Malthouse's Ladder

[Gambit78]

What does it comprise of exactly? Hear about it all the time, but what does it tally up?

Regulation Ladder looks like:
TEAM P W L D F A %

Does he have a regulation ladder but only looks at a certain window of time? I've heard that might be the case. But I read a quote somewhere that his ladder is 'more detailed.' Which got me wondering.

Maybe his ladder doesn't deal with games won or lost at all but other KPI like:

Contested Possession
Clearances
1%
I50's

So on and so forth.

What do you reckon make up Malthouse's ladder and how do you score a 'win' with it?

 

[shawthing09]

I am only guessing but I would be leaning towards your theory, the ladder being based on KPI's with different areas having weighted scores. So in effect it judges how teams are playing more then the results. I think it's certainly worthwhile. It would probably negate some of the inconsistancies of draw, ground etc and level it out and be more accurate / useful for coaching.

 

[Kirby]

I've always thought that he was just making it up so that he could talk up the more ordinary teams.

The above theory sounds about right if the bloody thing actually exists.

 

[shawthing09]

I've always thought that he was just making it up so that he could talk up the more ordinary teams.

The above theory sounds about right if the bloody thing actually exists.

I hadn't considered the possibility that it doesn't exist at all, the truth may actually be somewhere between the two.

I think it's more of an issue of not taking the ladder as a direct reflection of the best teams whether there is an actual statistical system or not I am now wondering.

 

[mattys123]

Leigh Brown confirms the ladder exists, both in his press conference yesterday and his HSUN interview today;

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/were-not-the-best-say-pies/story-e6frf9jf-1225894685368

"We're going OK on that (Malthouses) ladder,'' Brown said.

"We're not quite up the top on that one.
"There are areas we need to improve on and still things we need to work on week to week and well continue doing that this weekend against Richmond.''

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/were-not-the-best-say-pies/story-e6frf9jf-1225894685368

I'd say like has been suggested here, the ladder would be based on Collingwwod's internal KPI's, but only over the last 4-6 weeks, as MM always says he pays little attention to anything past that period.

 

[Thommo 42]

It would be designed in a fashion where we can never be on top, Mick is a sneaky bugger !

 

[rose jam]

It'd be a rolling 1 month ladder based on your performance against weighted opposition at a guess

I've heard MM often mention inside 30m instead of I50 as a more relevant forward entry KPI

 

[Gambit78]

It'd be a rolling 1 month ladder based on your performance against weighted opposition at a guess

I've heard MM often mention inside 30m instead of I50 as a more relevant forward entry KPI

Do you reckon the opposition is weighted? I would have thought the KPI's would be ranked and that's how MM tallies his points.

For instance (and feel free to add to the list) the ladder could have the following KPI's:

Tackles
Contested Possessions
Kicking Efficiency
I50's (or 30)
Kick : Handball ratio
Scoring from Turnovers
etc

Then according to what he deems most important, he allocates points from greatest to least relevant. Which leads me to wonder, if what Leigh Brown says is true, who would be above us on that ladder since the mid-season split round other than the Saints possibly?

 

[Pie eyed]

I reckon MM's copy would go back a long way. The players may only see recent form.

 

[knightwheelrqr]

I really like this thread. Some good stuff here. I don't think many of you are far off at all with this prediction.

 

[Gambit78]

I fancy giving this a crack. Where would be good place to get all the stats for the games since the mid-season split round? And not just kicks, handballs, marks either.

 

[XPISTO]

As a starting point, the AFL website is not bad for stats. I usually go there when I do my 'mock' Brownlow at the end of the year.

 

[muzzy2]

who would be above us on that ladder since the mid-season split round other than the Saints possibly?

Hawthorn???
They've won 8 out of 9 games...

 

[rose jam]

Hawthorn???
They've won 8 out of 9 games...

