Mickey Arthur to be named new coach today

[The Passenger]

will be interesting to see how this changes thing.

i think captaincy plays a far greater role in cricket than coaches... in fact at the top level i'm still not really sold on how much of a role a coach plays. not saying they're unnecessary....

from a motiviation point of view cricket isn't like football where you can rev a bloke up and he can physically let loose... you really need to find the motivation from within because there is a lot of time standing on your own out in the field whether it be bowling, fielding or batting...

from a technical perspective there is definately something to add, but i still think a team at this level is usually going to get more from the playing group than most of the coaches. not all coaches obviously.

tactics wise they can definately throw up some ideas but the actual implementation of them really comes down purely to the captain. it's one of the few team sports i can think of where it's the captain calling the shots on the field, not the coach/manager (davis cup and team golf may call them a captain but they play the same role as coach/manager just a different name)...

preperation is probably the most important area for a coach and this was something that john buchanan (for all his ******** tendancy's) didn't leave to chance. knowing the opposition, and being organised and motivated about it, and passing that onto the playing group is probably the biggest influence a coach can have on a cricket team at the top level.

will be interesting none the less and it would appear to be between him and boof lehmann and boof didn't apply (reportdly)...

interestingly we now have a saffer running our national cricket team, a kiwi running out national rugby team, and an irishmen running our national airline... the way of the world now

 

[Kyptastic]

Listening to how the Indians talked about Gary Kirsten and the English about Andy Flower would suggest to me that the role of a coach is vitally important, particularly with underperforming teams.

 

[legend166]

At this rate we'll never me rid of Mitchell Johnson.

 

[Hellgood]

At least it looks like Haddin is on the way out. Amazed that there is barely two pages on this! Is everyone sleeping or something after last night? Meltdown central on Foxsports webste at the moment though, seems racism is more prevalent in Australians than I thought.

 

[aussierulesrules]

We do have a future though.

We'll have to build it without Micky though, good luck to him. Langer for the WA job?

Please take Langer. Pretty please.

 

[The Passenger]

Listening to how the Indians talked about Gary Kirsten and the English about Andy Flower would suggest to me that the role of a coach is vitally important, particularly with underperforming teams.

i guess, but it works both ways.

listening to warney he is very disparagging of coaches aside from the occasional visits he made to TJ.

there are people on both sides of the divide.

i do agree if you get a coach with a bad attitude or one that doesn't gel with the team and causes disharmony than it can be poison within the playing group, and in these cases you're probably better off without one...

 

[Cousin Jed]

At least it looks like Haddin is on the way out. Amazed that there is barely two pages on this! Is everyone sleeping or something after last night? Meltdown central on Foxsports webste at the moment though, seems racism is more prevalent in Australians than I thought.

Meltdown - about what? That we appointed a foreign coach?

Arthur is one of the more impressive individuals I have heard speak. Certainly so in comparison to mental pigmy Nielsen

 

[frankrizzo]

Warne is a Chappelli acolyte, and we all know how he feels about cricket coaches because he tells us every chance he gets.

Problem with those blokes is they then go out in the media and rate the skills of various coaches(Buchanan bad for example/his brother greg misunderstood in india) if all coaches are equally worthless why do they bother rating their achievements?

And why did warne accept money to coach his ipl team if such a role shouldn't exist?

Two legendary players but both seem to have flexible ethics and beliefs depending on who is getting the paycheck.

 

[PalaceGun]

And why did warne accept money to coach his ipl team if such a role shouldn't exist?

because he rightfully stated that a coach in the IPL is a complete waste of time and space so he figured he'd "do it himself". Not sure he took any extra cash for the role.

 

[frankrizzo]

If warnie missed out on a chance to squeeze out a few extra bucks then he must be slipping in his old age.

 

[PalaceGun]

Meltdown central on Foxsports webste at the moment though, seems racism is more prevalent in Australians than I thought.

What are they saying, "Whitey, go home?"

 

[The Passenger]

i must admit i had a bit of a chuckle at the ironing of shane warne becoming a coach, even if it was the mickey mouse ipl.

i don't think they'd ever do away with coaches at the top level, and nor should they, i just think their role is not near as important as it is in other sports. probably the main reason is becasue as a player you do a lot of watching (be it standing on the field, or watching from the stands, or watching whilst in the nets), so lot of coaching advice comes from within the playing group.

unlike football where the players are expected to be right in the middle of it and the coach is overseeing things and the patterns players run and all that sort of stuff.

as said i think the most important thing a coach does in the modern era is preperation for his team in terms of the opposition and the conditions they are going to face. john buchanan was renowned for this with his video cameras, laptops and so on and so forth. technical, motiviational and tactical coaching is done a lot from within the playing group.

