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What relevance does this or any future result have to do with Josh losing liberal voters earlier this year?Ok o judgemental one. Look at the swings in kooyong and back up your insult
What relevance does this or any future result have to do with Josh losing liberal voters earlier this year?
Votes don't get split in a preferential system; you need more than 50% of preferences to win a seat. If a majority of people in an electorate prefer the liberal candidate, then it doesn't matter how much 'strategy' the minority ALP voters apply at the ballot.
Josh just had fewer people prefer him over the teal. And that could only have happened if he lost liberal preferences. Its basic maths.
Call me crazy but if I voted:It didn’t happen without labor and greens tactical voting.either. 25% to 6%
My original point is why would hawthorn alp voters vote teal?
I think the motivation is that the Liberals are campaignersSo in hawthorn with a sitting alp member, what’s the motivation for an alp or even green to put teal first? Surely they vote as they do, and preference green or teal after?
Tactical voting is absolutely alive and well in certain circumstances. Plenty of Labor voters moved the teal knowing they needed the final contest to be between Teal and LIB so the Teal would get up. If it was an ALP/LIB contest with the final two then there would enough Teal voters bleeding to the LIBs to make it too close for comfort.Call me crazy but if I voted:
1 ALP
2 Greens
3 Independent
4 LNP
or
1 Greens
2 Independent
3 ALP
4 LNP
or
1 Independent
2 LNP
3 ALP
4 Green
I would have preference the Independent over the LNP. I doubt any Greens or ALP voter would have "tactically" put the Independent over the LNP, it would have happened organic anyway.
You can't really tactically vote in our system
Tactical voting is absolutely alive and well in certain circumstances. Plenty of Labor voters moved the teal knowing they needed the final contest to be between Teal and LIB so the Teal would get up. If it was an ALP/LIB contest with the final two then there would enough Teal voters bleeding to the LIBs to make it too close for comfort.
ALP and GRN voters would have put The Teal higher anywayTactical voting is absolutely alive and well in certain circumstances. Plenty of Labor voters moved the teal knowing they needed the final contest to be between Teal and LIB so the Teal would get up. If it was an ALP/LIB contest with the final two then there would enough Teal voters bleeding to the LIBs to make it too close for comfort.
And he lost those former voters because he was precisely that. Spent years cultivating a fake facade as a moderate average 'bloke' (!), meanwhile he was a scheming campaigner whose sole aim was the top job.ALP and GRN voters would have put The Teal higher anyway
Fraud lost his seat due to losing former LNP voters
Yes that is true. But if the teal primary vote wasn't high enough there was a chance they could finish third and have their preferences distributed.ALP and GRN voters would have put The Teal higher anyway
Fraud lost his seat due to losing former LNP voters
Your welcomeAnd he lost those former voters because he was precisely that. Spent years cultivating a fake facade as a moderate average 'bloke' (!), meanwhile he was a scheming campaigner whose sole aim was the top job.
His loss in May was a high point in my decades of political engagement.
Yeah thats a stupid question. You just dont understand our voting system or how it works. I've explained it to you and you just can't get it.It didn’t happen without labor and greens tactical voting.either. 25% to 6%
My original point is why would hawthorn alp voters vote teal?
Frydenberg lost 10% of his primary vote. There is barely a Liberal in the country who can survive thatIt didn’t happen without labor and greens tactical voting.either. 25% to 6%
My original point is why would hawthorn alp voters vote teal?
16%Frydenberg lost 10% of his primary vote. There is barely a Liberal in the country who can survive that
Yeah thats a stupid question. You just dont understand our voting system or how it works. I've explained it to you and you just can't get it.
Go with whatever narrative makes you feel good.
Who's watching Sky that might be thinking of changing their vote from ALP to LNP? Zero people. Therefore Andrews stands to lose nothing.What’s the logic between having this debate on Sky? I mean it’s a Pay TV Channel and we all know the types that actually watch this station.
Is it an ALP strategy to try and sway some voters they are usually no chance with? You’d think it would be better for the generally unengaged public for it to reach a wider audience.