Looking to the draft...

[earlsta]

We need to target the 2012 draft with all guns blazing, not the 2011 draft.

If Vince wants to leave now, hang onto him for a year.

2012 draft will be a killer, hopefully we don't win another game this year and we fail to win over 5 next year. Then we should get a PP pick, maybe not #1 because GC and Port will probably win less than 5 next year aswell, but we'd get at least a top 3 pick, along with our pick 7 or whatever.

 

[TubbsFarquhar]

Our first pick needs to be a gun mid and Mitchell Grigg from Norwood should be our first priority. A potential A-grade inside mid who smashes the clearances and has a penetrating left boot which is something we severley lack. Hopefully he can make it to our pick, he could be hot property come draft time.

As for our later picks, we may need to look in-depth to unearth some surprising gems.

 

[DANGERZONE123]

Our first pick needs to be a gun mid and Mitchell Grigg from Norwood should be our first priority. A potential A-grade inside mid who smashes the clearances and has a penetrating left boot which is something we severley lack. Hopefully he can make it to our pick, he could be hot property come draft time.

As for our later picks, we may need to look in-depth to unearth some surprising gems.

One player I think we should go after with our 3rd or so pick should be Lachie Neale. He is a little hard nut and can win a clearance. Many are riding him off due to his size, but I can see him becoming a player similar to that of Sam Mitchell.

 

[neddy36]

One player I think we should go after with our 3rd or so pick should be Lachie Neale. He is a little hard nut and can win a clearance. Many are riding him off due to his size, but I can see him becoming a player similar to that of Sam Mitchell.

Has great character and is very coachable. Two qualities that makes Craigy salivate.

 

[Schulzycrow]

Another Top 25 picks from the U18 from the AFL site. Some names already mentioned here, but some others from Vic that would be good picks as well. Here's the link...
http://www.afl.com.au/tabid/208/default.aspx?newsid=118426&utm_medium=RSS

Or read below...
VIC METRO
Hayden Crozier, Eastern Ranges, 24 December 1993, 184cm, 68kg
Sure, he took that screamer against Western Australia, but there's a lot more to the lightly-framed forward/midfielder's game than flashy marking. He kicked a nice goal against Vic Country in the final game of the championships, but the fact that he was involved at the start of that play on the half-back flank, and stayed with it, is what will impress recruiters.

Jonathon Patton, Eastern Ranges, 20 May 1993, 197cm, 95kg
Big Jon's radar in front of goal was a bit off during the carnival - he kicked 18.16 - but he did more than enough to firm as the favourite to be taken first overall in the NAB AFL Draft by GWS. He's quick and agile for a player of his size, marks the ball with authority and can kick goals from long-distance set shots or snaps when the ball hits the deck. Selected in the All Australian team.

Dom Tyson, Northern Knights, 8 June 1993, 186cm, 82kg
The ball-winning midfielder elevated his standing in the eyes of AFL recruiters perhaps more than any other player at the championships. He won't ever be the quickest player on the ground, but his ability to make the right decisions, find space and pinpoint teammates with his damaging left foot puts him in the elite bracket.

Billy Longer, Northern Knights, 12 May 1993, 202cm, 95kg
The skipper of the Vic Metro team is highly regarded for his leadership skills and work ethic. Metro coach Rohan Welsh likens him to West Coast star Dean Cox. He runs all day and can take a big grab up forward. Moves well for a player his size and his strength at the stoppages saw him average 21.5 hitouts per game. Earned All Australian honours.

Liam Sumner, Sandringham Dragons, 16 August 1993, 182cm, 70kg
Kicked six goals for Sandringham to earn himself a late call-up to the AIS-AFL Academy tour of Europe and hasn't looked back. Sumner lost the Dale Thomas-like locks before the champs, but the similar pace, agility and elusiveness remained. Exciting midfielder who can break away from packs, but isn't afraid to get his hands dirty either with 14 tackles in four games.

