Current Major incident at Bondi Junction

[ms finch]

Not sure about that. It's incredible what medical science has achieved so far and who knows what it will achieve for mental health in the future. Ingrained intergenerational misogyny? Short of a targeted sterilisation program (unlikely), I can't see a realistic solution

I tend to think that over the next 50 or so years we will make significant strides with some disorders, as we come to understand them better from a neurological perspective. I also think eventually we will refer to some of them as neurological issues rather than mental health issues.

 

[PenfoldsFan]

You've been engaging on this board for a while and I know you know, that even the Claremont serial killer was kind to most women. Until he decided to kill them.

Ted Bundy also had many who simply refused to believe he was a serial killer of women.

BRE had an emotional attachment to a Wife who slept with and was impregnated by their boarder, nothing in common with this case to suggest an experience of its kind with Women caused this.

That you and Pamcake want this to be about mysogynism in the absence of clear proof says more about you both than this guy.

 

[Kurve]

BRE had an emotional attachment to a Wife who slept with and was impregnated by their boarder, nothing in common with this case to suggest an experience of its kind with Women caused this.

That you and Pamcake want this to be about mysogynism in the absence of clear proof says more about you both than this guy.

I was addressing and countering your point here with examples:

Because from the few Women who have come forward to share their experiences with him it appears as though he treated them with kindness.

I don't want this to be about misogyny, rather that element can't be ignored given his targets on the day, nor can mental illness be ignored.

 

[owen87]

Ted Bundy also had many who simply refused to believe he was a serial killer of women.

As has been mentioned, there's a substantial difference between a schizophrenic and someone like Bundy who is likely what's commonly known as a sociopath (anti-social personality disorder).

Mental Illness is a really, really broad category in the same way (again, as has been mentioned) lumping a broken leg, cancer and a heart attack together as 'physical illness' would be an incredibly broad and relatively useless activity.

 

[Kurve]

As has been mentioned, there's a substantial difference between a schizophrenic and someone like Bundy who is likely what's commonly known as a sociopath (anti-social personality disorder).

Mental Illness is a really, really broad category in the same way (again, as has been mentioned) lumping a broken leg, cancer and a heart attack together as 'physical illness' would be an incredibly broad and relatively useless activity.

I have some experience watching a close friend develop schizophrenia It took a while for any of us to realise what it was. He began misidentifying people around him, calling them by someone else's name as if they were this other person. I knew who he was referring to. It was people he'd had problems with or didn't like. Then he'd launch, so violent he was almost unstoppable.

He didn't kill anybody but I thought he might. He started ringing me at odd hours saying I was talking to him through his clock radio and had told him to ring. I went down when he wasn't home, the clock radio was there but I found some other real odd things

He was dead within a couple of weeks, killed himself

 

[owen87]

I have some experience watching a close friend develop schizophrenia It took a while for any of us to realise what it was. He began misidentifying people around him, calling them by someone else's name as if they were this other person. I knew who he was referring to. It was people he'd had problems with or didn't like. Then he'd launch, so violent he was almost unstoppable.

He didn't kill anybody but I thought he might. He started ringing me at odd hours saying I was talking to him through his clock radio and had told him to ring. I went down when he wasn't home, the clock radio was there but I found some other real odd things.

He was dead within a couple of weeks, killed himself

I do recall reading that the violence most often results in suicide, not murder. But it's only a degree of separation when they're having an episode and have lost touch with reality I imagine.

 

[Kurve]

I do recall reading that the violence most often results in suicide, not murder. But it's only a degree of separation when they're having an episode and have lost touch with reality I imagine.

Of course I don't understand everything about schizophrenia but he was a close friend I'd known since childhood and my point is, that when he became violent it was directed at people he hated, it wasn't phantoms he was trying to kill it was specific people, even if he had misidentified them.

 

[Babylove]

Man wrongly identified as Bondi Junction stabber pursues defamation case against Network Seven

University student Benjamin Cohen was falsely accused of being the stabber behind the Bondi Junction Westfield attack on Saturday, following misinformation that was spread online.

www.abc.net.au

Not a major shock but the kid that was wrongly identified as the perpetrator of the Bondi Junction stabbing is suing Channel 7 for defamation.

 

[Kurve]

As has been mentioned, there's a substantial difference between a schizophrenic and someone like Bundy who is likely what's commonly known as a sociopath (anti-social personality disorder).

I was addressing Penfold's argument that simply because the offender was kind to women on other occasions, doesn't mean he isn't capable of killing them.

 

[Toump Ass]

When he became violent it was directed at people he hated.

