Matt Rendell...

[Plugger35]

Re: Matt Rendall...

So when it suits you its not what he says anymore.



He has been offered a payout, are you sure about that?



Far worse than what exactly, do you even know?


Use those so called high perceptive glasses you claim to have and redirected the bolded text back at yourself and see whaht you find.

I still find that you're a clueless moron. It's not even worth arguing with you, you're either a troll, plain stupid or a paid employee of the AFL. The last two not being mutually exclusive.

Hang on.

Youre assuming that Misfud and Co are dirty little rats, and that there isnt more to the conversation than what MR reported.

When clearly (from all reports) there was more to the conversation than simply a throwaway line about 'white parents'.

Enough to genuinely upset the other two blokes present, to the point one was angry enough to suggest to the other to 'knock his block off' and cause the other one to publicly shaft a man he considered a mate.

Rendells put his side of the story forward - and he's not exactly going to spin it in a bad light on national TV now is he?

Is Mifsud the kind of bloke who dogs on a mate... for no apparent reason?

From all reports he agnonised about revealing the conversation for months, no doubt knowing full well what the ramifications for his mate would be.

Unless he wants to stitch MR up further and go into details himself (bearing in mind the two are supposed to still be mates) he's in a conflicted position here.

Yet even after being so upset by Rendell's comments they didn't mention it to Demetriou until two months later. Does that not strike you as odd?

 

[Mr Magic]

So i take it that Rendell fans are not even believing Rendell himself anymore?

He must be in on the fix as well i suppose.

Rendell has admitted full responsibility for the situation.

For the statements that have been reported, and importantly, as he said himself today, for the other statements that haven't been publicly reported.

Terry I saw Rendell drop the ball and tell all and sundry to lay of AD etc...

Fair enough you appear to be closer to the money. One thing we can agree on whichever way you look at it Rendell has appeared to be disappointing


However, frankly this activity and process still is suspicious to me. Fact is Rendells head has been through a washing machine and he could have simply confessed after the beating down like custody grilling we see in various shows. I am not saying you are not wrong just everything is still not necessarily conveniently 100% squeaky clean IMO as some may wish. If Rendell said something to the effect of 'I said this and that as well and I apologise' we could assess better the situational circumstances and remove most concern if it made sense. That didn't happen though unfortunately

I still have a few problems with conflicts of interests between various parties in the relationships they have and frankly the air of suspicion still arises as a result of a lack of segregation of duty and or independence with certain conflicting activities in terms of goals. I will let it rest though

In terms of getting some transparency it is a little deflating but I don't have a problem moving on and watching the footy.

Having said this , I will view AFL HQ, on top of their previous dealings, with even more suspicion and cautiousness than ever regarding my actions such is my nature and read on things.

 

[King Elvis]

Re: Matt Rendall...

He was 3 months into a 3 year contract.

I would assume he would have more to gain by digging his heels in and fighting unfair diismissal than falling on his sword (in the absence of a payout by the AFC).

He loves the Crows and he loves the game too much to do that.

He might've made a stupid statement, but he didn't deserve to be crucified for it - the way he's behaved since has basically proven what a lot of us knew all along; he's a genuine, passionate and sincere guy who was trying to do the right thing.

 

[Lach72]

If you are so confident of your argument you would cut the nonsense and just talk about the issue.

You asserted that his comments were absolutely racist and no context could change this.

I have provided a perfectly legitimate scenario in which the context does change it.

So I am asking you to either find fault in the argument or to concede you were wrong.

"If we're not careful Neville, the Germans will be in Poland within the week."

"Why Winston! I never took you for a Nazi lover. I'll accept your resignation by Friday."

 

[King Elvis]

Re: Matt Rendall...

Why does nobody care about the Auspost/Fahour/Sponsorship issue here?

 

[Roby]

So why didnt Hird have to look for another job. How come Vlad was not as outraged as he was last week?

To suggest that
(a) Aboriginal athletes lack endurance and
(b) Because of this they will be phased out of the game

is an outright disgrace. And far worse than Rendell's comments.

