Society/Culture Morrison Makes It Official, Whatever The Cost, We Will Not Surrender To China's Threats

[parsons nose]

The nuclear risk is rising dramatically right now.

How so? And from whom?

 

[Demonic Ascent]

Presumably your talking about about the Australian soldier photo. The motivation Of the minister involved would be directed more towards the Chinese citizens than us. The message being ‘we dont care what others think because we are the future’. Standby for an increase in crass provocations coming out of our Far East neighbour.

I think the motivation was to call out the hypocrisy of our position in calling out their human rights abuses when our hands aren't exactly clean either. The scale may be different but I can understand why they're using these tactics.

 

[Freo Big Fella]

Amateur hour at the Lodge.

 

[Thrawn]

Afghan lives matter

But the Uighur Muslims do not, apparently.

Or all the people they starved to death during the great leap forward with a death count that'd make Stalin blush.

 

[Roby]

But the Uighur Muslims do not, apparently.

Or all the people they starved to death during the great leap forward with a death count that'd make Stalin blush.

They're just disgusting.

 

[Ok Boomer]

Scomo lashing out at that tweet was such a foolish thing to do. Not quite as foolish as the solo call for an independent COVID investigation 5 months into the pandemic (we will look back on this as the biggest foreign policy misstep of the decade), but it was still too emotional and dumb.

The Chinese know he can be provoked, we as Australians know he can be provoked and can be a feeble leader in a crisis. It is embarrassing. Labor of course didn't say a world against him because they are spineless and were too scared of the optics of not supporting the ADF.

 

[Carringbush2010]

So how childish does China look now? How long will China keep picking fights with the world and expect nothing to happen? Only a matter of time before the rest of the world will bring them to heel.

Yeah China is a big dawg, but it ain't the world - if they keep going like this the major powers will bring them to heel, bookmark it.

• USA (Be it Joe or Drumph)
• Great Britain
• Germany to a lesser extent

Most of the worlds medium powers (Including Australia) are allies with the big two and are absolutely vital to them, nah this isn't just gonna die in the wind. China is on a hiding to embarrassment and painting themselves in a corner. They can redeem themselves if they behave cordially.

 

[Carringbush2010]

Scomo lashing out at that tweet was such a foolish thing to do. Not quite as foolish as the solo call for an independent COVID investigation 5 months into the pandemic (we will look back on this as the biggest foreign policy misstep of the decade), but it was still too emotional and dumb.

The Chinese know he can be provoked, we as Australians know he can be provoked and can be a feeble leader in a crisis. It is embarrassing. Labor of course didn't say a world against him because they are spineless and were too scared of the optics of not supporting the ADF.

So what was the response you were expecting? Going by your post, and you're right, he's damned if he does damned if he doesn't.

Rather he put up a stance than run with his tail between his legs.

 

[Carringbush2010]

But the Uighur Muslims do not, apparently.

Or all the people they starved to death during the great leap forward with a death count that'd make Stalin blush.

This, you and I and everyone else know the situation with the Uyghur muslims, including China themselves. Completely hypocritical for China's 2ic of the foreign ministry to post something as abhorrent as that yet completely ignore the detention centres holding thousands of Uyghurs against their will.

The whole world knows this and they cannot possibly escape the hypocrite label.

 

[Asapartyhat]

So what was the response you were expecting? Going by your post, and you're right, he's damned if he does damned if he doesn't.

Rather he put up a stance than run with his tail between his legs.

Even if the photo is doctored there is no doubt there is a lot of truth regards the sas in Afganistan.
I found Morrison's response cringe worthy.Sometimes you just have to cop it put your hands up and say your country men have done wrong you don't condone it, it is a matter before the courts etc etc .So many ways Morrison's could have reacted and he went the petulant defensive child.His response was a bit trumpesk imo.And we are better than that.

 

[Rotayjay]

Those incidents in Afghanistan were a disgrace, but the diggers responsible are now going to be criminally prosecuted. We are owning up to those crimes, while the CCP perpetuates crimes every day on a massive scale and covers them up, attempting to silence any individual or country that speaks up. We have news for you Xi: in the rest of the world, we have free speech and you cannot take that away from us.

Remember this: China needs the rest of the world much more than the rest of the world needs China. The international community needs to stand up and send a message that their economic importance does not give them a free pass to do as they please.

