Merged Draft threads - Part 2

[eth-dog]

Why does everyone want to draft Hurley? we can draft a MID that we actually NEED. D. Daniher is one of two young players currently at the club who can swing from forward to back. Darcy is big, not strong enough yet, but mobile enough to play on a key Forward. The other one is Cale Hooker, give him the upper body strength and he'll be a gun down back. Who do we want forward, and who back? htat is why we don't need Hurley

 

[Red Black and Blue]

Why does everyone want to draft Hurley? we can draft a MID that we actually NEED. D. Daniher is one of two young players currently at the club who can swing from forward to back. Darcy is big, not strong enough yet, but mobile enough to play on a key Forward. The other one is Cale Hooker, give him the upper body strength and he'll be a gun down back. Who do we want forward, and who back? htat is why we don't need Hurley

Do Danniher or Hooker really have/or will have the bodies to be long term KP prospect, IMO no. We have drafted replacements for all of the other KP posts but we are crying out for a FB, and I have plenty of faith we find a class mid in the 15 or so young midfielders we have on our list.

 

[Sigmund]

Do Danniher or Hooker really have/or will have the bodies to be long term KP prospect, IMO no. We have drafted replacements for all of the other KP posts but we are crying out for a FB, and I have plenty of faith we find a class mid in the 15 or so young midfielders we have on our list.

Tend to agree with you Jonesy.. Not sure if Hooker and Daniher are genuine KP prospects at this point (Hooker hopefully, not sure if Darcy has the size? - seems better suited to 3rd tall).

 

[The_Young_Gun]

You thought we'd let someone with his potential go already?!?

I completely forgotten about him... Has barely played any games at all. simply just forgot bout' him.

Hasn't been mentioned much over BigFooty much either.

 

[reincarnated]

Why does everyone want to draft Hurley? we can draft a MID that we actually NEED. D. Daniher is one of two young players currently at the club who can swing from forward to back. Darcy is big, not strong enough yet, but mobile enough to play on a key Forward. The other one is Cale Hooker, give him the upper body strength and he'll be a gun down back. Who do we want forward, and who back? htat is why we don't need Hurley

I tend to agree with you...

Before the 07 draft the argument was that we drafted all midfielders (Jetta, Hislop, Davey, Houli and Reimers) and we needed to draft KPPs and a ruckman for 07 draft.

Last year we drafted Myers, Pears, Daniher, Hooker, Bellchambers and Williams. (ie. All defensive prospects)

Our first pick doesn't have to be a defender. I mean, when was the last time a team picked up a gun defender in the top 5 picks. (Hansen hasn't done anything so far).

We could always pick up the best available defender at our second pick.

 

[Smyth94]

I tend to agree with you...

Before the 07 draft the argument was that we drafted all midfielders (Jetta, Hislop, Davey, Houli and Reimers) and we needed to draft KPPs and a ruckman for 07 draft.

Last year we drafted Myers, Pears, Daniher, Hooker, Bellchambers and Williams. (ie. All defensive prospects)

Our first pick doesn't have to be a defender. I mean, when was the last time a team picked up a gun defender in the top 5 picks. (Hansen hasn't done anything so far).

We could always pick up the best available defender at our second pick.

Thats wrong. He's looked very good at times playing the third tall and roaming on a wing.

 

[ant555]

(Hansen hasn't done anything so far).

Guess you did not see much of North late in the season.
Hanson actually played some pretty handy games between round 12 and 20.

 

[reincarnated]

Thats wrong. He's looked very good at times playing the third tall and roaming on a wing.

Guess you did not see much of North late in the season.
Hanson actually played some pretty handy games between round 12 and 20.

I didn't complete my sentence...Hansen hasn't done anything so far to be classified as a gun. Anyways apart from him, Top 5 picks haven't normally been used for defenders.

Gasper I think was top 5 all those years ago.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Hurley is NOT just a defender, FFS he has played most of this season at CHF. Can play at both ends of the field, just suits us more at CHB, but I would not be surprised to see him spend some time (If he is drafted by Essendon) at CHF next season to avoid him marking Buddy and co.

 

[reincarnated]

Not sure if this has been already discussed...

Jacob Hislop brother of Tom played for Tassie in this year's national champs. Is he eligible for this year? If yes, is he worth considering late in the draft...possibly 3rd or 4th round?

Haven't read anything about him in the player profiles.

Also there was a Slattery playing for SA...Considering Henry is from SA, I think this one could be one of his brothers???

