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[essendon2008]

Re: Collingwood could offer Matthew Lloyd AFL deal

cya later

Terrible attitude. Even though he has done very little lately, I'm sure you were cheering for him during his great years. The man was an absolute star, let's not forget this.

After reading the article again i was surprised at Eddie's comments, he didn't rule it out at all, I'm sure that if it was just a wild rumour then Eddie would say it's nonsense.

Also it sounds like Lloydy wants to play strictly at FF, and Knights (fairly IMO) doesn't want to do this as he is trying to develop Neagle there.

To be honest i would be sad to see him go but i believe if he can get a year or two somewhere then good luck to him.

 

[Gus2Gumby]

Re: Collingwood could offer Matthew Lloyd AFL deal

If this does actually happen, would that make his first game back from suspension ANZAC Day?

That would be interesting...

 

[Fraz]

Re: Collingwood could offer Matthew Lloyd AFL deal

If this does actually happen, would that make his first game back from suspension ANZAC Day?

That would be interesting...

His first game back will be in Round 4 so the week before ANZAC Day.

I think (and hope) he'll stay a one club player. He bleeds red and black.

 

[Gus2Gumby]

Re: Collingwood could offer Matthew Lloyd AFL deal

His first game back will be in Round 4 so the week before ANZAC Day.

I think (and hope) he'll stay a one club player. He bleeds red and black.

Ah yep. Forgot to count last Friday!

 

[thebigboy]

Re: Collingwood could offer Matthew Lloyd AFL deal

Hypothetically, if he does want to leave and wants to join Collingwood, what would we be able to get for him?

He's not going to be able to get there in the PSD as a host of clubs, including ourselves, would take him before Collingwood.

Is he still worth a 1st round pick? Perhaps a 2nd and a player?

It was reported that Knights was quite keen on Sidebottom after what he did in the TAC Cup GF. Perhaps he would/could be part of the deal.

 

[Seb78]

Re: Collingwood could offer Matthew Lloyd AFL deal

Terrible attitude. Even though he has done very little lately, I'm sure you were cheering for him during his great years. The man was an absolute star, let's not forget this.

After reading the article again i was surprised at Eddie's comments, he didn't rule it out at all, I'm sure that if it was just a wild rumour then Eddie would say it's nonsense.

Also it sounds like Lloydy wants to play strictly at FF, and Knights (fairly IMO) doesn't want to do this as he is trying to develop Neagle there.

To be honest i would be sad to see him go but i believe if he can get a year or two somewhere then good luck to him.

How is it a terrible attitude, Lloyd is the one giving the ultimatum to the club who he thinks he's is bigger than saying "sign me up now or I'm off too Collingwood" If Essendon had to bow down to these stupid threats from every player the team would never go forward and rebuild. Yes I did cheer him in the early days, as a matter of fact I still do, but if he is going to stop the development of a young KPP that is also something the club need to consider. Personally I hope he stays, even for depth purposes but I cant stand the fact he is using the I'm off to Collingwood if you dont sign me now crap.

Anyway guys we dont even know if this is true so not sure why we are getting so worried about it.

 

[nighthawk]

Re: Collingwood could offer Matthew Lloyd AFL deal

Hypothetically, if he does want to leave and wants to join Collingwood, what would we be able to get for him?

He's not going to be able to get there in the PSD as a host of clubs, including ourselves, would take him before Collingwood.

Is he still worth a 1st round pick? Perhaps a 2nd and a player?

It was reported that Knights was quite keen on Sidebottom after what he did in the TAC Cup GF. Perhaps he would/could be part of the deal.

Oh hell no! We would be lucky to get a 2nd or 3rd alone. You're dreaming.

Said this in an identical thread, but he is a player who has had a poor year, is suspended for the first few weeks of next year, and maybe has a year or two left in him if he is lucky with injury. Who would trade Sidebottom or a 1st/2nd rounder for that?!

 

[Fraz]

Re: Collingwood could offer Matthew Lloyd AFL deal

Ah yep. Forgot to count last Friday!

That's alright. I don't blame you for wanting to forget about last Friday

At least it looks like we'll have a much clearer picture about what's happening by the end of the week.