 

[frankrizzo]

My biggest issue with warne's attitude is when he needed it he relied on coaching from jenner, sure you can call it a tune up or guidance or support or whatever word you want but what jenner was doing was coaching warne.

 

[Doodlesweaver]

Damn. From a selfish view-point he was the man I wanted to lead WA into the near future.

Same here. I'm a bit pissed off as for once we were showing something in the Shield. Though with the injury list, that was probably not going to be maintained anyway.

 

[Doodlesweaver]

My biggest issue with warne's attitude is when he needed it he relied on coaching from jenner, sure you can call it a tune up or guidance or support or whatever word you want but what jenner was doing was coaching warne.

There's that and Warne thinks everyone is like him or should be. That sort of talent and brain for the game.

 

[The Governor]

I thought Rixon was the go

The Governor, gee, he'll be fuming.

I am not angry at all.

I am rapt that Mickey Arthur was selected as the new head coach of Australia. He brings something different to the table.

 

[Magpies B2B]

I'm happy with the appointment. He has got a good cricket brain, good with the media and a fresh face (not an internal promotion from CA like Nielsen).

 

[imadodgyumpire]

The only worry I have with Arthur is, my memory of both AUS vs SA series in 08/09. His coaching contributed to winning over here but also contributed to losing their home series e.g Once they had beaten AUS he told Steyn to have a rest, don't bowl, just relax. That screwed up Steyn for the test series over there and was a reason for SA losing. Looking back, would've been better to keep drilling Steyn (as is the case with some bowlers) and keep him sharp. SA didn't play a test for 10 months after that and few one-dayers, he could've had a rest then. I don't know, it's just something that's stuck with me and blotted his book for mine. Maybe, he's a bit too easy going?

 

[outabounds]

Happy with the choice- wish him luck.

 

[damochandler]

he took a basket case team and gee were they ever from the duldrums and remember they got hammered by the poms at home just before he took over. to the top of world cricket. i think he can do a good job

 

[Hellgood]

Meltdown - about what? That we appointed a foreign coach?

Arthur is one of the more impressive individuals I have heard speak. Certainly so in comparison to mental pigmy Nielsen

"Does that mean our team will become arrogant and negative like the South Africans????"

"What crap, does he even know the national anthem?? This is worse than Deans taking over the wallabies!!! Stick with the home grown coaches!"

"Argh , what a disgrace! I thought having Aussies coach Australia was the last thing that Cricket Australia was doing right."


Guess the joke is on me from reading the readers comment section on news sites! I was probably overreacting saying it was racism, but it's pretty xenophobic. Good appointment, he won't be afraid to make changes and has expressed enthusiam at having the role. The only Australian candidates who I think may be better is Lehmann and possibly Tim Coyle.

 

[big_e]

I am not angry at all.

I am rapt that Mickey Arthur was selected as the new head coach of Australia. He brings something different to the table.

Short post, no anger and no mention of either Aaron Finch or Gregory Stephen.

I think someone's hacked your account, Gov.

 

[BarneyBent]

My biggest issue with warne's attitude is when he needed it he relied on coaching from jenner, sure you can call it a tune up or guidance or support or whatever word you want but what jenner was doing was coaching warne.

I don't think Warne has ever been against specialist coaching. He has coached other spinners, most notably Steve Smith, and drastically changed Smith's bowling technique (when he first came on the scene, Smith skipped to the crease and bowled toppies, looking more like Cameron White), and of course has benefited from coaching himself. Warne has only ever been against the idea of a head coach, who I guess he saw as doing nothing the captain couldn't do.

 

[Phone]

Short post, no anger and no mention of either Aaron Finch or Gregory Stephen.

I think someone's hacked your account, Gov.

I think he's accepted the dream is over

 

[TheBrownlowMan37]

At least it looks like Haddin is on the way out. Amazed that there is barely two pages on this! Is everyone sleeping or something after last night? Meltdown central on Foxsports webste at the moment though, seems racism is more prevalent in Australians than I thought.

"Does that mean our team will become arrogant and negative like the South Africans????"

"What crap, does he even know the national anthem?? This is worse than Deans taking over the wallabies!!! Stick with the home grown coaches!"

"Argh , what a disgrace! I thought having Aussies coach Australia was the last thing that Cricket Australia was doing right."


Guess the joke is on me from reading the readers comment section on news sites! I was probably overreacting saying it was racism, but it's pretty xenophobic. Good appointment, he won't be afraid to make changes and has expressed enthusiam at having the role. The only Australian candidates who I think may be better is Lehmann and possibly Tim Coyle.

Since when did South African become a race? Australian isn't a race, either.

Those comments you quoted aren't racist. Bigoted, but not racist.

edit: I see you corrected the racism accusation in your second post.