Will Hoskin-Elliot, Western Jets, 2 September 1993, 190cm, 76kg
Hoskin-Elliot is a real line breaker with a thumping right foot kick. He bombed a goal from 60m against WA and went inside 50 seven times a game on average over the championships. Works well in close and runs hard to link up with teammates. Earned All Australian honours.

Brandon Ellis, Calder Cannons, 3 August 1993, 181cm, 81kg
Ellis is a smart footballer who reads the ball very well and can put himself in the right positions as a result. He was named in the All Australian team after an impressive carnival that saw him average just over 18 possessions a game. In the match against WA he soccered a ball that was going out of bounds onto the chest of a teammate, ran on to take the mark, rode a bump and delivered a perfect long ball inside 50 for Jonathon Patton to run on to.

Toby Greene, Oakleigh Chargers, 15 September 1993, 180cm, 78kg
Greene's ball-winning ability - he averaged 24.5 touches a game - saw him named Metro's MVP and earned him selection in the All Australian team. He's a tough, hard at it onballer with a big tank who excels at setting up a teammate from a pack situation by hand. He's not that quick, but buys himself time with the ball by keeping opposition players guessing with his ability to size up several options quickly and go one way before committing to another.

Michael Talia, Calder Cannons, 11 February 1993, 193cm, 87kg
Talia can occasionally turn it over by foot, but he's a competitive beast who excels in one-on-one contests and runs hard from defence. He had an excellent game against Vic Country in the championship decider on the big stage at Etihad Stadium where he gathered 22 possessions and was credited with eight one percenters. Named in the All Australian team. Brother of Adelaide's Daniel.

Elliot Kavanagh, Western Jets, 19 May 1993, 187cm, 78kg
The mystery man of this year's draft. Didn't play a minute of football at the championships due to hamstring issues, but is a very highly-rated, quick onballer. One to watch out for in the latter stages of the TAC Cup.

SOUTH AUSTRALIA
Chad Wingard, Sturt, 29 July 1993, 181cm, 73kg
The Rolls Royce of the SA midfield reinforced his standing as a prospective top-three pick before he had his carnival cut short when concussed in a Jack Viney tackle in the first quarter of the round four clash against Vic Metro. The courageous onballer showed poise and creativity in averaging 23 possessions over his three games with over half his disposals contested. Is capable of kicking spectacular goals, but is also a clinical finisher from set shots.

Brad McKenzie, Sturt, 29 May 1993, 188cm, 75kg
McKenzie is another player who really moved up in recruiters' estimations with an excellent carnival. What he lacks in elite speed he makes up for with a penetrating left foot kick and his ability to read the play across half-back and through the middle.

Mitchell Grigg, Norwood, 2 January 1993, 183cm, 81kg
Grigg, a mid who can play inside or out, was a key member of the SA team and deserved winner of his state's MVP award. He went inside 50 on 30 occasions in five games and his consistently accurate disposal - he averaged a disposal efficiency of 70.8 per cent across the carnival - saw him named in the All Australian team.

* Ben Kennedy, Glenelg, 3 March 1994, 174cm, 73kg
Kennedy has already played senior football for the Tigers in the SANFL and it showed when he dropped back to his own age group. The poised left footer booted four goals in each of his first two games and impressed with the smooth, efficient manner in which he gets across the ground. Smart player with a thumping kick who gets after the ball carrier inside his own 50.

VIC COUNTRY
Matthew Buntine, Dandenong, 19 October 1993, 188cm, 83kg
Joined the likes of Jack Grimes and Jack Ziebell in winning the AIS-AFL Academy's Ben Mitchell Medal. Limited by shin splints leading into the championships, but the classy defender/midfielder was still able to impress with a cool head down back - particularly in Country's final game against Metro.

Devon Smith, Geelong Falcons, 20 May 1993, 175cm, 73kg
Missed the first game of the champs, but burst onto the scene with 27 possessions and six goals against NT at Visy Park. An onballer that can go forward and find space, Smith is a busy player who excels in the contest. He went inside 50 17 times in four games and laid 17 tackles.