 

[rusman]

Re: Collingwood could offer Matthew Lloyd AFL deal

I will respect whatever he chooses to do. If he continues at the dons then he wont be the player we know an love where as if he went to another club it would show that hes still a gun forward. Hes given back heaps to this club an if we are unable to give him the oppotunities hes deserved then its his choice on what to do. It would be great to see Lloyd v Fletch in a game hehe the ultimate test
I think this article is a joke by the way their is no link to collingwood cant believe it made the back page of the paper.

 

[Fraz]

Re: Collingwood could offer Matthew Lloyd AFL deal

He's not going anywhere.

http://www.collingwoodfc.com.au/newsfeatures/news/newsarticle/tabid/5586/newsid/84452/default.aspx

Pies have no interest in Lloyd
Jonathon Bernard
11:58 AM Wed 09 September, 2009
Amid speculation in the media regarding the possible recruitment of Essendon captain Matthew Lloyd next season, defensive coach Mark Neeld confirmed on Wednesday morning the veteran is not on the club’s radar.

http://www.collingwoodfc.com.au/newsfeatures/news/newsarticle/tabid/5586/newsid/84452/default.aspx

 

[DoubleA]

Re: Collingwood could offer Matthew Lloyd AFL deal

Is he still worth a 1st round pick? Perhaps a 2nd and a player? .

These are the kind of biased comments that make me cringe...is he worth a 1st round pick? We'd be lucky to get a 3rd rounder. He will be a 15year player, misses the first 4 games of next year and averaged less than 2 goals a game this year. In saying that, I hope he comes back next year without the captaincy and retires with class that he deserves.

 

[Flying_dutchman]

Re: Collingwood could offer Matthew Lloyd AFL deal

These are the kind of biased comments that make me cringe...is he worth a 1st round pick?

I believe it was a question, not a comment... You make me cringe.

 

[AJ_2000]

Re: Collingwood could offer Matthew Lloyd AFL deal

I think you will find this is all media bs. Someone from the club, probably to boot studder, has been asked a question like "would you take Lloyd if he was available" and the have said "we would look at it". Hardly a contract offer.

Collingwood won't want to pay anything much (3rd or 4th round pick), if at all, for a 1-2 year player, espcially when they have Rocca on their list. With Cloke and Anthony already there isn't space for another key forward.

More importantly if we don't offer him a contract then he has every right to find employment elsewhere. This doesn't change his status within the club based on all the goals and years of service he has already supplied.

 

[Kong]

Re: Collingwood could offer Matthew Lloyd AFL deal

How is it a terrible attitude, Lloyd is the one giving the ultimatum to the club who he thinks he's is bigger than saying "sign me up now or I'm off too Collingwood" If Essendon had to bow down to these stupid threats from every player the team would never go forward and rebuild.

No he's not. Mark Robinson said that.

 

[efcboy]

Re: Collingwood could offer Matthew Lloyd AFL deal

far too many getting carried away with silly comments here - the only comments direct from a club are mark neeld denying collingwood have any interest. there's been nothing from essendon, lloyd or his manager...

wait patiently for a couple of days and this will all be resolved...

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Re: What's this nonsense about Lloyd leaving?

Thing is I would not be against it. He is at the end of his career, and if Neagle/Hurley/Gumbleton are the forwards then I have nothing against Lloyd being traded but I'd want a decent pick in return or perhaps a 3rd rounder plus Sharrod Welligham

 

[Boucks09]

Re: Collingwood could offer Matthew Lloyd AFL deal

Let me start by saying that I expect Lloyd to play on next year at Essendon but stand down from the captaincy.

However I still feel that this issue of him playing on is a little more involved than people are willing to believe. There is a lot is rumour and unsubstantiated innuendo, yet there are a range of issues which need to be resolved before Lloyd resigns.

To put this in context lets remember the following:

- Lloyd is the greatest goal kicker our club has ever produced and is in the top 10 goal kickers that the game has ever produced

- He has played 270 games which is in the very top echelon of players at our club

Were it not for Hird, Lloyd would clearly be the best player we have produced since Watson and Madden.

Now lets look at the way that Hird and Lucas have been treated in their final year.

