Roast Media Shakes Head, Part 7

[Enviable Tradition]

We were 0-5 because we had a fair amount of injuries. Players are coming back and we are winning again. It's not that hard to work out...

Yeah there's no way we could have beaten the immensely talented Crows with a better coach...

 

[Powertron]

Yeah there's no way we could have beaten the immensely talented Crows with a better coach...

or Hawks

 

[EskimoPAFC]

We were 0-5 because we had a fair amount of injuries. Players are coming back and we are winning again. It's not that hard to work out...

You could argue its the exact opposite.

Lycett getting injured forced our s**t selection decision makers to finally play Hayes, which had a flow on effect to the rest of the team.

Its also taken a while but our forward line in the past 4 weeks has probably looked as good as it has in the past decade, albeit against s**t opponents. Its because they've had no Dixon to base the shitty game plan around and have gradually had to learn to play as actual forwards again.

 

[Janus]

> we only lost because we had players out
> we are winning again against WCE (out: AFL players, in: WAFL spuds), WB (sans their best ruck and arguably the best skilled mid in the league) and Norf (lolnorf but also without their best mids in Simpkin and JHF

Hmmm.

I wonder who ladder leading Brisbane and Melbourne have played for their wins? Let's see:

Melbourne - Western Bulldogs (9th), Gold Coast (12th), Essendon (16th), Port Adelaide (10th), GWS (15th), Richmond (8th), Hawthorn (13th), St Kilda (6th), West Coast (18th)...and they play North Melbourne (17th) this week.

Brisbane - Port Adelaide (10th), Essendon (16th), North Melbourne (17th), Collingwood (11th), Gold Coast (12th), Sydney (5th), West Coast (18th), Adelaide (14th)...and they play Hawthorn this week.

So neither of these sides has won against more than two teams in the top eight, and none of the current top four.

Meanwhile, we've played 3 of the current top four (Melbourne, Brisbane, Carlton) and this weekend will have played 5 of the current top 8.

It's pretty funny how apparently we can mention who is missing from other teams to diminish our wins, but when people mention that Dixon, Aliir, Gray, Clurey, Lycett, Wines, Fantasia, Bergman, McKenzie and Duursma have been missing at various points of the year, forcing us to play guys like Mayes, McEntee, Skinner and Mead and robbing us of the chance to play guys like Rozee and Butters in the midfield...suddenly that reasoning doesn't fly.

 

[Enviable Tradition]

Hmmm.

I wonder who ladder leading Brisbane and Melbourne have played for their wins? Let's see:

Melbourne - Western Bulldogs (9th), Gold Coast (12th), Essendon (16th), Port Adelaide (10th), GWS (15th), Richmond (8th), Hawthorn (13th), St Kilda (6th), West Coast (18th)...and they play North Melbourne (17th) this week.

Brisbane - Port Adelaide (10th), Essendon (16th), North Melbourne (17th), Collingwood (11th), Gold Coast (12th), Sydney (5th), West Coast (18th), Adelaide (14th)...and they play Hawthorn this week.

So neither of these sides has won against more than two teams in the top eight, and none of the current top four.

Meanwhile, we've played 3 of the current top four (Melbourne, Brisbane, Carlton) and this weekend will have played 5 of the current top 8.

It's pretty funny how apparently we can mention who is missing from other teams to diminish our wins, but when people mention that Dixon, Aliir, Gray, Clurey, Lycett, Wines, Fantasia, Bergman, McKenzie and Duursma have been missing at various points of the year, forcing us to play guys like Mayes, McEntee, Skinner and Mead and robbing us of the chance to play guys like Rozee and Butters in the midfield...suddenly that reasoning doesn't fly.

We weren't robbed of a chance to play Rozee and Butters in the middle, we chose not to.

If our coaches think forward pocket is more important than midfield that's on them.

 

[GoPorts]

We weren't robbed of a chance to play Rozee and Butters in the middle, we chose not to.

If your coaches think forward pocket is more important than midfield that's on them.

Also weren't forced to play Mayes at full forward or take 5 weeks to realise its not ideal to kick to a spot hoping the spirit of Charlie Dixon might bring the ball to ground rather than adjusting for the three mobile tall forwards we actually had playing

 

[Tibbs]

Hmmm.

I wonder who ladder leading Brisbane and Melbourne have played for their wins? Let's see:

Melbourne - Western Bulldogs (9th), Gold Coast (12th), Essendon (16th), Port Adelaide (10th), GWS (15th), Richmond (8th), Hawthorn (13th), St Kilda (6th), West Coast (18th)...and they play North Melbourne (17th) this week.