And yet there were no consequences.


How come??

You cannot see the difference? One was discussed openly for discussion at what they perceived could potentially be a problem, they never said that wouldn't recruit players based on race or having one white parent.

The AFL consults the clubs in regards to these issues. You can talk about them. What you can't say is things like 'I probably won't be recruiting based on white parent, or and in regards to retention rates he said, 'Aboiginal players just like African players'. Do you know what this is implying?

Do you not believe Rendell has apologised for these comments publicly now? The transcripts are available in which he has admitted he was in the wrong and nobody else. Have you not read Misfud comments?

jason mifsud ‏ @jason_mifsud
Racial stereotyping & white assimilation views are not to be tolerated or supported. The damage is untold & grief undoable.

That means you need to reeducate yourself on this issue.

 

[Mr Magic]

Re: Matt Rendall...

Why does nobody care about the Auspost/Fahour/Sponsorship issue here?

that is one of the conflicts that is concerning to me. you are not alone

 

[Drakescoffeecake]

But presumably talking about gays in the following manner is acceptable;



Or these are I take it modern day attitudes about women;



Or just general acceptance of people who are 'different' to you;

Haha! BigBroMike owned! What a bloke

Scottwade wins the internet

 

[Roby]

Re: Matt Rendall...

I still find that you're a clueless moron. It's not even worth arguing with you, you're either a troll, plain stupid or a paid employee of the AFL. The last two not being mutually exclusive.

Well what does that say about yourself if you continue arguing with someone who you think is not worth arguing with and continue to call a clueless moron, wouldn't ignoring me be better use of your time?

Yet even after being so upset by Rendell's comments they didn't mention it to Demetriou until two months later. Does that not strike you as odd?

No they are not odd at all. And it's quite common for vicitims of racism not too mention they are victims of racism. Especially if it means implicating a friend. But you wouldn't know about that, would you.

 

[Lach72]

Re: Matt Rendall...

Why does nobody care about the Auspost/Fahour/Sponsorship issue here?

Aware me?

 

[weevil]

Re: Matt Rendall...

He loves the Crows and he loves the game too much to do that.

He might've made a stupid statement, but he didn't deserve to be crucified for it - the way he's behaved since has basically proven what a lot of us knew all along; he's a genuine, passionate and sincere guy who was trying to do the right thing.

I'd say that he is probably trying not to ruin what left he has of a career.

If he goes down all guns blazing his next boss is going to have serious second thoughts about giving him a job. If he falls on his sword and goes quietly he may have a chance.

 

[Mr Magic]

You cannot see the difference? One was discussed openly for discussion at what they perceived could potentially be a problem, they never said that wouldn't recruit players based on race or having one white parent.

The AFL consults the clubs in regards to these issues. You can talk about them. What you can't say is things like 'I probably won't be recruiting based on white parent, or and in regards to retention rates he said, 'Aboiginal players just like African players'. Do you know what this is implying?

Do you not believe Rendell has apologised for these comments publicly now? The transcripts are available in which he has admitted he was in the wrong and nobody else. Have you not read Misfud comments?

jason mifsud ‏ @jason_mifsud
Racial stereotyping & white assimilation views are not to be tolerated or supported. The damage is untold & grief undoable.

That means you need to reeducate yourself on this issue.

Roby because no one has the balls to say what was said verbatim no one knows the true issue thus some suspicion still remains. any argument on different angles is largely based on speculation unless you were there and had full primary knowledge of everything

Can we say free speech is not a value upheld highly in AFL circles???

 

[sherb]

Re: Matt Rendall...

Well what does that say about yourself if you continue arguing with someone who you think is not worth arguing with and continue to call a clueless moron, wouldn't ignoring me be better use of your time?

Certainly works for me.

And also highly recommended for anyone seeking objective discussion of the issue.

 

[MattyB_76]

You cannot see the difference? One was discussed openly for discussion at what they perceived could potentially be a problem, they never said that wouldn't recruit players based on race or having one white parent.