But why did he hate them?

An irrational person obviously isn’t making sound judgements. Maybe he thought the people were poisoning his mind or controlling him (these are common delusions).

Maybe Cauchi thought women were demons.

 

[Xtreme]

Man wrongly identified as Bondi Junction stabber pursues defamation case against Network Seven

University student Benjamin Cohen was falsely accused of being the stabber behind the Bondi Junction Westfield attack on Saturday, following misinformation that was spread online.

www.abc.net.au

Not a major shock but the kid that was wrongly identified as the perpetrator of the Bondi Junction stabbing is suing Channel 7 for defamation.

7 deserve to be sued into oblivion.

 

[owen87]

I was addressing Penfold's argument that simply because the offender was kind to women on other occasions, doesn't mean he isn't capable of killing them.

I don't believe they meant it that way.

 

[Satan]

7 deserve to be sued into oblivion.

Maybe the can sack bt to save money?

 

[Kurve]

But why did he hate them?

An irrational person obviously isn’t making sound judgements. Maybe he thought the people were poisoning his mind or controlling him (these are common delusions).

Maybe Cauchi thought women were demons.

It was over women and money.

Maybe he did think women were demons. Do you remember the truck driver who was apparently taking a heap of ice at the time, veered off the freeway and killed four police officers, Mohinder Singh?

He later said he thought they were witches. Not warlocks. Witches.

 

[Kurve]

I don't believe they meant it that way.

Okay, I will rephrase that.

Simply because Cauchi was kind to some women doesn't mean he isn't capable of hating on and killing them. That doesn't mean either that he couldn't be a misogynist.

 

[BFew]

It's incredible what medical science has achieved so far and who knows what it will achieve for mental health in the future.

For example. See below.

Everyone Was Wrong About Antipsychotics

An unprecedented look at dopamine in the brain reveals that psychosis drugs get developed with the wrong neurons in mind.

www.wired.com

Everyone Was Wrong About Antipsychotics​

An unprecedented look at dopamine in the brain reveals that psychosis drugs get developed with the wrong neurons in mind.

MAX G. LEVY
SCIENCE
AUG 7, 2023 8:00 AM

'Antipsychotics don’t work for about 30 percent of people who try them. They’re plagued by side effects, from extreme lethargy to unwanted facial movements, and rarely address the cognitive symptoms of psychosis, like social withdrawal and poor working memory.'

'Parker’s current plan is to test what happens when he blocks the D1 receptor just sometimes, with drugs called “partial agonists.” The drugs compensate for high dopamine and low dopamine. It’s a different approach than just blocking dopamine altogether, and Parker hopes his new results bode well for D1 partial agonists in particular. That’s because despite having more dopamine in their striatum, people with schizophrenia actually have lower dopamine levels in their cortex, a feature that neuroscientists think contributes to social withdrawal and forgetfulness. “Such a drug could be both antipsychotic and cognition-promoting,” Parker says. His lab has begun testing candidates.'

 

[Pamcake1]

At 17, Joel Cauchi was diagnosed with schizophrenia. But his path to murdering six people started five years ago

A month ago, Joel Cauchi's parents were relieved to see a text message showing him enjoying life at the beach. Next time they saw him it was on national television as he attacked people in a Sydney shopping centre.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Toump Ass]

I’ve been known to dabble in Witchcraft too.

It’s not exclusively a female term fyi, three quarters of the people accused of witchcraft in Russia were men.

 

[jason_recliner]

For example. See below.

Everyone Was Wrong About Antipsychotics

An unprecedented look at dopamine in the brain reveals that psychosis drugs get developed with the wrong neurons in mind.

www.wired.com

Everyone Was Wrong About Antipsychotics​

An unprecedented look at dopamine in the brain reveals that psychosis drugs get developed with the wrong neurons in mind.

MAX G. LEVY
SCIENCE
AUG 7, 2023 8:00 AM

'Antipsychotics don’t work for about 30 percent of people who try them. They’re plagued by side effects, from extreme lethargy to unwanted facial movements, and rarely address the cognitive symptoms of psychosis, like social withdrawal and poor working memory.'

'Parker’s current plan is to test what happens when he blocks the D1 receptor just sometimes, with drugs called “partial agonists.” The drugs compensate for high dopamine and low dopamine. It’s a different approach than just blocking dopamine altogether, and Parker hopes his new results bode well for D1 partial agonists in particular. That’s because despite having more dopamine in their striatum, people with schizophrenia actually have lower dopamine levels in their cortex, a feature that neuroscientists think contributes to social withdrawal and forgetfulness. “Such a drug could be both antipsychotic and cognition-promoting,” Parker says. His lab has begun testing candidates.'