 

[Yoda_]

Am really considering us to pick up Ziebell, and hope we get one of Riley Milne/Brodie A/Vard or another of the young backs later in the draft with our 3rd or 4th round picks, as alot of people have said, key position defenders have rarely come out of the first round, just some food for thought, Hurley seems a little different, but am really starting to lean towards Ziebell.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Also there was a Slattery playing for SA...Considering Henry is from SA, I think this one could be one of his brothers???

Do we really want another Slattery?

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Am really considering us to pick up Ziebell, and hope we get one of Riley Milne/Brodie A/Vard or another of the young backs later in the draft with our 3rd or 4th round picks, as alot of people have said, key position defenders have rarely come out of the first round, just some food for thought, Hurley seems a little different, but am really starting to lean towards Ziebell.

How many times does this need to be said Hurley is NOT just a defender. I wouldn't mind Ziebell but I would rather we pick Hurley and hope Tom Swift falls to our next pick or hope we can trade Lovett for WC's PP and get Swift there.

pick 5- Hurley
2nd round- Tom Swift

perfect

 

[Barts]

How many times does this need to be said Hurley is NOT just a defender. I wouldn't mind Ziebell but I would rather we pick Hurley and hope Tom Swift falls to our next pick or hope we can trade Lovett for WC's PP and get Swift there.

pick 5- Hurley
2nd round- Tom Swift

perfect

Not just a defender right. Gumby and Jay say hello. Unless your banking on them being injured I wouldnt be a fan of the 3 of them being in the same forward line. And its great to have versitility, but if we draft a player to play full back with our first pick, Id want him to stay there.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Eventually he will play CHB as I do feel Ryder will play FB. But in his first year or two don't be surprised to see him play forward a bit (and Gumby and Neagle have to be fit anyway for starters). I am just saying that he is not "just a defender" as some people are saying. He is a versatile KPP, who is a very good KP back which is exactly what we need. If Rich is not there (and he won't) I want Hurley at pick 5, hope that Swift falls to our 2nd pick! He could be the best midfielder out of the whole draft to be honest.

 

[Sigmund]

Am really considering us to pick up Ziebell, and hope we get one of Riley Milne/Brodie A/Vard or another of the young backs later in the draft with our 3rd or 4th round picks, as alot of people have said, key position defenders have rarely come out of the first round, just some food for thought, Hurley seems a little different, but am really starting to lean towards Ziebell.

See where you are coming from here HFF. One of the things to consider is that Hurley has been rated the best defender of the last 2 champs. So we can not assume that the KPB we may pick up in second round will be in the same class has Hurley. It seems like a gamble, given that in 2010 we can be sure we will need another FB (assuming pears does not step up to be this person and is still HBF or BP)

 

[Red Black and Blue]

Not just a defender right. Gumby and Jay say hello. Unless your banking on them being injured I wouldnt be a fan of the 3 of them being in the same forward line. And its great to have versitility, but if we draft a player to play full back with our first pick, Id want him to stay there.

You never know if Gumby will ever overcome his injuries or whether or not the 2 odd years he has been outta the game hinders his development. A lot of Essendon supporters are putting their eggs in one basket re. Gumbleton. It wouldn't hurt for us to draft multiple options.

 

[Barts]

You never know if Gumby will ever overcome his injuries or whether or not the 2 odd years he has been outta the game hinders his development. A lot of Essendon supporters are putting their eggs in one basket re. Gumbleton. It wouldn't hurt for us to draft multiple options.

Nick Riewoldt had problems in his 1st year and early in his 2nd. The fact Gumby did his collarbone is just bad luck. When I said G'day to him last he said his hammies feel good.

Talent isn't a thing that just disappears over night. He wasnt drafted at #2 on the hope he is going to be good. He had great hands and great endurance and I'm sure once luck turns his way he will be a good player for us. Perhaps next year or the year after we look at what we can do to get multiple options. This year we need a Key back and a midfielder.

As good as being versatile is, the best lock down players are defensive minded. I won't mind drafting Hurley as long as his pace is ok but I don't want to have a slow full back when I really don't think the gorilla type full forwards will still be apart of our game in 10 years.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

See where you are coming from here HFF. One of the things to consider is that Hurley has been rated the best defender of the last 2 champs. So we can not assume that the KPB we may pick up in second round will be in the same class has Hurley. It seems like a gamble, given that in 2010 we can be sure we will need another FB (assuming pears does not step up to be this person and is still HBF or BP)

Exactky, and that is why Hurley is a must. The KP backs will not be in the same class as Hurley in the 2nd round. Midfielders are dime and dozen to be honest and would a bloke like a Tom Swift be any worse than a Ziebell..doubt it.

