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M Malice said:
Besides Will Ashcroft and Tom Doedee is there anyone else on our list that will not be able to have a full no holds barred pre season training block?
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Neale had hernia surgery I believe.

Payne had ankle surgery.

I think(?) Berry had shoulder surgery again.

I could be wrong on all three, just what I think I’ve heard or read.
 
briztoon said:
Neale had hernia surgery I believe.

Payne had ankle surgery.

I think(?) Berry had shoulder surgery again.

I could be wrong on all three, just what I think I’ve heard or read.
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Jimmy Madden (shoulder surgery) and Kai Lohmann (collarbone) also had late season surgeries that may delay their ability to do full-on body contact work when pre-season commences.
 
briztoon said:
Neale had hernia surgery I believe.

Payne had ankle surgery.

I think(?) Berry had shoulder surgery again.

I could be wrong on all three, just what I think I’ve heard or read.
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That's more than I thought been in to see the panel beaters. Lohmann, Michael, Answerth, Madden as well. Ashcroft and Doedee longer term. The medical and fitness teams all ready have their hands full. Neale n Payne are the only ones I'd really like to see up and ready for round 1.

Berry, I'm very happy to see get as much time as needed to improve those shoulders. He needs to add a bit more to his game and if he can get his shoulders good enough for 15 maybe 20 mins a game inside mid at a consistent level, he'll do that. Contract time coming up for him, and I have no doubt he'll be offered one. But it's the difference between an upgrade in cash and years, being best 22 or shorter term, same cash, and knowing your at risk of being overtaken and becoming depth. Big season for him, give him time, get his shoulders good enough and give him the best opportunity to improve.
 

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Berrygood said:
That's more than I thought been in to see the panel beaters. Lohmann, Michael, Answerth, Madden as well. Ashcroft and Doedee longer term. The medical and fitness teams all ready have their hands full. Neale n Payne are the only ones I'd really like to see up and ready for round 1.

Berry, I'm very happy to see get as much time as needed to improve those shoulders. He needs to add a bit more to his game and if he can get his shoulders good enough for 15 maybe 20 mins a game inside mid at a consistent level, he'll do that. Contract time coming up for him, and I have no doubt he'll be offered one. But it's the difference between an upgrade in cash and years, being best 22 or shorter term, same cash, and knowing your at risk of being overtaken and becoming depth. Big season for him, give him time, get his shoulders good enough and give him the best opportunity to improve.
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I don't believe anything is going to improve Berry's shoulders.

I'm also sure his last contract was on pretty decent coin (not C.Cameron type coin). Don't believe he'll ever be offered an upgrade on that type of cash.
 
briztoon said:
Neale had hernia surgery I believe.

Payne had ankle surgery.

I think(?) Berry had shoulder surgery again.

I could be wrong on all three, just what I think I’ve heard or read.
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Correct.
 
With the draft done and dusted I thought I would give next seasons team a go. I'm expecting the AFL to go with 5 subs next year and drop the strategic sub, if that's the case IMO we go back to 2 genuine rucks. With everyone available >

Seniors >

Brandon Starcevich, Jack Payne, Darcy Wilmot.
Keidean Coleman, Harris Andrews, Tom Doedee.

Oscar McInerney, Lachie Neale, Josh Dunkley.
Hugh McCluggage, Will Ashcroft, Jarrod Berry.

Charlie Cameron, Eric Hipwood, Cam Rayner.
Lincoln McCarthy, Joe Daniher, Zac Bailey.

Dev Robertson, Connor McKenna, Dayne Zorko, Jaspa Fletcher, Darcy Fort.
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Reserves >

Shadeau Brain, Darragh Joyce, Carter Michael.
James Madden, Zane Zakostelsky, Ryan Lester.

Henry Smith, Jarryd Lyons, James Tunstill.
Harry Sharp, Callum Ah Chee, Jaxon Prior.

Logan Morris, Luke Lloyd, Noah Answerth.
Reece Torrent, Brandon Ryan, Kai Lohmann.

Kalin Lane, Darcy Gardiner + top ups.
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I think the last 2 spots will be between Dev Robertson, Callum Ah Cheee and Jaspa Fletcher, one of them misses out.[/PLAYERCARD]
 
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M Malice said:
With the draft done and dusted I thought I would give next seasons team a go. I'm expecting the AFL to go with 5 subs next year and drop the strategic sub, if that's the case IMO we go back to 2 genuine rucks. With everyone available >

Seniors >

Brandon Starcevich, Jack Payne, Darcy Wilmot.
Keidean Coleman, Harris Andrews, Tom Doedee.

Oscar McInerney, Lachie Neale, Josh Dunkley.
Hugh McCluggage, Will Ashcroft, Jarrod Berry.

Charlie Cameron, Eric Hipwood, Cam Rayner.
Lincoln McCarthy, Joe Daniher, Zac Bailey.

Dev Robertson, Connor McKenna, Dayne Zorko, Jaspa Fletcher, Darcy Fort.
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Reserves >

Shadeau Brain, Darragh Joyce, Carter Michael.
James Madden, Zane Zane Zakostelsky, Ryan Lester.

Henry Smith, Jarryd Lyons, James Tunstill.
Harry Sharp, Callum Ah Chee, Jaxon Prior.

Logan Morris, Luke Lloyd, Noah Answerth.
Reece Torrent, Darcy Gardiner, Kai Lohmann.