The AFL consults the clubs in regards to these issues. You can talk about them. What you can't say is things like 'I probably won't be recruiting based on white parent, or and in regards to retention rates he said, 'Aboiginal players just like African players'. Do you know what this is implying?

Do you not believe Rendell has apologised for these comments publicly now? The transcripts are available in which he has admitted he was in the wrong and nobody else. Have you not read Misfud comments?

jason mifsud ‏ @jason_mifsud
Racial stereotyping & white assimilation views are not to be tolerated or supported. The damage is untold & grief undoable.

That means you need to reeducate yourself on this issue.

And neither did Rendell. Are you seriously trying to say that you think "Rendell had/has/would have a policy for recruiting based on a minimum of 1 white parent"?

Having sat here an chastised everyone with a conflicting view to yours for not reading your posts or checking transcripts, how can you be so ignorant?

 

[weevil]

"If we're not careful Neville, the Germans will be in Poland within the week."

"Why Winston! I never took you for a Nazi lover. I'll accept your resignation by Friday."

This was essentially Roby's argument.

But he can't even acknowledge it any more.

 

[Drakescoffeecake]

I wonder what hard-hitting, unscripted questions Mifsud will receive on the Mangrook footy show tomorrow? What a soft***

 

[Rob]

You cannot see the difference? One was discussed openly for discussion at what they perceived could potentially be a problem, they never said that wouldn't recruit players based on race or having one white parent.

The AFL consults the clubs in regards to these issues. You can talk about them. What you can't say is things like 'I probably won't be recruiting based on white parent, or and in regards to retention rates he said, 'Aboiginal players just like African players'. Do you know what this is implying?

Do you not believe Rendell has apologised for these comments publicly now? The transcripts are available in which he has admitted he was in the wrong and nobody else. Have you not read Misfud comments?

jason mifsud ‏ @jason_mifsud
Racial stereotyping & white assimilation views are not to be tolerated or supported. The damage is untold & grief undoable.

That means you need to reeducate yourself on this issue.

Do you believe that the 'white assimilation' he is talking about is related to the idea allegedly raised by Rendell of providing scholarships to aboriginal kids?

I have to say that I sincerely hope not.

 

[Roby]

If you are so confident of your argument you would cut the nonsense and just talk about the issue.

You asserted that his comments were absolutely racist and no context could change this.

I have provided a perfectly legitimate scenario in which the context does change it.

So I am asking you to either find fault in the argument or to concede you were wrong.

And if I don't concede what will you do? Get the thought police on me.

If I don't think I am wrong, and since you haven't pointed what it is, and since you refute Rendell's apology saying he is wrong and the parties that you claim are wrong he says are not wrong...

wait is this about "context" again, is this why you don't believe Rendell?

 

[RegHickeyStand]

"If we're not careful Neville, the Germans will be in Poland within the week."

"Why Winston! I never took you for a Nazi lover. I'll accept your resignation by Friday."

More irony:

Just about all the posters who have said there is no context at all where its an acceptable thing to say, have all quoted what Rendell said.

 

[Mr Magic]

Re: Matt Rendall...

I'd say that he is probably trying not to ruin what left he has of a career.

If he goes down all guns blazing his next boss is going to have serious second thoughts about giving him a job. If he falls on his sword and goes quietly he may have a chance.

This is why I thought he was going to go legal assuming he was legit with his initial side to the story. His job prospects wouldn't be good I would suspect

Despite what he said, I don't think anyone, other than Matt, knows why he changed his tact

 

[philohk]

Check my post history, reread the articles, watch On The Couch, Footy Classifed and listen to theAdelaide Triple M intervew. If that is too much - which I expect it will be - just check my post history it's all there in black and white, chronologically ordered over last 4-5 days.

I've read the articles and watched / listened to plenty of the interviews. I've also read all your posts - they're full of unsupported assertions and ponderous pseudo-intellectualism, and frankly I feel dumber for having sat through them. You haven't even remotely proven anything you've said, nor have you answered most of the questions people - including me - have asked. Get therapy and work on the persecution mania.