 

[Yoda_]

We should look at where we lack,

Key defenders:

Paddy Ryder
Tayte Pears
Cale Hooker
??

gun midfielders.

Mark Mcveigh
Jobe Watson
Brent Stanton


Forwards

Scott Gumbleton
Jay Neagle
Darcy Daniher
Jason Laycock?? may play more forward than ruck, then swap with Hille...

we have alot of mids that are solid, but would not mind a gun mid, this is where we could get a Ziebell or Hartlett, and pick up a back later in the draft, what would happen if, Jordan Lisle's draft camp results come back ALOt better than Hurley, even though Hurley is the better backmen, could we choose Lisle with an upgraded pick for Andrew Lovett, and Ziebell with our first pick,

Just a thought???

 

[LukeParkerno1]

No, I'd rather take Hurley and take a punt on a midfielder with our traded pick for Lovett or our 2nd rounder. Midfielders in this draft (apart from Rich) are all fairly similar from picks 4-30 really. A bloke like Tom Swift with our 2nd pick is perfect. Hurley is perfect for us, will help Ryder out a lot. Midfielders are found all around the draft, KPP backs are not (do not rate Lisle at all to be honest). We need to fix our spine up before we fix our midfielders. We still have Houli, Stanton, Watson,etc as mids so it is not as if we need a midfielder right now. If we can't get Daniel Rich, I want Hurley. The ONLY other one I'd consider would be Vickery but I doubt he will last past Port's pick.

 

[The_Young_Gun]

With defenders you never know what your gonna get...

The great backman of the game have usually come from very late draft picks... (like from picks 40 to 70)

There's also the fact that you never know what your getting in any draft under any conditions.

Once the EFC.com top 30 draft prospects list comes out we'll get a good idea of who we'll target the most. (eg.defenders or midfielders)

 

[ant555]

How many times does this need to be said Hurley is NOT just a defender. I wouldn't mind Ziebell but I would rather we pick Hurley and hope Tom Swift falls to our next pick or hope we can trade Lovett for WC's PP and get Swift there.

pick 5- Hurley
2nd round- Tom Swift

perfect

I think you need to change your user name to flip-flop. Every week you seem to have another opinion. It was only a few months ago we had to tank to get Rich. Then when we won a few games it was draft a gun mid even if it was not Rich. Have to draft a gun mid. No way should we spend our first round pick on a defender you said.
Now you want Hurley.
You still prance around here like you are some sort of draft expert when all you know about the players involved is what you have read on the drafts and trading board.

No, I'd rather take Hurley and take a punt on a midfielder with our traded pick for Lovett or our 2nd rounder. Midfielders in this draft (apart from Rich) are all fairly similar from picks 4-30 really. A bloke like Tom Swift with our 2nd pick is perfect. Hurley is perfect for us, will help Ryder out a lot. Midfielders are found all around the draft, KPP backs are not (do not rate Lisle at all to be honest). We need to fix our spine up before we fix our midfielders. We still have Houli, Stanton, Watson,etc as mids so it is not as if we need a midfielder right now. If we can't get Daniel Rich, I want Hurley. The ONLY other one I'd consider would be Vickery but I doubt he will last past Port's pick.

Flip flop at it again. Now we are considering a ruckman as well. Funny how a few people start talking up Vickery and bingo you all of a sudden have a liking for him as well.
You have totally changed direction from saying we have to draft a gun mid first round at all costs to now saying we have enough mids.
You change your mind more than Robert Walls :eek

 

[elusive midfielder]

the facts are we could have had the last 2 NAB rising star awardees in selwood and palmer, we would now have an elite midfield which would allow us to easily pick up hurley. picking solid elite midfielders from 2nd round onwards is a needle in a haystack, I can only think of Nick stevens, kerr, sam mitchell (rookie), simon black theres probably a couple more but few and far between.

 

[timbo3195]

Alright, so I was just thinking and I've constructed a plan of attack when it comes to trading and drafting. I just want to know what people think of some of my ideas, well here goes.

So it's highly likely we're trading Lovett for a 2nd Rnd Draft Pick.
Could it be possible to then trade our two 2nd Rnd Draft Picks for a 1st Rnd?

Now, I really want Hurley but we desperately need a gun midfielder too which is why I would hope the above could result in Hurley & Swift both wearing Essendon jumpers next year.

Okay, and this is the interesting part.
Maybe we should draft Cousins? He could be that A-Grade midfielder we need while our hopefully 'to-be A-Grade Midfielder' we draft develops, if that makes any sense whatsoever. His name hasn't come up in ages though, have I missed anything?

That'll do for now, opinions please.