- Hird was begged to play on by his coach (Sheedy) and the general public
- Hird went out on top, playing terrific football, winning a B&F and with his reputation enhanced.

- Lucas spent half the season in the VFL
- Lucas had no farewell game
- Lucas went out amid constant calls that he was no longer up to the standard from fans and the public

Now having seen both these champions (and close friends) it wouldn't take Einstein to figure out which champion Lloyd would prefer to emulate in his retiring year.

For me the main issues that Lloydy is grappling with now are:

- A perceived lack of desire and want from the coach for him to play on next season
- A frustration that his reputation is being diminished by being forced to play out of position in his latter years
- A frustration that his leadership is being forgotten and that he is still the captain of the Essendon Football Club

Whilst Lloyd has been an outstanding captain (I have been on record as saying better than Hird on numerous occasions), he is still an individual and has an ego and sense of pride. My feeling is that he does not feel as if he is being treated with the level of respect that he deserves given his outstanding contribution to the club both on and off the field. It is also worth noting that his previous coach wanted to trade him before he got the sack; something that would never have happened to a Hird, Watson or Madden.

It is easy for people to sit back and criticise Lloyd for putting himself before the team, but I feel that the club owes Matty Lloyd much much more than he owes the club. That is not to say that they should give him an extra year as a farewell tour: rather he deserves to be treated with the same level of respect as the previous greats of the club.

I can understand that Knights does not want to influence Lloyd's decision to play on. I can also understand Knights wanting to develop our forwardline for the post-Lloyd era. However it is important that we keep Lloyd in our side next season.

To lose him now would not only hurt one of our greatest champions, but would also hurt our players, our sponsors and our fans.

I'm sure Knighta will look Lloyd in the eye, tell him his is a much loved and wanted player but will be required to continue playing a semi-sacrificial role next season; a role that Lloyd will play with class and impact.

 

[pendles]

Re: Collingwood could offer Matthew Lloyd AFL deal

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

j

That's quite a stutter you've got there.

 

[Jab]

Re: Collingwood could offer Matthew Lloyd AFL deal

Who did who a favour?? Matthew Lloyd doesn't owe our club anything... Essendon have got more then they could ever hope for out of him. He is a champion.

This arogant attitude that he has to stay another year in a compromised role or retire is ridiculous. Would any of you do it in your occupations?? He has already put up with it the last season or so which has damaged his reputation. He may be past his best but he is still a lot better then he is given credit for due to the position he has been forced to play for "THE TEAM".

Have a look at yourselves anyone that is that hipocritical they would begrudge a man trying to get the most out of his last years in the game. He would be a focal point in almost any other forward line but ours next year. Why wouldn't he consider it. I certainly wouldn't blame him.

as much as I hate to even consider it, if he wanted to leave, and you could actually get something worthwhile for him, you'd have to have it on the table as an option.

Either that, or you get one more year out of a club champion, then nothing.

I'm not saying I'd like him to leave by any stretch; but if it gave him what he wanted, and gave us something in return (some sort of reasonable pick - it obviously wouldn't be too high), then we'd also have the chance to start building the forward line in a post Lloyd/Lucas landscape...

Agree with both of these

You guys have saved me some typing

 

[Spikey]

Re: Collingwood could offer Matthew Lloyd AFL deal

That's quite a stutter you've got there.

Stutters usually happen at the start of the word. I was stretching out the 'O' in "LOL" to highlight how incrediblly funny the prospect of Lloyd leaving Essendon for Collingwood is

 

[zen dice man]

Re: Collingwood could offer Matthew Lloyd AFL deal

Let me start by saying that I expect Lloyd to play on next year at Essendon but stand down from the captaincy.

However I still feel that this issue of him playing on is a little more involved than people are willing to believe. There is a lot is rumour and unsubstantiated innuendo, yet there are a range of issues which need to be resolved before Lloyd resigns.

To put this in context lets remember the following:

- Lloyd is the greatest goal kicker our club has ever produced and is in the top 10 goal kickers that the game has ever produced

- He has played 270 games which is in the very top echelon of players at our club

Were it not for Hird, Lloyd would clearly be the best player we have produced since Watson and Madden.

