List Mgmt. List Management Thread

[Mostyn]

ROB is fine. He has his limitations but he rarely gets smashed in the ruck. He also can ruck 90% TOG and is incredibly durable. It’s pretty amazing he’s carried our ruck division for what, 6 years? With essentially zero support.

So he can’t kick… he knows it and the team knows it and we adjust.

I’d rather we keep him for another 3 years and instead grab either a ruck in the draft or someone 2-3 years in the system to take over when they time is ready.

Was it Goad NM took in the Curtin draft? Someone like that.

Not sure Draper is better than ROB, especially after injury, but sure will cost more.

I think I agree with this.

Go grab Verrell or Goad or Dodson. Keep ROB and push someone young and long-term through.

How a one legged Draper could be the answer has me very confused.

 

[Mostyn]

It doesn't take talent to show effort, his endurance has always been his advantage over other ruckman which he is using again by applying more pressure as he is covering the ground and has even laid strong tackles.

Yeah, I think he's always shown effort. But sometimes the lack of talent just gets in the way, and other times it doesn't.

His unpredictability isn't that he doesn't try hard. He's unpredictable because he has a really low skill base.

 

[1990crow]

I think I agree with this.

Go grab Verrell or Goad or Dodson. Keep ROB and push someone young and long-term through.

How a one legged Draper could be the answer has me very confused.

Unless Obrien wants to move to Melbourne for his study.

 

[Mutineer]

Yeah, I think he's always shown effort. But sometimes the lack of talent just gets in the way, and other times it doesn't.

His unpredictability isn't that he doesn't try hard. He's unpredictable because he has a really low skill base.

Why only SA rucks?

Will Verrall the oldest has played a lot forward as well.

Are any of those three named going to be competitive at AFL level next year or the year after?

There are options outside of those three that look closer to AFL ready.

 

[Velvet George]

I think I agree with this.

Go grab Verrell or Goad or Dodson. Keep ROB and push someone young and long-term through.

How a one legged Draper could be the answer has me very confused.

You’ve gone off giving our first pick on Marshall?

 

[Mostyn]

Why only SA rucks?

Will Verrall the oldest has played a lot forward as well.

Are any of those three named going to be competitive at AFL level next year or the year after?

There are options outside of those three that look closer to AFL ready.

Yeah, happy with that as well. I've mostly been following the SA young rucks and there's been a few early picks in recent years.

I guess Moyle might also be interested in an approach. Or a Liam Reidy?

Or I guess we stay with the plan as suggested and go younger. Not sure who they would be, though.

 

[Mutineer]

Yeah, happy with that as well. I've mostly been following the SA young rucks and there's been a few early picks in recent years.

I guess Moyle might also be interested in an approach. Or a Liam Reidy?

Or I guess we stay with the plan as suggested and go younger. Not sure who they would be, though.

Interested if you're following the young SA rucks which ones do you think could realistically lead an AFL team's rucks next year or the year after.

 

[BRL121]

Interested if you're following the young SA rucks which ones do you think could realistically lead an AFL team's rucks next year or the year after.

Is Dodson actually playing football?

 

[1970crow]

A few players equal or better from achilles : Roughead & Rocca - arguement could even be made about Comben as well.
While I don't agree with people calling him rubbish in their posts, I do question if it is worth the risk.

I dn't think there's much risk with recovery from achilles, but there is a performance lag. People around here use VB as evidence, but he had lost mobility and was crap prior to his injury.

 

[1970crow]

Because contract

Hopefully we don't fall for the contract talks intensity spike and judge him on the secure years where he phoned it in until dropped.

 

[spenze]

Hopefully we don't fall for the contract talks intensity spike and judge him on the secure years where he phoned it in until dropped.

Yeah, noticed he was following the Tex playbook last night on the news, I'll talk about it for 30 seconds and then say it isn't bothering me and it'll take care of itself between my manager and the club.

 

[1970crow]

The difference between ROB playing for his spot and comfortable ROB is chalk and cheese.

If he played like he has been recently he’d never be a whipping boy of this board.

