Malthouse sees potential in Brown

[Rohan25]

lol.

Well gosh, how could any of us argue with supreme wit such as that?

 

[scottywiper]

I think I will go with the Herald-Sun opinion that Brown could be a real steal at pick #73 than your biased opinion. According to the Age poll, most people feel he will have more success than the other three players that were drafted from other clubs as well. He will have far better facilities and better staff to help him than he had at North. He will have more talented teammates than he had at North as well.

Good call, go with a random poll on a website probably voted on by people who know stuff all about the Anvil, rather than the thoughts of someone who has probably seen more Brown games than just about anyone in Australia.
As for the other stuff about better team-mates, facilities, staff, etc, whatever keeps you warm at night.
I said the same things about Brown when North picked him up and got howled down on our board, but slowly people saw the real story.
If he does well, good luck to him and you, but I just have seen no evidence of it in almost 10 years of football.

 

[Godfrey Jones]

north and their fans are so insignificant

why are they telling us their opinions??

anyways, how great have our drafts been since 05?? good stuff.. its too early to really judge these blokes that we have picked up but looks promising.

 

[Pie eyed]

Good call, go with a random poll on a website probably voted on by people who know stuff all about the Anvil, rather than the thoughts of someone who has probably seen more Brown games than just about anyone in Australia.
As for the other stuff about better team-mates, facilities, staff, etc, whatever keeps you warm at night.
I said the same things about Brown when North picked him up and got howled down on our board, but slowly people saw the real story.
If he does well, good luck to him and you, but I just have seen no evidence of it in almost 10 years of football.

Have to ask...
Is your user name relevant to your position on the board?

 

[Chase the Ace]

This pick stinks of Malthouse getting his dirty little hand into the drafting pot.

Is that because at pick 73 everyone knows there is a gun player left in the pool?

 

[KissStephanie]

Good call, go with a random poll on a website probably voted on by people who know stuff all about the Anvil, rather than the thoughts of someone who has probably seen more Brown games than just about anyone in Australia.

I absolutely will go with the random poll because it's more of a guide to me that some random poster such as yourself. Most people felt that he will be the most successful of the four players that were drafted from other clubs, and I tend to agree. The Herald-Sun also said that he could be a real steal which also means more to me than your opinion.

As for the other stuff about better team-mates, facilities, staff, etc, whatever keeps you warm at night.

What are you on about? Is this an example of your debating skills? Collingwood do have better facilities, staff and more talented teammates than he had at North, and I believe it will result in significant improvement in Leigh Brown.

I said the same things about Brown when North picked him up and got howled down on our board, but slowly people saw the real story.

I don't believe that you said the same thing about Brown when he was recruited by North. You did not show the quote of when you said it, so please share it.

If he does well, good luck to him and you, but I just have seen no evidence of it in almost 10 years of football.

Well maybe you should open both eyes then. I have looked at his stats and what he has been able to do at times, and there is definitely potential for improvement and sustained and more consistent performances. Time will tell, but if there is any club that can get the best out of him, then it is Collingwood. North Melbourne weren't able to do so.

 

[cakewalk_1]

James Hird was taken at pick 79...

That was back in 1876 when we caught steam engines to the games, You will find that things are different now and most clubs have more information about the players coming through the system at Junior levels. Most often than not they get it right with the early picks. You will never see another James Hird type go at pick 79.

 

[popathon]

Why did the members receive emails telling us that the reason we turned down Cousins was because we were going with youth, then we go and draft a 27 year old?

 

[Hells K1tch3n]

Why did the members receive emails telling us that the reason we turned down Cousins was because we were going with youth, then we go and draft a 27 year old?

Because 27 could be considered youth, depending on your definition of it. Youth in itself is a very fluid concept. In this instance a 27 year old Brown would be considered more youthful a 31 year old Cousins (both ages as of next season)

 

[shawthing09]

Why did the members receive emails telling us that the reason we turned down Cousins was because we were going with youth, then we go and draft a 27 year old?

Because big Leroy is set to get a brain implant giving him something, anything that could ressemble football IQ, His going to get a full heart transplant which will put an end to his chronic peaheartitis. He is then set to get some world first cybernetics put into his legs to make him not so much of a plodder.

This massive overhaul and revamp will see a brand new big Leroy Brown born and one who is capable of playing for another 10 years at full back for Collingwood.

My stupid nothing hyberbole is about as realistic as peoples expectation that he will pull a Medhurst and be a massive find. Medhurst was a good footballer out of favour and who had trouble putting it together in competition with Farmer. Wakelin was a good footballer arsed due to a youth policy.

