Matthew Guy. Can a mediocre leader with a 3rd rate team win government?

[The Punter]

Even having been an IPA director? He's not as moderate as he likes to project himself as.



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Not for nothing (and I am not a member of the IPA), but that screenshot is pretty old.

Also, if Hawthorn is Red, someone better tell the ALP who are not targetting the seat in their campaign according to the almighty Kos. And Jess Wilson didn't work for Tim Smith.

 

[Dave]

From a distance, their seem to levels of corruption & Governance issues that beset both sides of politics.

Its come to light that the LNP seem to have the beginnings of a major problem with religious conservative infiltration.

That to me would be a big worry for the majority of the electorate. Issues like health & housing beset every state & may yet affect the ALP reelection prospects.

Could Independents make inroads into the big party dominance of Parliament?

I think it's more likely that we'll see the rise of a Teal like small l Liberal party that will attempt to take the centre right, which will make it very hard for the conservatives to ever govern in their own right. A little like the LP/DLP split.

 

[peetoo]

Not for nothing (and I am not a member of the IPA), but that screenshot is pretty old.

Also, if Hawthorn is Red, someone better tell the ALP who are not targetting the seat in their campaign according to the almighty Kos. And Jess Wilson didn't work for Tim Smith.

All the better for us to remain marginal, whatever the result. But please, josh and otheres, if you want to pork barrel us, can we have something we like? Multi story car parks? Tell him he’s dreaming.

 

[peetoo]

I think it's more likely that we'll see the rise of a Teal like small l Liberal party that will attempt to take the centre right, which will make it very hard for the conservatives to ever govern in their own right. A little like the LP/DLP split.

Also 6 months on, what positive have the teals added federally?

 

[Dave]

Also 6 months on, what positive have the teals added federally?

We still don't have a Liberal government. If that's all they do for the next three years I'm good with that.

 

[peetoo]

We still don't have a Liberal government. If that's all they do for the next three years I'm good with that.

Like I said, alp voters voting tactically in Kooyong had more to do with the demise of josh than lib voters revolting

 

[geoffjennings79]

He’s not getting back. We are red in Hawthorn now and no reason to change

Josh was unseated more by alp voters going tactically rather than defecting libs. Why would we vote a sitting alp member out?

I was more addressing your reference to "respected". He may be respected in LNP circles, but he conveniently ignores his less desirable links for broader public consumption. (He's not alone mind you, on either side.)

 

[peetoo]

I was more addressing your reference to "respected". He may be respected in LNP circles, but he conveniently ignores his less desirable links for broader public consumption. (He's not alone mind you, on either side.)

Not by me, it’s all relative btw. Side deal O’Brien or dog box guy. Quite possibly the nats will be calling more shots in the rump left over

 

[Pie eyed]

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All sides have their rogues.

What?
The entire party?
I double that has ever been the case until the recent Liberal National party syndicate.

 

[madmug]

Also 6 months on, what positive have the teals added federally?

They helped eject the LNP/Scumo religious conservative culture waring do nothings.

They will get us the Federal ICAC the vast majority want.

Thats two pretty good things

 

[peetoo]

They helped eject the LNP/Scumo religious conservative culture waring do nothings.

They will get us the Federal ICAC the vast majority want.

Thats two pretty good things

The top 2 things on the ALP wish list?
Make no mistake, labor voters ejected josh

 

[Not Important]

 

[winty]

 

[nobbyiscool]

He’s not getting back. We are red in Hawthorn now and no reason to change

Josh was unseated more by alp voters going tactically rather than defecting libs. Why would we vote a sitting alp member out?

I think there's next to no chance of Kennedy retaining now that people realise he has no connection to the footy team.

The teal in that seat is paying better than even and might be one of the value bets of the night for this gambling. (I'll just be doing arbitraging, it's quite a good event for that this year.)

 

[peetoo]

I think there's next to no chance of Kennedy retaining now that people realise he has no connection to the footy team.

The teal in that seat is paying better than even and might be one of the value bets of the night for this gambling. (I'll just be doing arbitraging, it's quite a good event for that this year.)

So in fed election, add up the lnp or alp voter switches to teal. I reckon the second is the biggest by far but no alp seats went teal in victoria

Tactical voting. If the teals need to rely on preferences…watch out

 

[Nikita Blue]

I think there's next to no chance of Kennedy retaining now that people realise he has no connection to the footy team.

The teal in that seat is paying better than even and might be one of the value bets of the night for this gambling. (I'll just be doing arbitraging, it's quite a good event for that this year.)

Maybe he should pretend to be related to the other John Kennedy to get the cooker vote.

 

[Saint]

Also 6 months on, what positive have the teals added federally?

Well they're not actively campaigning against Victoria like Frydenberg and half the LNP did. Can you imagine how Dutton would erupt if a federal Vic ALP member called all Queenslanders and Queensland police drunken racist rednecks?

 

[mighty tiges]

 

[Ghost Patrol]

 

[peetoo]

It’s as chit job but someone has to do it

 

[Gough]

Obviously not too concerned about losing the cooker market.

 

[geoffjennings79]

Thread title needs an update. "Mediocre" and "3rd rate" looks overly generous after the past few days (and democracy in Victoria the poorer on both counts, unfortunately).

 

[Fire]

Like I said, alp voters voting tactically in Kooyong had more to do with the demise of josh than lib voters revolting

This is either delusional or ignorant.

Either way, preferential voting renders what you just said nonsense.

 

[peetoo]

This is either delusional or ignorant.

Either way, preferential voting renders what you just said nonsense.

Ok o judgemental one. Look at the swings in kooyong and back up your insult

 

[QuietB]

Ok o judgemental one. Look at the swings in kooyong and back up your insult

Ol’ Josh did lose primary votes. The electorate grew by 3% and his primary vote dropped by over 10%.