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Cat_flying_high said:
It doesn't matter who they are - Indians "taking our jobs", Australians, Americans or whoever - the fact is is that tens of thousands of human beings are dying or dead because of this tragic event. If every Australian donated $10 that would be undoubtedly a massive help of $200 000 000. Sadly enough, I can't see half of Australia bothering to reach into their pockets for this one.

I have an idea. Why don't the Australian Government donates $200,000,000 then instead of the 10 mill. They can take $10 out of the inflated tax I pay.

1 million people a year die from AIDS yet we don't see people reaching it mentioned all the time. Whilst this is a tragic event its more the fact it is such a freak event that is getting it the publicity it does but in the scheme of other diseases and disasters we have had its not the biggest.
 
vanders said:
Yet to seem to be ignorant to the facts why they have kept alot of it!

It's for future care of the Bali victims because alot of them will need it :rolleyes:

If you're going to try for a rebuttal in a debate, do some research. There are things called administration fees which ate into donations. Next time you're stopped by people hawking Oxfam at your local ask how much they're getting to sell it to you. I knew a bloke who was in charge of the state branch of Freedom From Hunger and he told me that only 10% of donations make it to the people in need, the rest is used to actually run the organisation.

I love it when someone who is completely wrong uses a rolleye smiley in some attempt to make another look stupid.
 
Total Package said:
I have an idea. Why don't the Australian Government donates $200,000,000 then instead of the 10 mill. They can take $10 out of the inflated tax I pay.

I'm cool with that, even make it $50.
 
Docker_Brat said:
If you're going to try for a rebuttal in a debate, do some research. There are things called administration fees which ate into donations. Next time you're stopped by people hawking Oxfam at your local ask how much they're getting to sell it to you. I knew a bloke who was in charge of the state branch of Freedom From Hunger and he told me that only 10% of donations make it to the people in need, the rest is used to actually run the organisation.

I love it when someone who is completely wrong uses a rolleye smiley in some attempt to make another look stupid.

Actually didn't the Red Cross just recently get found out to have been doing something dodgy with the money people were donating and it wasnt getting to those it should have been?
 

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Total Package said:
Actually didn't the Red Cross just recently get found out to have been doing something dodgy with the money people were donating and it wasnt getting to those it should have been?

Hence my comment. I reckon I was being polite by using the term "admin fees". Should've seen some of the things that donations were wasted on at FFH.
 
Docker_Brat said:
I'm cool with that, even make it $50.

See what ********es me off is election time the Govt always seems to have these "Budget surpluses" and give everyone back $50 or something ridiculous in tax cuts which are completely useless but only there to win votes. Why not cut the crap and keep the surplus money and put it in a disaster relief fund. You may not need to use it for a few years but when you do you can give Billions away for exactly this occassion.
 
Total Package said:
Actually didn't the Red Cross just recently get found out to have been doing something dodgy with the money people were donating and it wasnt getting to those it should have been?

Absolutely correct.
Wouldn't be giving anything to Red Cross after what happened with the "Bali" donations.
 
It's a shame that some people are too young to understand let alone remember what masses of good the Red Cross have done in their history. Everything from their still running processes of blood banks and employment programs to emergency and disaster relief, care packages to those fighting in the wars, supporting displaced people and relocating them to new homes/provinces/countries.

My mother's life was saved 25 years ago by the Red Cross blood bank donations after she had an horrific car accident.

If everyone was as cynical as some on this thread, she wouldn't be alive today to enjoy life and her grandchildren.

Under no circumstances would I ever hesitate to utilise a Red Cross donation service.
 
When the European Union only give a few million dollars it doesnt exactly inspire me to feel like i need to donate. In my opinion it is totally up to the government to donate money. The chances of the money we donate actually going to those people are pretty slim in my opinion, whereas if the government are sending aid then atleast we know its going to the right people. I aint gonna donate money when it is more than likely to go to pay some guys paycheck who works for the Red Cross. The govt should just donate on our behalf and charities like Red Cross should stay out and let the govt do there job.
 
F-U said:
When the European Union only give a few million dollars it doesnt exactly inspire me to feel like i need to donate. In my opinion it is totally up to the government to donate money. The chances of the money we donate actually going to those people are pretty slim in my opinion, whereas if the government are sending aid then atleast we know its going to the right people. I aint gonna donate money when it is more than likely to go to pay some guys paycheck who works for the Red Cross. The govt should just donate on our behalf and charities like Red Cross should stay out and let the govt do there job.

Just another case of pass the buck onto someone else hey? Let the government do it. No need for the everday layperson to exert themselves to help out fellow human beings.

If it wasn't for governments cocking up stuff so badly in the first place there never would have been the need for organisations like the Red Cross. There would be peace on earth and good will to all men, and group hugs all round.