Andrew Boseley, Geelong Falcons, 4 September 1992, 194cm, 80kg
Over-age key defender who has a lanky frame and red hair like Dustin Fletcher and moves a bit like him too. He played on Jonathon Patton in Country's final game of the carnival and kept him to two goals.

Clay Smith, Gippsland Power, 11 May 1993, 180cm, 78kg
Smith is a courageous ball winner who was able to out-mark taller opponents on several occasions throughout the championships. He's a hard runner who can also kick goals. Averaged almost five clearances and four tackles per game throughout the carnival to earn All Australian honours.

Taylor Adams, Geelong Falcons, 30 September 1993, 181cm, 80kg
There's a lot to like about Adams' game. He's a clean user of the ball, shows poise in close and doesn't mind throwing himself about in a pack situation. Averaged just under 19 touches a game throughout the carnival and earned All Australian honours.

* Brad Crouch, North Ballarat, 12 January 1994, 184cm, 83kg
The hard-working midfielder ended the championships on crutches after suffering an ankle injury early in the fourth round clash against WA. The All Australian selectors had seen enough in three games to include him in the prestigious team thanks largely to his average disposal efficiency of 76 per cent a game.

WESTERN AUSTRALIA
Stephen Coniglio, Swan Districts, 15 December 1993, 182cm, 76kg
The classy onballer will be snapped up by GWS with one of its first three picks at the draft on the evidence of his championship performances. He wins his own ball, shows explosive speed away from stoppages and is clean with his disposal by hand and foot. His positioning and sure hands came to the fore when he gathered a loose ball and slotted a great goal on the run in the second quarter against Vic Country. Coniglio received the Larke Medal as the best player in Division One and was also named his team's MVP.

Shane Nelson, West Perth, 11 May 1993, 178cm, 70kg
A real prime mover in WA's midfield, Nelson is a prolific accumulator of possessions. He played every game at the carnival with his standout performance coming against Vic Country at Skilled Stadium. In a team that struggled on the day, Nelson gathered 35 disposals.

* Jaeger O'Meara, Perth, 23 February 1994, 182cm, 75kg
The 17-year-old took big expectations into the championships and he didn't disappoint. His combination of electrifying pace and agility matched with his clean disposal by either foot makes him a tantalising prospect for clubs whose desire to secure his undoubted talent makes him the most likely player to be traded by GWS under the trade incentive scheme.

TASMANIA
Brody Mihocek, Burnie, 4 Feb 1993, 191cm, 86kg
The Burnie Docker was cut down by a hip ailment last season, but the rangy utility made up for lost time during the champs. He was named in the defenders' group in the All Australian team, but displayed an excellent work rate when thrown forward against NT. He's good overhead and coach Matthew Armstrong loves his ability to quickly turn defence into attack when he's in the back half.

John McKenzie, South Launceston, 3 Jun 1993, 177cm, 80kg
The Tassie skipper was his team's MVP and won the Harrison Medal as the best player in Division Two. A real backbone-type player who wins his own ball and has the skills to set up the play once he's in possession.

* Denotes 17-year-old players available to be traded via the GWS trade incentive scheme

 

[Mego Red]

So - GWS claim Bernie Vince. We give them the compensation pick we receive (so they have a draft asset for the future), plus our pick ten for Kennedy and their pick 3 (Wingard).

Any likelihood? You'd be banking on the fact that the compo pick has some value for them, for next year. Maybe not enough ...

 

[lotum]

I heard on the radio that wingard will go to GWS but barracks for the Crows and is friends with Brodie Smith and Brodie Martin let's trade

 

[Big_D231]

So - GWS claim Bernie Vince. We give them the compensation pick we receive (so they have a draft asset for the future), plus our pick ten for Kennedy and their pick 3 (Wingard).

Any likelihood? You'd be banking on the fact that the compo pick has some value for them, for next year. Maybe not enough ...

Id say little to no chance of that trade unless by some miracle our compo pick for vince was in the same band as ablett and even then i dont think theyd go for it.

One or the other could be possible but when you look at it would it be worth it for us, essentially the trade looks like:

Vince + our first rounder + vince compo pick --> Wingard(maybe coniglio if gws decided to take wingard at 2) or kennedy, omeara etc - whoever we can get with our pick in their minidraft for the 17 yearolds.