It’s incredibly frustrating

What's worse is that he's in the leadership group. Securing your spot and cruising should see you moved on like we did with Vince.

 

[Samcro24]

Hopefully we don't fall for the contract talks intensity spike and judge him on the secure years where he phoned it in until dropped.

He’ll he judged on the spike

 

[Velvet George]

Yeah, noticed he was following the Tex playbook last night on the news, I'll talk about it for 30 seconds and then say it isn't bothering me and it'll take care of itself between my manager and the club.

Rowey keeps asking him on his weekly spot

 

[1990crow]

What's worse is that he's in the leadership group. Securing your spot and cruising should see you moved on like we did with Vince.

Maybe the Jordan Peterson ethos is to only try when it suits you.

 

[Mutineer]

Is Dodson actually playing football?

VFL Stats - Alex Dodson

vfl.aflmstats.com

 

[ams4crows]

Its an interesting one.

Jimmy Rowe and Matt Wright are 2 guys that come to mind who've played some footy at AFL level and then been delisted.

I reckon he'll get a year though, simply because there's a few in front of him and we wont be that active in the trade and draft period

Will Hamill last year played very well when ever he was in the AFL side and still got delisted.

 

[hugecannon]

VFL Stats - Alex Dodson

vfl.aflmstats.com

Do you know if he’s playing more forward and rotating into the ruck or off the bench and into the ruck?

I’m guessing with Boyd and Heath he’s not getting a heap of CBA’s especially while he builds his body up.

 

[1970crow]

Maybe the Jordan Peterson ethos is to only try when it suits you.

It’s human nature to perform better when it’s more necessary. But you can’t accept that in a performance based elite environment. You certainly can’t afford to reward those that exhibit that normality. There’s a lot of moving parts that contribute to a successful AFL list, motivation is one of them and it’s got to be a non-negotiable.

When ROB was earning his place in the 22 ahead of Sauce, he was regularly hitting ground ball and oppo hard after the ruck contest. In the last 3 years he’s only done that after being dropped or more recently when trying to earn himself a better contract offer.

It’s a massive weakness among our club’s philosophies that we not only tolerate this, we pretty well encourage it.

 

[1970crow]

He’ll he judged on the spike

I’m guessing he hasn’t yet. I reckon Reid is a pretty good negotiator, but it is reliant on the List Management committee’s rating of the need to keep the player. We’re not going into next year without a seasoned first ruck, and ROB’s camp knows that. So when we buckle, it won’t be because we overvalued his last contract contribution, it’ll be because McAndrew is basically a Strachan replacement and we need a first ruck.

I’d add $300k to his real value to keep him on a 1 year deal. Maybe we could add an injury clause where he gets an extra year at $400k if he suffers an injury that keeps him out for a certain period of time. So if he does his knee round 1 next year, he gets the next year guaranteed at a decent rate.

But overall, he should be embarrassed at the variation between his contract talk intensity and the previous 3 seasons.

 

[Velvet George]

ROB said last week we offered 2 years early on and haven’t spoken since. That doesn’t sound like a club desperate to keep a player.

Maybe he should have played better in the previous years and they are seeing through this spike in form.

 

[1990crow]

ROB said last week we offered 2 years early on and haven’t spoken since. That doesn’t sound like a club desperate to keep a player.

Maybe he should have played better in the previous years and they are seeing through this spike in form.

Pretty sure he'll leave.

 

[Mostyn]

Interested if you're following the young SA rucks which ones do you think could realistically lead an AFL team's rucks next year or the year after.

I'm really just keeping an eye on stats.

Very few of them seem to be dominating in the ruck and they seem to be spending quite a bit of time up forward, which means they seem very up and down.

Goad seemed good but maybe has gone cold. Verrall seems reasonably consistent.

If we re-sign ROB, it's assuming he holds first ruck down for at least a couple more years so the kid has time.

 

[hugecannon]

If ROB does leave how about Pittonet as a stop gap while we develop a younger option.

 

[Peter Doherty]

Seeing some recent comments about players having interstate partners and concern about retaining them. Why can't they just do what the rest of us do and cheat?