Exactly, that study found they are useful for 70% of people, quite amazing, and we are really only in the early days. Who knows what nano-tech, molecular biology, genetic manipulation, AI, even quantum field dynamics will bring in the future?

 

[ms finch]

Of course I don't understand everything about schizophrenia but he was a close friend I'd known since childhood and my point is, that when he became violent it was directed at people he hated, it wasn't phantoms he was trying to kill it was specific people, even if he had misidentified them.

Slightly off topic question, although on the topic of schizophrenia.

I had a close friend from childhood develop severe schizophrenic symptoms and ultimately be diagnosed in his late 20s (might have been early 30s). When I looked back to our childhood, though, I realised that there had been a lot of strange things that he said or did back then that, in hindsight, were indicative of problem thought patterns and disordered thinking. I'd seen them at the time and thought he was odd, but obviously as a child I didn't really process them or comprehend them in any broader picture sense.

One thing that I remember vividly when we were teenagers was watching a documentary about Einstein and from this documentary he developed a whole theory about Einstein actually being a reincarnation of Jesus, claiming that this was evident from the documentary - he was quoting and interpreting and connecting things in the documentary that weren't there.

I wondered if you looked back and saw anything from your friend's childhood that may have been indicative?

(This is not about debating anything as per the discussion in the thread; I'm just genuinely interested in your experience given my own.)

 

[BFew]

Cauchi's father without hesitation, on being asked why he thought his son had targeted women for murder said "Yes, he wants a girlfriend, he's frustrated out of his brain"

Maybe Cauchi thought he could both access an unlimited supply of "girlfriends" and make a decent living to be able to live independently from family and the State, from becoming a sex worker.

Maybe his experiences being, or trying to be a sex worker did not meet his expectations, and the result of this significantly contributed to the murderous and ultimately kamikaze Bondi Junction massacre. (Possibly along with a combination of illicit drug taking and a psychosis relapse/episode).

 

[owen87]

Okay, I will rephrase that.

Simply because Cauchi was kind to some women doesn't mean he isn't capable of hating on and killing them.

I took their post as responding to the misogyny commentary, nothing at all about whether he was capable of it - obviously he was capable of killing women.

 

[ms finch]

Maybe Cauchi thought he could both access an unlimited supply of "girlfriends" and make a decent living to be able to live independently from family and the State, from becoming a sex worker.

Maybe his experiences being, or trying to be a sex worker did not meet his expectations, and the result of this significantly contributed to the murderous and ultimately kamikaze Bondi Junction massacre. (Possibly along with a combination of illicit drug taking and a psychosis relapse/episode).

As a former sex worker and with many male friends who are also sex workers, I found Cauchi's profiles laughable. I've even wondered if he got escort sites confused with dating sites. He used his real name, for starters, and his photographs and profile were about him being an average guy looking for fun and connection. I'd be shocked if he even got a booking. Whatever his expectations were, I doubt they were met.

He also wouldn't be the first guy to think that being on an escort site was a way to meet women and/or have casual sex. It never works out that way.

 

[Pamcake1]

https://www.themercury.com.au/news/breaking-news/experts-weigh-in-on-motive-behind-bondi-junction-massacre/news-story/4a10ec0a06a7ab3b210c6af9abf38761

 

[Kurve]

Slightly off topic question, although on the topic of schizophrenia.

I had a close friend from childhood develop severe schizophrenic symptoms and ultimately be diagnosed in his late 20s (might have been early 30s). When I looked back to our childhood, though, I realised that there had been a lot of strange things that he said or did back then that, in hindsight, were indicative of problem thought patterns and disordered thinking. I'd seen them at the time and thought he was odd, but obviously as a child I didn't really process them or comprehend them in any broader picture sense.

One thing that I remember vividly when we were teenagers was watching a documentary about Einstein and from this documentary he developed a whole theory about Einstein actually being a reincarnation of Jesus, claiming that this was evident from the documentary - he was quoting and interpreting and connecting things in the documentary that weren't there.

I wondered if you looked back and saw anything from your friend's childhood that may have been indicative?

(This is not about debating anything as per the discussion in the thread; I'm just genuinely interested in your experience given my own.)

I've thought a lot about anything that was odd in his behaviour when we were younger and that I might have paid more attention to but nothing stands out.

A real strange conversation in his early twenties about a Stephen King book he'd read, that unnerved me a bit and I briefly wondered if he realised it was fiction. Then I thought I probably misunderstood what he was saying.