Brisbane - Port Adelaide (10th), Essendon (16th), North Melbourne (17th), Collingwood (11th), Gold Coast (12th), Sydney (5th), West Coast (18th), Adelaide (14th)...and they play Hawthorn this week.

So neither of these sides has won against more than two teams in the top eight, and none of the current top four.

Meanwhile, we've played 3 of the current top four (Melbourne, Brisbane, Carlton) and this weekend will have played 5 of the current top 8.

It's pretty funny how apparently we can mention who is missing from other teams to diminish our wins, but when people mention that Dixon, Aliir, Gray, Clurey, Lycett, Wines, Fantasia, Bergman, McKenzie and Duursma have been missing at various points of the year, forcing us to play guys like Mayes, McEntee, Skinner and Mead and robbing us of the chance to play guys like Rozee and Butters in the midfield...suddenly that reasoning doesn't fly.

No Janus, just no! What you write sounds fair on paper, but is just not accurate.

Firstly, we didnt have all those players out at once. A capable team that is well-coached, should have been able to cover the injuries we have had. All the top teams have had similar numbers of outs, but have covered them well.

Secondly, there were serious flaws in the way we covered those injuries. For example, having Rozee train all pre-season with the mids, then playing him as a forward from round one was a travesty. If Fantasia is injured & cant play, then replace him with small forward, and leave Rozee in the position he trained for. The fact that they were able to move Rozee into the middle halfway through the Carlton match and he almost drags us over the line, clearly showed this should have been the way forward from round 1.

Thirdly, some really poor decisions like playing Mayes at full-forward was diabolical. And we could go on .....

As mentioned, Dixon's absence has been a blessing in disguise, for many reasons.

Fact is that we were very poorly managed in the first 5 games. There is no getting around it.

 

[Schulzenfest]

Hmmm.

I wonder who ladder leading Brisbane and Melbourne have played for their wins? Let's see:

Melbourne - Western Bulldogs (9th), Gold Coast (12th), Essendon (16th), Port Adelaide (10th), GWS (15th), Richmond (8th), Hawthorn (13th), St Kilda (6th), West Coast (18th)...and they play North Melbourne (17th) this week.

Brisbane - Port Adelaide (10th), Essendon (16th), North Melbourne (17th), Collingwood (11th), Gold Coast (12th), Sydney (5th), West Coast (18th), Adelaide (14th)...and they play Hawthorn this week.

So neither of these sides has won against more than two teams in the top eight, and none of the current top four.

Meanwhile, we've played 3 of the current top four (Melbourne, Brisbane, Carlton) and this weekend will have played 5 of the current top 8.

It's pretty funny how apparently we can mention who is missing from other teams to diminish our wins, but when people mention that Dixon, Aliir, Gray, Clurey, Lycett, Wines, Fantasia, Bergman, McKenzie and Duursma have been missing at various points of the year, forcing us to play guys like Mayes, McEntee, Skinner and Mead and robbing us of the chance to play guys like Rozee and Butters in the midfield...suddenly that reasoning doesn't fly.

We were never forced to play Mayes and McEntee, we chose to. Hayes and Finlayson were playing SANFL while we had those spuds running around for us, because Hinkley is a bad coach.

 

[EskimoPAFC]

Also the whole argument is based on Melbourne and Brisbane having had a soft draw because they got to play us.... which is sort of the entire counter-point.

 

[VineValerian]

You could argue its the exact opposite.

Lycett getting injured forced our s**t selection decision makers to finally play Hayes, which had a flow on effect to the rest of the team.

Its also taken a while but our forward line in the past 4 weeks has probably looked as good as it has in the past decade, albeit against s**t opponents. Its because they've had no Dixon to base the shitty game plan around and have gradually had to learn to play as actual forwards again.

Organic growth!
Learning on the run.

May not be as perfect as a continuation of the stabilty of a long rehearsed game plan - but when the game plan is flawed and unsustainable, then the resultant improvements have been quite stark.

The Lesson: KH is a decent, but not a top shelf coach, lacking tactical nouse, the capacity to adjust on-the-fly during games, and the self awareness to realise that preaching the same sermon and expecting a different result are not interconnected. He gives his best, but that "best" will never reach the zenith we all hope for. He's been forced to change due to circumstance, and it's proven to be a new way forward that potentially is far superior than the old alternative. Is he capable of changing in the face of this new evidence? Or will he revert to type when we have close to a full team back in harness?

 

[StrappingTape]

I like the injuries excuse but then the complete glossing over that we beat St Kilda and the Bulldogs sans a lot of their top talent.