Now lets look at the way that Hird and Lucas have been treated in their final year.

- Hird was begged to play on by his coach (Sheedy) and the general public
- Hird went out on top, playing terrific football, winning a B&F and with his reputation enhanced.

- Lucas spent half the season in the VFL
- Lucas had no farewell game
- Lucas went out amid constant calls that he was no longer up to the standard from fans and the public

Now having seen both these champions (and close friends) it wouldn't take Einstein to figure out which champion Lloyd would prefer to emulate in his retiring year.

For me the main issues that Lloydy is grappling with now are:

- A perceived lack of desire and want from the coach for him to play on next season
- A frustration that his reputation is being diminished by being forced to play out of position in his latter years
- A frustration that his leadership is being forgotten and that he is still the captain of the Essendon Football Club

Whilst Lloyd has been an outstanding captain (I have been on record as saying better than Hird on numerous occasions), he is still an individual and has an ego and sense of pride. My feeling is that he does not feel as if he is being treated with the level of respect that he deserves given his outstanding contribution to the club both on and off the field. It is also worth noting that his previous coach wanted to trade him before he got the sack; something that would never have happened to a Hird, Watson or Madden.

It is easy for people to sit back and criticise Lloyd for putting himself before the team, but I feel that the club owes Matty Lloyd much much more than he owes the club. That is not to say that they should give him an extra year as a farewell tour: rather he deserves to be treated with the same level of respect as the previous greats of the club.

I can understand that Knights does not want to influence Lloyd's decision to play on. I can also understand Knights wanting to develop our forwardline for the post-Lloyd era. However it is important that we keep Lloyd in our side next season.

To lose him now would not only hurt one of our greatest champions, but would also hurt our players, our sponsors and our fans.

I'm sure Knighta will look Lloyd in the eye, tell him his is a much loved and wanted player but will be required to continue playing a semi-sacrificial role next season; a role that Lloyd will play with class and impact.

Very well articulate answer with an excellent outcome. Great post

 

[Kickett Punches Read]

Re: Collingwood could offer Matthew Lloyd AFL deal

Hypothetically, if he does want to leave and wants to join Collingwood, what would we be able to get for him?

He's not going to be able to get there in the PSD as a host of clubs, including ourselves, would take him before Collingwood.

Is he still worth a 1st round pick? Perhaps a 2nd and a player?

It was reported that Knights was quite keen on Sidebottom after what he did in the TAC Cup GF. Perhaps he would/could be part of the deal.

correct me if im wrong, but lloyd could go in the national draft and be picked up at pick 99 if he lasted that long...... i would think that collingwood would not mind getting him with their fourth round pick... id be surprised if essendon got anything for the great man if they decided that they did not want him any more

 

[daffo]

Re: Collingwood could offer Matthew Lloyd AFL deal

I have no doubts he'll play at Essendon next year, saying that if he is traded we would get a 2nd round pick for him.

I see no issue with what he is doing if
1) Knights has told him he doesn't want him at the club anymore (which I believe he has said to him)
2) He still has the passion to play
3) Another club would be interested.

If he was at another club next year I'd still cheer every goal he kicked.

 

[thebigboy]

Re: Collingwood could offer Matthew Lloyd AFL deal

correct me if im wrong, but lloyd could go in the national draft and be picked up at pick 99 if he lasted that long...... i would think that collingwood would not mind getting him with their fourth round pick... id be surprised if essendon got anything for the great man if they decided that they did not want him any more

True, he could go into the national draft, but he would face the situation that any of the 16 clubs could take him and he certainly wouldn't get to the very bottom picks in the draft.

Honestly, I know I threw up the idea of a 1st round pick or 2nd round pick and a player, and that is more than what he is worth. But really, the chances of him going to another club is very slim. He will be a EFC player in 2010 or he will retire.

If Collingwood want him, they are going to have to pay a little bit over the odds. If they are prepared to let him go into the draft, they probably won't get him.

 

[Darealrath]

Re: Collingwood could offer Matthew Lloyd AFL deal

I'd be physically ill if he plays for another club.

A club legend who is being absolutely shafted. Play him ff next season and he'll kick 50 goals no problem.