Brown is a woeful footballer. Always has been. His got an average hovering around the 10 touches a game mark over 180 odd games. Has been arsed 2wce. Most recentally from a side desperate for a player with his sort of size. They have the equivilant of Harry O type player as their number 1 full back and a Maccaffer type player (Edwardes) as their key foward going into this coming season and Brown is still not required.

 

[Snag Breac]

Because big Leroy is set to get a brain implant giving him something, anything that could ressemble football IQ, His going to get a full heart transplant which will put an end to his chronic peaheartitis. He is then set to get some world first cybernetics put into his legs to make him not so much of a plodder.

This massive overhaul and revamp will see a brand new big Leroy Brown born and one who is capable of playing for another 10 years at full back for Collingwood.

My stupid nothing hyberbole is about as realistic as peoples expectation that he will pull a Medhurst and be a massive find. Medhurst was a good footballer out of favour and who had trouble putting it together in competition with Farmer. Wakelin was a good footballer arsed due to a youth policy.

Brown is a woeful footballer. Always has been. His got an average hovering around the 10 touches a game mark over 180 odd games. Has been arsed 2wce. Most recentally from a side desperate for a player with his sort of size. They have the equivilant of Harry O type player as their number 1 full back and a Maccaffer type player (Edwardes) as their key foward going into this coming season and Brown is still not required.

So his selection was a sign of desperation?

 

[Keele]

Why did the members receive emails telling us that the reason we turned down Cousins was because we were going with youth, then we go and draft a 27 year old?

Maybe you need to read your emails more carefully and or take more time to comprehend.

As you would be aware Collingwood has a very clear recruiting strategy to invest in the development of young talent which has been in place for a number of years. While the club will always explore specific opportunities to bring in experienced players to bolster the team, our overriding preference is to recruit youthful talent that will be with the club for the next 10 years.

As you can see... the startegy is on youth and the club states it will explore specific chances... which in this case we took our first picks for youth and used our last on an experienced player to bolster the side where it is specifically required.

 

[duds0101]

James Hird was taken at pick 79...

That was back in 1876 when we caught steam engines to the games, You will find that things are different now and most clubs have more information about the players coming through the system at Junior levels. Most often than not they get it right with the early picks. You will never see another James Hird type go at pick 79.

True and Scott Burns was pick 90 in the day. Also Leigh Brown I noticed has his best stats against Carlton.http://stats.rleague.com/afl/stats/players/L/Leigh_Brown.html
=D.

 

[scottywiper]

.I don't believe that you said the same thing about Brown when he was recruited by North. You did not show the quote of when you said it, so please share it.Well maybe you should open both eyes then. I

May 2003, days after I joined BF:
"He's averaging about five touches a game and is as slow as a wet week.
He's too slow to play down back, not good enough overhead to play up forward and not tall enough to play in the ruck.
This is why Freo traded him - his only good game last year was when he played as a loose man in defence against Essendon, without an opponent.
People keep saying what a great recruit he is, but while he might be a good guy but has great limitations in his game."


from this thread started by me: http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=68680&highlight=brown

 

[Old Spice]

People need to start using their imaginations more with Brown. There will be teams which he might stack up well against - and good to hear Carlton has historically been one of those. You might not want him trying to run away from Aaron Davey, but might be okay against say the Saints forward line or Carltons. Fev is not exactly inclined to put on the afterburners and maybe Brown can play a role with a nice kick out of defence or some ruck work with more umpires bringing the ball into play before a genuine ruck makes a contest.

 

[KissStephanie]

May 2003, days after I joined BF

You seem to be quite obessessed with Collingwood's recruitment of Leigh Brown, but I noticed how you ignored the other points that I made. In hindsight, it's not a surprise that North Melbourne weren't able to bring the best out in him on a consistent basis, but the superior facilities, coaching staff and more talented teammates at Collingwood could very well do the trick. He only cost pick #73 in the draft, and as the Herald-Sun said, he could be a "real steal."

People need to start using their imaginations more with Brown. There will be teams which he might stack up well against - and good to hear Carlton has historically been one of those.

His best season was 2006 when he averaged 8 kicks, 8 handpasses, and 6 marks. His two best games though were 17 kicks, 8 handpasses and 13 marks, and 17 kicks, 3 handpasses and 14 marks. This is the reason that Malthouse sees potential in him. I'm sure Collingwood believes he can reproduce close to that, so it's quite reasonable to think that he can gather 10 kicks, 6 handpasses and 8 marks every week on a consistent basis. If he does, then he probably would have done his job.

