing a ground up rebuild. Not sure that they'd be interested in a 31 yo ruckman - I suspect they'd want someone younger, who might develop with the rest of their group.

Essendon... well, who knows what that trainwreck will attempt to do?

 

[Peter Doherty]

For the last few years it was "Keep Tex he has so much to teach" and the "when Tex isn't in the side, we struggle to put up a winning score, Filthy and Fog aren't ready".

Now that we are putting up winning scores and applying league leading pressure, the group think is "we still need Tex" when facts clearly show we don't.

We need to be a strong club this year, we can't leave the decision up to Tex, we need to make a clear decision either way on contracts.

The group think is Tex should go around again next year?

Maybe we need a poll, I feel like more would say no.

 

[Vader]

We won't be making 8 list changes given we are not in rebuild mode.

Will be around half the number you ade suggesting.

It's also our last chance to make significant list changes before Tasmania enters the frame, with all that this entails.

I don't see any pressing reason for retaining any of the players I named as delistees, with the Walker & Butts decisions likely being made by the player rather than the club.

If Tex does decide to play on (and I would be more than happy for him to do so), then that's one less list change at least.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

It's also our last chance to make significant list changes before Tasmania enters the frame, with all that this entails.

I don't see any pressing reason for retaining any of the players I named as delistees, with the Walker & Butts decisions likely being made by the player rather than the club.

If Tex does decide to play on (and I would be more than happy for him to do so), then that's one less list change at least.

Sure there is going to be a couple of compromised drafts, but there is no need to go crazy Vossy with 8 list changes.

Doubt there will be any more than 5 list changes.

There is never a perfect list.

 

[Vader]

For the last few years it was "Keep Tex he has so much to teach" and the "when Tex isn't in the side, we struggle to put up a winning score, Filthy and Fog aren't ready".

Now that we are putting up winning scores and applying league leading pressure, the group think is "we still need Tex" when facts clearly show we don't.

We need to be a strong club this year, we can't leave the decision up to Tex, we need to make a clear decision either way on contracts.

When you say "now we're putting up winning scores" without Tex, that's happened precisely ONCE - against a Bulldogs backline which barely had anyone over 3'6" in it (until they shifted Lobb to defence, after the horse had bolted).

For a long time now our forward line has looked directionless, rudderless, and leaderless whenever Tex was MIA. The Bulldogs game was an encouraging change, but I'd want to see that level of cohesion repeated over several games, before I'd start declaring Tex as surplus to requirements.

I think we've seen enough of TMurray to know that he's not the answer - at least not right now. Ludowycke appears to be the longer term heir, but he's still 1-2 seasons away from being ready to step up. Not sure where Mitch Marsh fits into the picture either, but Ludo appears to have him covered quite comfortably at present. Ideally, Tex plays until Ludo and/or Marsh are ready to step up to the plate.

 

[Cromulant]

Richmond are doing a ground up rebuild. Not sure that they'd be interested in a 31 yo ruckman - I suspect they'd want someone younger, who might develop with the rest of their group.

Essendon... well, who knows what that trainwreck will attempt to do?

You still need senior blokes in a rebuild, especially when the weather turns ordinary around this time of year as it tends to do in Melbourne

 

[Vader]

Sure there is going to be a couple of compromised drafts, but there is no need to go crazy Vossy with 8 list changes.

Doubt there will be any more than 5 list changes.

There is never a perfect list.

It's not that many, particularly if you consider the likelihood of bringing players into the club via FA (e.g. Bailey) and trade (your guess is as good as mine). It will still probably only end up as 3-4 draft picks in the ND, and 2 in the RD - with one of those positions likely being saved for the SSP.

 

[Vader]

You still need senior blokes in a rebuild, especially when the weather turns ordinary around this time of year as it tends to do in Melbourne

Richmond still have a senior core. They don't need to be trading players into the club to fill that role.

 

[Cromulant]

It's not that many, particularly if you consider the likelihood of bringing players into the club via FA (e.g. Bailey) and trade (your guess is as good as mine). It will still probably only end up as 3-4 draft picks in the ND, and 2 in the RD - with one of those positions likely being saved for the SSP.

Teams who consider themselves in contention very rarely turn a list over like that

 

[El Doederino]

The thing with Sholl and Jones, they are decent enough break glass options. If they have no other AFL options then why wouldn’t they stay on minimum chips to play SANFL and why wouldn’t we keep them just in case?

 

[Cromulant]

The thing with Sholl and Jones, they are decent enough break glass options. If they have no other AFL options then why wouldn’t they stay on minimum chips to play SANFL and why wouldn’t we keep them just in case?

Chayce would earn more money playing VFL for Tassie.

 

[spenze]

The group think is Tex should go around again next year?

Maybe we need a poll, I feel like more would say no.

I believe so but yeah, poll would be interesting.

Can't put it up after a loss though, half the board disappears when that happens

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

It's not that many, particularly if you consider the likelihood of bringing players into the club via FA (e.g. Bailey) and trade (your guess is as good as mine). It will still probably only end up as 3-4 draft picks in the ND, and 2 in the RD - with one of those positions likely being saved for the SSP.

When did a team, let alone a team on the way up turnover 8 players!

Do some research as this is wildly unrealistic.

 

[Vader]

Teams who consider themselves in contention very rarely turn a list over like that

I've suggested 6x delistings, and 2 possible voluntary departures. That's not a massive turnover - in fact, it's pretty damn close to the AFL average.