In reality we wouldnt be giving up vince AND the compo pick seeing as we'd only have the pick if we lost vince through the uncontracted signings, but still overall we'd be be losing a first round draft pick, a quality player and possibly another first round draft pick for either 1 18 yearold untried kid or 1 17 yearold untried kid, who wont even be able to play for us next year

FWIW i rate both wingard and kennedy (and grigg) alot so i dont think i'd be against the trade, but it is a big price to pay. In my ideal situation we would trade, lets say the vince compo pick (have I missed something here, i hadnt heard any rumours of him going) and probably something else as well for a pick in the minidraft to get kennedy and then either try and upgrade our first pick to pick 3 for wingard or if we cant upgrade, take grigg with our first pick.

 

[DANGERZONE123]

So - GWS claim Bernie Vince. We give them the compensation pick we receive (so they have a draft asset for the future), plus our pick ten for Kennedy and their pick 3 (Wingard).

Any likelihood? You'd be banking on the fact that the compo pick has some value for them, for next year. Maybe not enough ...

So pretty much your saying;
GWS: Wingard (Draft pick #3) + Kennedy (Top 10 Draft pick next year in one of the drafts of the decade)
Adelaide: Bernie Vince + Bernie's compo pick (I'd assume end of 1st round due to class, age, previous B&F placing) + What I would assume to be Draft pick #8-12.

If we assume that pick 8-12 would be equal to that of Ben Kennedy the only thing left over is if Bernie Vince + Draft pick #19~ is worth Chad Wingard (#3). Personally, I wouldn't think so.

So unless our first round pick becomes a solid #8 at least, or #6, or we throw in something extra such as a 2nd or 3rd round pick or a mature fringe player, I don't see the trade being fair.
That may seem much, but it is a well known fact that the top 3 draft prospects this year are far and beyond better than those below them.

I mean, Wingard has been refered to as the Rolls Royce of this years draft.

Then again, Bernie might not even want to leave Adelaide, so it's all speculation at the moment.

Edit: If Bernie picks up his form and due to him being 2-3 years younger then Bock (P.S Bock was worth a 2nd band pick, grr!), I can possibly see him being worth a 2nd band pick (Mid first round), if that is the case that would be: Wingard + Kennedy = Bernie Vince + 2012 #10~ + 2011 #8-12. Knightmare believes Kennedy is worth #9 according to his draft on DraftCentral, so the question beckons, is Bernie Vince enough to upgrade our #8-12 pick to a #3???

 

[DANGERZONE123]

So pretty much your saying;
GWS: Wingard (Draft pick #3) + Kennedy (Top 10 Draft pick next year in one of the drafts of the decade)
Adelaide: Bernie Vince + Bernie's compo pick (I'd assume end of 1st round due to class, age, previous B&F placing) + What I would assume to be Draft pick #8-12.

If we assume that pick 8-12 would be equal to that of Ben Kennedy the only thing left over is if Bernie Vince + Draft pick #19~ is worth Chad Wingard (#3). Personally, I wouldn't think so.

So unless our first round pick becomes a solid #8 at least, or #6, or we throw in something extra such as a 2nd or 3rd round pick or a mature fringe player, I don't see the trade being fair.
That may seem much, but it is a well known fact that the top 3 draft prospects this year are far and beyond better than those below them.

I mean, Wingard has been refered to as the Rolls Royce of this years draft.

Then again, Bernie might not even want to leave Adelaide, so it's all speculation at the moment.

Edit: If Bernie picks up his form and due to him being 2-3 years younger then Bock (P.S Bock was worth a 2nd band pick, grr!), I can possibly see him being worth a 2nd band pick (Mid first round), if that is the case that would be: Wingard + Kennedy = Bernie Vince + 2012 #10~ + 2011 #8-12. Knightmare believes Kennedy is worth #9 according to his draft on DraftCentral, so the question beckons, is Bernie Vince enough to upgrade our #8-12 pick to a #3???