Kalin Lane + top ups.
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I think the last 2 spots will be between Dev Robertson, Callum Ah Cheee and Jaspa Fletcher, one of them misses out.
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Darcy Gardiner?
 
i wonder if we can accomodate all 4 of gardiner, payne, andrews and doedee in the same backline. similar structure to geelongs 2022 defence where they had kolodjashnij, de koning, henry and stewart all playing in the same side, with stanley floating back after ruck contests to offer even more tall support. we could have doedee play the role stewart does at geelong as a pure floating interceptor, whilst gardiner and payne play more lockdown and andrews sits at a happy median of intercepting and playing on his man. starcevich plays small defender, with coleman as a rebounding flanker. makes for a very elite defensive profile if it all clicks

would probably require one of wilmot / mckenna to play further up the ground. i think wilmot has real potential in all 3 areas of the ground, but looks quite settled across half back.
 

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M Malice said:
Bloody hell I knew I missed someone... thanks, I will edit.
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That’s an almighty fall for Darcy Gardiner now.
Relegated to the bench of the vfl team.
Surely we can slot him in for ZZ and put the young fella on the bench.
 
M Malice said:
I'm expecting the AFL to go with 5 subs next year and drop the strategic sub
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Have you heard this as a possibility anywhere?
Or just media talk about what they think should happen?
 
M Malice said:
With the draft done and dusted I thought I would give next seasons team a go. I'm expecting the AFL to go with 5 subs next year and drop the strategic sub, if that's the case IMO we go back to 2 genuine rucks. With everyone available >

Seniors >

Brandon Starcevich, Jack Payne, Darcy Wilmot.
Keidean Coleman, Harris Andrews, Tom Doedee.

Oscar McInerney, Lachie Neale, Josh Dunkley.
Hugh McCluggage, Will Ashcroft, Jarrod Berry.

Charlie Cameron, Eric Hipwood, Cam Rayner.
Lincoln McCarthy, Joe Daniher, Zac Bailey.

Dev Robertson, Connor McKenna, Dayne Zorko, Jaspa Fletcher, Darcy Fort.
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Reserves >

Shadeau Brain, Darragh Joyce, Carter Michael.
James Madden, Zane Zakostelsky, Ryan Lester.

Henry Smith, Jarryd Lyons, James Tunstill.
Harry Sharp, Callum Ah Chee, Jaxon Prior.

Logan Morris, Luke Lloyd, Noah Answerth.
Reece Torrent, Brandon Ryan, Kai Lohmann.

Kalin Lane, Darcy Gardiner + top ups.
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I think the last 2 spots will be between Dev Robertson, Callum Ah Cheee and Jaspa Fletcher, one of them misses out.
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I think you've got the seniors best 23 absolutely right. I'd add Ah Chee to that group should we decide not to play a 2nd ruck.

In the reserves there's a few positional changes I'd make and I think you've missed Reville as well. I think Brain will move back to his fwd position, Answerth back or wing, could even get midfield time. Gardiner definitely a starter. Prior also in the backs over Michael. ZZ bench to start with, Torrent also. Morris, Lloyd, Ryan, Lohmann, Brain and Reville looks a pretty good developing fwd set up.

It is clear tho, that there will be just as much competition for reserves positions as there is for the seniors team. And that has to be great for the club. Certainly pressure on players to perform in this reserve group as well.
 

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Berrygood said:
I think you've got the seniors best 23 absolutely right. I'd add Ah Chee to that group should we decide not to play a 2nd ruck.

In the reserves there's a few positional changes I'd make and I think you've missed Reville as well. I think Brain will move back to his fwd position, Answerth back or wing, could even get midfield time. Gardiner definitely a starter. Prior also in the backs over Michael. ZZ bench to start with, Torrent also. Morris, Lloyd, Ryan, Lohmann, Brain and Reville looks a pretty good developing fwd set up.

It is clear tho, that there will be just as much competition for reserves positions as there is for the seniors team. And that has to be great for the club. Certainly pressure on players to perform in this reserve group as well
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M Malice said:
With the draft done and dusted I thought I would give next seasons team a go. I'm expecting the AFL to go with 5 subs next year and drop the strategic sub, if that's the case IMO we go back to 2 genuine rucks. With everyone available >

Seniors >

Brandon Starcevich, Jack Payne, Darcy Wilmot.
Keidean Coleman, Harris Andrews, Tom Doedee.

Oscar McInerney, Lachie Neale, Josh Dunkley.
Hugh McCluggage, Will Ashcroft, Jarrod Berry.

Charlie Cameron, Eric Hipwood, Cam Rayner.
Lincoln McCarthy, Joe Daniher, Zac Bailey.

Dev Robertson, Connor McKenna, Dayne Zorko, Jaspa Fletcher, Darcy Fort.
_____________________________________________
Reserves >

Shadeau Brain, Darragh Joyce, Carter Michael.
James Madden, Zane Zakostelsky, Ryan Lester.

Henry Smith, Jarryd Lyons, James Tunstill.
Harry Sharp, Callum Ah Chee, Jaxon Prior.

Logan Morris, Luke Lloyd, Noah Answerth.
Reece Torrent, Brandon Ryan, Kai Lohmann.

Kalin Lane, Darcy Gardiner + top ups.
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I think the last 2 spots will be between Dev Robertson, Callum Ah Cheee and Jaspa Fletcher, one of them misses out.
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The seniors look about right. Strong list again as long as they avoid injury.
Slight positional changes I’d make would be Neale in the centre, and Ashcroft to play more the roaming ruck/rover role.
Doedee back pocket, McKenna HBF, and Wilmot on a wing. Berry on the starting bench. He needs a big year. Lots of competition for a wing with Wilmot, Fletcher, Levi next year, and a fully fit Answerth.
I hope for a better year from Starcevich next year. He just didn’t look like himself this year.

As far as the top ups go for the seconds, I thought Wyllie Buzza was last year’s captain. I hope he’s back for another year.
 

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