 

[JimmyBC]

There's always a gazillion excuses as to why we can't 'total football' it's been a decade I'm kinda tired.

 

[malcheski]

Any time anyone wants to use injuries as an excuse I just remember the time Richmond’s VFL side came over here, gave us a wedgie and took our lunch money whilst holding a rank $2.80 outside status.


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[JimmyBC]

Any time anyone wants to use injuries as an excuse I just remember the time Richmond’s VFL side came over here, gave us a wedgie and took our lunch money whilst holding a rank $2.80 outside status.


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We need everyone on deck meanwhile guys like Clarkson & Dimma can get spuds playing roles & on the dais.

 

[Launchpad McQuack]

Hmmm.

I wonder who ladder leading Brisbane and Melbourne have played for their wins? Let's see:

Melbourne - Western Bulldogs (9th), Gold Coast (12th), Essendon (16th), Port Adelaide (10th), GWS (15th), Richmond (8th), Hawthorn (13th), St Kilda (6th), West Coast (18th)...and they play North Melbourne (17th) this week.

Brisbane - Port Adelaide (10th), Essendon (16th), North Melbourne (17th), Collingwood (11th), Gold Coast (12th), Sydney (5th), West Coast (18th), Adelaide (14th)...and they play Hawthorn this week.

So neither of these sides has won against more than two teams in the top eight, and none of the current top four.

Meanwhile, we've played 3 of the current top four (Melbourne, Brisbane, Carlton) and this weekend will have played 5 of the current top 8.

It's pretty funny how apparently we can mention who is missing from other teams to diminish our wins, but when people mention that Dixon, Aliir, Gray, Clurey, Lycett, Wines, Fantasia, Bergman, McKenzie and Duursma have been missing at various points of the year, forcing us to play guys like Mayes, McEntee, Skinner and Mead and robbing us of the chance to play guys like Rozee and Butters in the midfield...suddenly that reasoning doesn't fly.

Okay you convinced me. We're good now.

 

[VineValerian]

Okay you convinced me. We're good now.

Were compltely invincible

 

[Launchpad McQuack]

Were compltely invincible

 

[PatientMental]

Janus probably thinks that Stuart Dew

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is the greatest coach ever.

He's beaten 4th, 5th, and 6th and is 3-3 against the top 6.

 

[robbo1981]

So Eddie wants to change the GF time to make more money bugger tradition.
But we can't wear a traditional gurnsey that would make as alot of money because we love it?
*en hypocrite flog toughen up Port Adelaide talk is cheap don't ask tell the AFL we are wearing it.
Really starting to piss me right off.

 

[sobrave]

Lol people still read Janus posts?

 

[TeeKray]

So Eddie wants to change the GF time to make more money bugger tradition.
But we can't wear a traditional gurnsey that would make as alot of money because we love it?
ducken hypocrite flog toughen up Port Adelaide talk is cheap don't ask tell the AFL we are wearing it.
Really starting to piss me right off.

I'm over blaming Eddie. Our club don't care. It's their fault.

 

[robbo1981]

I'm over blaming Eddie. Our club don't care. It's their fault.

That's why I said toughen up Port doesn't change the fact that eddies a flog.

 

[johnnysix]

We were 0-5 because we had a fair amount of injuries. Players are coming back and we are winning again. It's not that hard to work out...

I guess we should win this weekend then. Hope so.

 

[Andre]

We need everyone on deck meanwhile guys like Clarkson & Dimma can get spuds playing roles & on the dais.

It's almost like having a system and game plan that isn't just 'hope good players can have a blinder' gets you flags.

 

[johnnysix]

The Lesson: KH is a decent, but not a top shelf coach, lacking tactical nouse, the capacity to adjust on-the-fly during games, and the self awareness to realise that preaching the same sermon and expecting a different result are not interconnected. He gives his best, but that "best" will never reach the zenith we all hope for. He's been forced to change due to circumstance, and it's proven to be a new way forward that potentially is far superior than the old alternative. Is he capable of changing in the face of this new evidence? Or will he revert to type when we have close to a full team back in harness?

Well said. Some of the craziness in the Sack Hinkley thread is way OTT and personal and only serves to make our supporter-base look nuts. What you've said here is a pretty decent encapsulation. The problem is that we've stumbled onto a way forward, and it's no evidence of Ken's ability to adapt or even work through our flaws. Some of the biggest gains we've had over time have been made by our list management team. The board need t be very clear on this and questions need to be asked why it took so long get here. Coaches will often talk about how it's difficult to adjust to momentum swings late in a game, as getting the message out and any adjustments understood can take longer than you'd think. It seems with our group (coaching), it can take not minutes but weeks.