In revision of what I said, I think it would be better to not worry about getting Wingard (hopefully he'll get homesick and come back to West Lakes ala Sauce). This year we will get quality young picks in Grigg, Neale, MacKenzie (obviously not all of them, unless we get a priority pick), then make a strong play for Kennedy.
Then the year after that we'll play hard for that draft as well.

I don't see the point, if we are truly rebuilding, in sacrificing several good young players in key areas we need to get one golden boy. That'll just leave us in a situation of an amazing player surrounded by old incompetent midfielders (bar Scotty ). The only way I'd be happy with the trade is if we didn't lose so many picks, and gave up players instead who want opportunity but wont get it. We have to many deficiencies atm. Grigg for all we know could become just as good or better than Wingard, he'll be a top 10 pick for a reason.

I wouldn't be mad if we did do the elaborate trade I mentioned before, I just think it wouldn't be the right move for what I think we are trying to do at this club atm.

 

[scoota10]

This is the lad we should TARGET





* Jaeger O'Meara, Perth, 23 February 1994, 182cm, 75kg
The 17-year-old took big expectations into the championships and he didn't disappoint. His combination of electrifying pace and agility matched with his clean disposal by either foot makes him a tantalising prospect for clubs whose desire to secure his undoubted talent makes him the most likely player to be traded by GWS under the trade incentive scheme.

 

[DANGERZONE123]

This is the lad we should TARGET





* Jaeger O'Meara, Perth, 23 February 1994, 182cm, 75kg
The 17-year-old took big expectations into the championships and he didn't disappoint. His combination of electrifying pace and agility matched with his clean disposal by either foot makes him a tantalising prospect for clubs whose desire to secure his undoubted talent makes him the most likely player to be traded by GWS under the trade incentive scheme.

Any other year I would agree with you, however a small forward of Ben Kennedy's calibre is so rare. I wouldn't be disappointed if we got him instead of Kennedy if we won a spot in the mini draft, but I would expect one of the WA teams to go all out to earn first pick just to get O'Meara. I just believe with Ian Callinan having 1-2 years after this year left in him - until his body no undoubtedly starts to break down, Ben Kennedy would be the perfect to fit the bill in his absence. He is something we have been missing for years, and is extremely important to a FWD line structure of a premiership team, especially with the hard working bring it ground forward we have in Tippett.

His goal kicking is amazing accurately which is nice

 

[Chief Crow]

As I said in the trading thead, we should go hard for the 2nd 2 picks in the mini draft. The 1st pick will be a big package that will land O'Meara. I say go hard for pick 2 and 3. That will leave one pick the following year for GWS to auction off.

My ideal plan would be to trade Vince to Essendon for there 1st round pick which would likely be late teens.
Then package that up with our 1st round pick in the 8 - 12 mark and throw in Maric and Sellar. Them 2 players will give them depth with bigger bodies.

 

[PyroCrow]

Short of trading Thompson we won't touch any of GWS's protected picks in the top 10 this year. We need to go hard for Kennedy which is a realistic possibility since we would be trading with a team that looks like it may be lacking in seasoned AFL players. Vince and compo pick might get it done (hopefully we can chuck in Symes and Cook). Take a risk Craigy!

 

[cammo6556]

Are we likely to have the nuggets to get the Kennedy deal done, honestly? Driving big deals doesn't exactly scream AFC to me...

 

[DANGERZONE123]

As I said in the trading thead, we should go hard for the 2nd 2 picks in the mini draft. The 1st pick will be a big package that will land O'Meara. I say go hard for pick 2 and 3. That will leave one pick the following year for GWS to auction off.

My ideal plan would be to trade Vince to Essendon for there 1st round pick which would likely be late teens.
Then package that up with our 1st round pick in the 8 - 12 mark and throw in Maric and Selar. Them 2 players will give them depth with bigger bodies.

If our first pick is early (below 6-8) I don't think we should use the pick we would most likely get from Essendon. That high pick should be enough with Sellar, Maric and maybe a fringe player (Armstrong is from NSW I think). That should allow us to get a quality mid this year such as a MacKenzie if we're lucky.