It's up to Collingwood now to offer the best conditions for him to perform consistently, which I believe can happen because the facilities and staff at Collingwood are much better than he had at North, and then it's up to his teammates and himself to perform each week. Collingwood have had great success at being able to do that for rejected players in recent times, and it can happen again with Brown.

 

[Old Spice]

I don't expect a bunch of possession from Brown, just as I don't expect them from Presti either, so long as he plays his role.

 

[Kimbo]

Brown is a woeful footballer. Always has been. His got an average hovering around the 10 touches a game mark over 180 odd games. Has been arsed 2wce. Most recentally from a side desperate for a player with his sort of size. They have the equivilant of Harry O type player as their number 1 full back and a Maccaffer type player (Edwardes) as their key foward going into this coming season and Brown is still not required.

Thank you. I sincerely wish you guys and Brown good luck here, but I'm afraid no amount of "facilities" will help Brownie improve. Looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane I'm afraid. I'm shocked he's been picked up, and will be even more shocked if he actually performs for you.

Collingwood do have better facilities, staff and more talented teammates than he had at North, and I believe it will result in significant improvement in Leigh Brown.

Well, if your posturing about having greater talent is anything to go by, it is quite possible that in your reality Leigh Brown will indeed improve. It's a postmodern world, after all.

You really should listen to Scotty on this one! Even random poster #73 can come up trumps...

 

[scottywiper]

[/I]His best season was 2006 when he averaged 8 kicks, 8 handpasses, and 6 marks. His two best games though were 17 kicks, 8 handpasses and 13 marks, and 17 kicks, 3 handpasses and 14 marks.

IIRC, one of those two games you mention he played on Adam Hunter, who kicked four goals in the second half to win the game for West Coast in Canberra.
Off the top of my head, I reckon he's had 20 possessions or more 3-4 times in a whole career.
Now I'm a maths man, and I'd like to think that the provided sample of 181 games, with maybe 6-10 of reasonable quality, and 3-4 genuinely good games, strongly indicates that his poor games are closer to his real ability than the odd good game.
That would be my statistical analysis.
But good luck with him anyway. I hope he serves his purpose for the Pies.

 

[mickeyjuice]

May 2003, days after I joined BF:
"He's averaging about five touches a game and is as slow as a wet week.
He's too slow to play down back, not good enough overhead to play up forward and not tall enough to play in the ruck.
This is why Freo traded him - his only good game last year was when he played as a loose man in defence against Essendon, without an opponent.
People keep saying what a great recruit he is, but while he might be a good guy but has great limitations in his game."


from this thread started by me: http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=68680&highlight=brown

Hard to argue with facts, so best for them just to ignore the fact that you managed to prove your point comprehensively...

 

[Thommo 42]

That was back in 1876 when we caught steam engines to the games, You will find that things are different now and most clubs have more information about the players coming through the system at Junior levels. Most often than not they get it right with the early picks. You will never see another James Hird type go at pick 79.

Sam Mitchell is a premiership captain that was overlooked completely in 2 drafts. He's not Jimmy Hird, but he is that 'type'.

Adam Goodes went in the 40's...

Dean Cox was a rookie, so also lower than Pick 79...

 

[rotten pie]

Collingwood have had their eye on leigh brown since he was up for trade at freo. They tried to recruit brown back then but where out bid by north . As for mick asking if there where any ready made players at 73, i think they might have earmarked that pick for brown two months ago when brown started preseason training with us. we have a derth of solid backmen and brown will be more than handy (should give maxwell a breather and give N Brown a bit more time to develope). give him some time to fit in, besides he cant be all bad to have played 181 games!

 

[DoubleO7]

If he plays 19 more games, he will become the worst 200 game player ever.

 

[Optimax]

If he plays 19 more games, he will become the worst 200 game player ever.

I raise you justin peckett and it could be worse we could of gotten shannon watt

 

[Dave The Man]

Collingwood have had their eye on leigh brown since he was up for trade at freo. They tried to recruit brown back then but where out bid by north . As for mick asking if there where any ready made players at 73, i think they might have earmarked that pick for brown two months ago when brown started preseason training with us. we have a derth of solid backmen and brown will be more than handy (should give maxwell a breather and give N Brown a bit more time to develope). give him some time to fit in, besides he cant be all bad to have played 181 games!

Where did you hear that we been in to Leigh since 2003?