You cannot see the difference? One was discussed openly for discussion at what they perceived could potentially be a problem, they never said that wouldn't recruit players based on race or having one white parent.

The AFL consults the clubs in regards to these issues. You can talk about them. What you can't say is things like 'I probably won't be recruiting based on white parent, or and in regards to retention rates he said, 'Aboiginal players just like African players'. Do you know what this is implying?

And you still believe he said that. Facepalm.

Do you not believe Rendell has apologised for these comments publicly now? The transcripts are available in which he has admitted he was in the wrong and nobody else. Have you not read Misfud comments?

jason mifsud ‏ @jason_mifsud
Racial stereotyping & white assimilation views are not to be tolerated or supported. The damage is untold & grief undoable.

That means you need to reeducate yourself on this issue.

Reeducation is voluntary! I volunteered! Don't mind the scar, it'll heal eventually.

You do realise that after saying he wanted nothing more than for it to go away, an 'I'm sorry if people were offended' doesn't really mean much, right?

awesome post

Quality post. Welcome to BF. You'll find that as someone who is level-headed and experienced in the issues being discussed, you'll have very little attention paid to you.

Also, +1 to the excellent burn on BigBroMike.

 

[Roby]

Do you believe that the 'white assimilation' he is talking about is related to the idea allegedly raised by Rendell of providing scholarships to aboriginal kids?

I have to say that I sincerely hope not.

Yes, of course, why else would he say it. Or maybe it was random racist he met a few hours ago on the street and he felt the need to put it on twitter.

You sincerely hope not, maybe you may realise how bad this actually was.

 

[Keys]

You cannot see the difference? One was discussed openly for discussion at what they perceived could potentially be a problem, they never said that wouldn't recruit players based on race or having one white parent.

The AFL consults the clubs in regards to these issues. You can talk about them. What you can't say is things like 'I probably won't be recruiting based on white parent, or and in regards to retention rates he said, 'Aboiginal players just like African players'. Do you know what this is implying?

Do you not believe Rendell has apologised for these comments publicly now? The transcripts are available in which he has admitted he was in the wrong and nobody else. Have you not read Misfud comments?

jason mifsud ‏ @jason_mifsud
Racial stereotyping & white assimilation views are not to be tolerated or supported. The damage is untold & grief undoable.

That means you need to reeducate yourself on this issue.

Are you serious?

FFS

You excuse what hird and Roos said because it was said publicly despite hird being a current afl coach saying that indigenous payers as a group could be phased out of the game due to a lack of fitness. But that won't affect recruitment in anyway

Rendell in a private conversation suggests that if something isn't done to address the attrition rate of indigenous players due to adjustment issues then it may result in only indigenous players with one one parent being selected as an extreme example

As weevil has consistently asked you fail to see the difference between a suggestion that something might happen and actually saying that's what you are doing or intend to do

That you can excuse hird and Roos yet take issue with rendell is beyond belief

 

[MattyB_76]

Re: Matt Rendall...

I'd say that he is probably trying not to ruin what left he has of a career.

If he goes down all guns blazing his next boss is going to have serious second thoughts about giving him a job. If he falls on his sword and goes quietly he may have a chance.

Or maybe he's played his cards on FC Monday night and has been told (by AFC, AFL, Mifsud/Fahour?) it's gonna be your word against mine, and 2 versus 1.

Fahour, and to a lesser extent Mifsud, went into damage control today by deleting inflamatory tweets. Mifsud on Mangrook tomorrow night (although I expect the interview to be pretty soft-hitting) should be interesting.

 

[Roby]

I've read the articles and watched / listened to plenty of the interviews. I've also read all your posts - they're full of unsupported assertions and ponderous pseudo-intellectualism, and frankly I feel dumber for having sat through them. You haven't even remotely proven anything you've said, nor have you answered most of the questions people - including me - have asked. Get therapy and work on the persecution mania..

But you haven't even called me or pulled me up on anything. You've just made a blanket statement without backing it up.

I don't really expect the courtesy, but please don't insult my intelligence with this diatribe.