Not many other teams that would be interested in the mini draft don't have much to offer like Brisbane or Port except picks that would be similar in value to our first pick. The only other team I think we should be worried about is Gold Coast. Though I'd doubt Kennedy would want to go there, a lot of the kids I hear are having home sickness problems. He might just deny the offer.

 

[DANGERZONE123]

Short of trading Thompson we won't touch any of GWS's protected picks in the top 10 this year. We need to go hard for Kennedy which is a realistic possibility since we would be trading with a team that looks like it may be lacking in seasoned AFL players. Vince and compo pick might get it done (hopefully we can chuck in Symes and Cook). Take a risk Craigy!

What compo pick? We traded our one from last year for Tambling, and the one we might get for Walker would be band 4, maybe 3 due to age and potential, but that'd be the max and only if he hits some form for the rest of the year. Maybe you meant priority pick, but even that is a reach atm. I can see us winning atleast one more game for the year.

 

[captainMyCaptain]

looks like you guys won't be players in the u17 mini draft

ADELAIDE has all but ruled out making a play for Glenelg teenager Ben Kennedy in a complicated bidding system that will see Greater Western Sydney auction off access to a pool of eligible 17-year-olds to the club, or clubs with the highest bid.

Adelaide made an informal approach to GWS about the classy ball winner, but walked away from the conversation doubting they would be willing pay the Giants' hefty asking price.

In fact, the Crows deemed a deal with GWS to be so unlikely they decided against submitting a list of players of interest to the AFL by the July 1 deadline.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/118480/default.aspx

 

[JP Sauce]

Way to go Adelaide! That's the spirit

 

[cammo6556]

looks like you guys won't be players in the u17 mini draft




http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/118480/default.aspx

We lack some serious crouits. What a weak administration we have.

Thanks for the heads up mate

 

[thebirdman 24]

Classic Adelaide.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

If the asking price is truly too high then all the other clubs won't deal for him either.

 

[cammo6556]

We had better have something spectacular planned for our draft picks...

Honestly, at what point does this become intentional sabotage?

 

[cammo6556]

If the asking price is truly too high then all the other clubs won't deal for him either.

Someone will... And in years to come when he is decimating teams single handedly, nobody will remember his initial price.

 

[PyroCrow]

What compo pick? We traded our one from last year for Tambling, and the one we might get for Walker would be band 4, maybe 3 due to age and potential, but that'd be the max and only if he hits some form for the rest of the year. Maybe you meant priority pick, but even that is a reach atm. I can see us winning atleast one more game for the year.

If GWS sign Walker as one of their uncontracted players we are entitled to a compo pick of (unlikely) equal value. Yes, this pick would be crap but GWS wouldn't care about the pick they get back in the deal, they are looking to add players to their list that can compete immediately, e.g. Vince.

Our priority pick (probably pick 10) won't get moved because AFC management won't burn down the whole house to bring in one kid who hasn't been tested at AFL level (Kennedy), they simply don't take those sort of risks. I cannot promise you that Walker will move, though it seems highly likely that he will since he hasn't exactly gone to great lengths to squash the rumours of his departure.

GWS will be watching how GC have played this year and what has worked/not worked for them. One of the areas that GC has struggled with is dealing with the bigger bodies of seasoned AFL players in the backline and in the midfield. GWS will consider these problems when they draft and recruit talent. From a recruitment standpoint adding players like Vince with Scully, Deledio, Goddard etc (if they go of course) will prevent them getting blown out by 150+ points every week, something they cannot afford in a hostile Sydney market. While marketability is important to this new team (i.e. Israel Falou), competitiveness is what will maintain the long term interest of fickle NSW supporters in the club's first season.

Thus, IMHO a GWS trade involving a spot in the mini draft (to be used on Kennedy), Vince (who has been rumoured to be exploring trade options with Essendon, who can blame him?), our Walker Compo Pick (probably 3rd or 4th round) + maybe a throw in (e.g. Moran?) is a realistic possibility.