People need to stop being so cynical and self-righteous and start appreciating how lucky we are that this hasn't happened to us, or your family, or those you know. And think about what it would be like if this had happened here, and others around the world were just as eager to pass the buck. We'd be stuffed. The old adage of 'do unto others as you would have done to you' is very apt in these times of disaster.
 
What if it was you in this situation, what if your loved ones were holidaying and caught up in this nightmare?

I am amazed at the amount of uncaring selfish people on this board.

It could have been us here in Australia, would we want the rest of the world to ignore our please for help?

I just can't get the images of the poor babies out of my head, all lined up and dead.They never stood a chance in life.

I am privilaged, I am warm and secure and helathy and have a full tummy.These people have lost their families,their homes, thye have no running water, no food.If my money can give one perrson something, then I am grateful.

You guys should be ashamed of yourselves.
 

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campbell said:
You guys should be ashamed of yourselves.

For choosing not to send our hard earned money elsewhere (albeit for a good cause) we should be ashamed of ourselves? What about those that can't afford to donate money, should we be ashamed of ourselves or should we be looking after ourselves?
 
campbell said:
What if it was you in this situation, what if your loved ones were holidaying and caught up in this nightmare?

I am amazed at the amount of uncaring selfish people on this board.

It could have been us here in Australia, would we want the rest of the world to ignore our please for help?

I just can't get the images of the poor babies out of my head, all lined up and dead.They never stood a chance in life.

I am privilaged, I am warm and secure and helathy and have a full tummy.These people have lost their families,their homes, thye have no running water, no food.If my money can give one perrson something, then I am grateful.

You guys should be ashamed of yourselves.


People should be ashamed of themselves because they want tax money to be ready go in event of this kind of thing and make sure that the victims get 100% of the aid? Ohhhhh Kaaaaayyyy.....
 
Angry Dragon said:
People should be ashamed of themselves because they want tax money to be ready go in event of this kind of thing and make sure that the victims get 100% of the aid? Ohhhhh Kaaaaayyyy.....

No. People shouldn't just be so selfish that they lump the responsibility of it onto the government and use the old 'we pay tax let them use that' line.

It's about the fact that regardless of stupid selfishness and mistrust and cynicism and material and financial greed, one person can really make a difference. It's a sad refelction on our society that people are so quick to pass the buck and make it someone elses problem or responsibility, and are happy to go out and buy junk at post xmas sales but not donate $10 to help the victims of this disaster.
 

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Haha, got to laugh at those saying "if you don't give money then don't expect help if this happens to us". I can just imagine all the poor Indians throwing in a few rupees each to help us. FFS.

If this happened to us, it'd be the various governments that help us financially, not Joe & Jane Singh from Mumbai. The Australian Government is donating $10 million, and will more than likely end up as much more - given that it's my tax dollars being spent, I feel that in a way I'm contributing through that.

I'd rather put $10 towards a house deposit, ensuring that if and when I have a family they're going to be well looked after. If $10 can make a difference over there, it sure as hell can make a difference for me getting a house.
 
L-Nizzy said:
Haha, got to laugh at those saying "if you don't give money then don't expect help if this happens to us". I can just imagine all the poor Indians throwing in a few rupees each to help us. FFS.

If this happened to us, it'd be the various governments that help us financially, not Joe & Jane Singh from Mumbai. The Australian Government is donating $10 million, and will more than likely end up as much more - given that it's my tax dollars being spent, I feel that in a way I'm contributing through that.

I'd rather put $10 towards a house deposit, ensuring that if and when I have a family they're going to be well looked after. If $10 can make a difference over there, it sure as hell can make a difference for me getting a house.

Selfish ********ing attitude. You're a disgrace.

I know people who earn less than half the annual average income who still managed to chip in for this fund and others. Australians have always been a generous nation and that's one of the things that give us strength.

That's like me saying that because I put in more tax money than you, you are entitled to less health care or any assistance. Losers like you bring this country down.
 
vanders said:
Yet to seem to be ignorant to the facts why they have kept alot of it!

It's for future care of the Bali victims because alot of them will need it :rolleyes:

its funny how you think you know what your talking about. They kept it for other parts of there 'charity' work NOT linked to bali, then there was a uproar about it so they changed their mind, and said the reast was going to help bali ppl and not aussies anyway. Thats what REALLY happened, so dont be a smartarse if you have no idea what your talking about
 
docker_azza said:
I cant even afford a holiday like those Australians involved in the tsunami.

FFS. so because they could afford a holiday, you don't want to help them out for the pain & injuries they have suffered, or loss of their family members.

Also, most of the help will be going to the victims who live in the stricken countries, to help them rebuild their lives.
 
Some people on this board are just impossible to describe, actually, some are a bunch of ****** tight A****ES.

Spare us your pathetic tax excuses.

There's something called a conscience, and there's also something called karma.

They'll find you.

I can't believe some of the people on here are human.
 

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