These are their wins though;

Richmond MCG 3
Carlton Etihad 50
Sydney MCG 2
Port MCG 11
Adelaide Aurora 47
Essendon MCG 16
Bulldogs MCG 3
Geelong MCG 2 LOSS
Brisbane Aurora 75


The only impressive result is the loss to Geelong and I'm not sure Geelong are in great shape at the moment. They've got a really easy draw this year

 

[NatheM]

Hi guys, here's a thing I just did.

I was getting bored so I gave up, I was going to do the last 3 rounds, but only did 2, still interesting numbers there though.

Hawthorn for example really stood out to me, even though it's 8 quarters they have huge numbers across the board, and they had decent opposition in Geelong recently.


Anyways here you go, I may update it if I can be f*cked.

http://www.youshare.com/toolpeth/21a4ccd92a8684d9.jpg.html

 

[NatheM]

does that link work guys?

 

[NatheM]

hi guys, here's a thing i just did.

I was getting bored so i gave up, i was going to do the last 3 rounds, but only did 2, still interesting numbers there though.

Hawthorn for example really stood out to me, even though it's 8 quarters they have huge numbers across the board, and they had decent opposition in geelong recently.


Anyways here you go, i may update it if i can be f*cked.

http://www.youshare.com/toolpeth/21a4ccd92a8684d9.jpg.html

bump

 

[NatheM]

 

[NatheM]

hmm it's a lil small

I'll enlarge it and add another round in wen i care.

 

[NatheM]

Nathe's rolling 3 round malthouse ladder!! ! !!!! !!

Took me ages to make it up, so you'd better appreciate it!

or

http://www.youshare.com/toolpeth/d696aa719b552115.jpg.html



Interesting things of note:

1. Sydney's huge number of marks inside 50 per game, coupled with it's leading tackle count.

2. Carlton's pathetic tackle count, very interesting.

3. Brisbane are the team that are easily in the worst form.

but what you must look at is Hawthorn, they are very much alive in terms of being a contender.

Enjoy.

 

[mattys123]

Re: Nathe's rolling 3 round malthouse ladder!! ! !!!! !!

Great work, but damn we suck at Centre Clearances.

Can we win the flag if we don't improve in that area come September.

The one column I may have tried to add was turnovers and in our case, scores from turnovers, because it is the category that MM would have because we are blowing the rest of the league away in that category.

Great attempt though, must have taken a while.

 

[NatheM]

Re: Nathe's rolling 3 round malthouse ladder!! ! !!!! !!

Thanks, I can add other column's if I can find the stats.

I don't think the numbers mean much right now because it's only based on the last 3 rounds.
I'll add to it in the next couple rounds and as things even out then we can see the real picture.

Because I noticed that some teams had easy runs ie playing Port and then Brisbane or something similar.

Also St Kilda's contested possies are hidious, but as I said, it will definately even out a bit.

 

[Pie eyed]

Re: Nathe's rolling 3 round malthouse ladder!! ! !!!! !!

Thanks, I can add other column's if I can find the stats.

I don't think the numbers mean much right now because it's only based on the last 3 rounds.
I'll add to it in the next couple rounds and as things even out then we can see the real picture.

Because I noticed that some teams had easy runs ie playing Port and then Brisbane or something similar.

Also St Kilda's contested possies are hidious, but as I said, it will definately even out a bit.

Good job.
Now imagine you've been doing this professionally for 20 odd years and have three statisticians to help you out......

I bet there are a lot more columns, individual KPI's (weighted depending on position and key role) for all of our list and the oppo players as well.

 

[NatheM]

Re: Nathe's rolling 3 round malthouse ladder!! ! !!!! !!

yeah, it would be a shit load easier with more brains on the job.

 

[Invigoration]

Re: Nathe's rolling 3 round malthouse ladder!! ! !!!! !!

Great work, but damn we suck at Centre Clearances.

Doesn't seem like there is much (if any) correlation with centre clearances and winning though. Compare the bottom 8 to the top 8 in terms of centre clearances, the bottom 8 teams average a far greater number.

In fact only one team in the bottom 8 has a lower centre clearance count than that any of the top 4 teams on the ladder (Brisbane at 30.3).