 

[LeverPuller]

Here’s the thing everyone seems to have only just woken up to: it’s not necessarily Morrison’s fault. Most of the policies dubbed as anti Chinese are policies we have taken to actively protect the fundamental parts of Australia- protecting things like foreign spying and foreign interference.

The fact that Beijing is taking outrage at them says more about them than us.

The catch is that there’s no way to walk it back. If we move back not only is it political suicide for ScoMo but it’s also a genuine risk to our national security.

In short the question has now become: is our trade with Beijing worth the national security risk they present?

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Here’s the thing everyone seems to have only just woken up to: it’s not necessarily Morrison’s fault. Most of the policies dubbed as anti Chinese are policies we have taken to actively protect the fundamental parts of Australia- protecting things like foreign spying and foreign interference.

The fact that Beijing is taking outrage at them says more about them than us.

The catch is that there’s no way to walk it back. If we move back not only is it political suicide for ScoMo but it’s also a genuine risk to our national security.

In short the question has now become: is our trade with Beijing worth the national security risk they present?

the worry is also what happens on the home front. During the early months of COVID, it was common for chinese people to be abused and spat at in some australian cities. Places like Monash have 25% chinese ancestory, and its a lot of visible targets if we are ramping up the "china is evil" rhetoric

 

[Baltimore Jack]

Thank Christ the Chinese didn't tweet an image of two little Australian children marooned on Christmas Island.

 

[ExcitementMachine]

the worry is also what happens on the home front. During the early months of COVID, it was common for chinese people to be abused and spat at in some australian cities. Places like Monash have 25% chinese ancestory, and its a lot of visible targets if we are ramping up the "china is evil" rhetoric

How do you define 'common' because if it wasnt in all australian cities it pobably indicates that it was a rare bird.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

How do you define 'common' because if it wasnt in all australian cities it pobably indicates that it was a rare bird.

Most of my wife's friends copped it (usually on PT or shopping centres). My wife actually got it in her work.

None of them complained to cops or security as they figure nothing can be done. They just share it on WeChat.

I still remember we banned my MIL from going out alone back then because of this shit.

 

[ExcitementMachine]

Most of my wife's friends copped it (usually on PT or shopping centres). My wife actually got it in her work.

None of them complained to cops or security as they figure nothing can be done. They just share it on WeChat.

I still remember we banned my MIL from going out alone back then because of this sh*t.

I work in pt and in the public and never saw anything like it.

Thats my bit of anecdotism.

Actually I did see it one fleeting incident.

You are right that 'china is evil is problematic. However they are doing a really good job ccp of of actually making it a reality and difficult to defend.

I hope that your friends have a perspective of what life is like for minorities with rights here, and the unimaginable realities for diverse people in China. Yes i know your wife is a minority in china.

Going off anecdotal, its common for chinese people to have prrtty extreme views.

The incidents circulating on whatsapp is exactly what Xi want to see, and certainly wants social disharmony in australia.

 

[kranky al]

Even if the photo is doctored there is no doubt there is a lot of truth regards the sas in Afganistan.
I found Morrison's response cringe worthy.Sometimes you just have to cop it put your hands up and say your country men have done wrong you don't condone it, it is a matter before the courts etc etc .So many ways Morrison's could have reacted and he went the petulant defensive child.His response was a bit trumpesk imo.And we are better than that.

a simple “australia is well aware of its obligations under international law - whilst this doctored photo is inflammatory, inaccurate and abhorrent - it still remains that we are committed to investigating these incidents and if needed, bringing perpetrators to justice.

we invite all countries to accept and bear responsibilities for their mistakes.”

*mic drop

 

[Ned_Flanders]

I work in pt and in the public and never saw anything like it.

Thats my bit of anecdotism.

Actually I did see it one fleeting incident.

You are right that 'china is evil is problematic. However they are doing a really good job ccp of of actually making it a reality and difficult to defend.

I hope that your friends have a perspective of what life is like for minorities with rights here, and the unimaginable realities for diverse people in China. Yes i know your wife is a minority in china.

Going off anecdotal, its common for chinese people to have prrtty extreme views.

The incidents circulating on whatsapp is exactly what Xi want to see, and certainly wants social disharmony in australia.

firstly, most chinese peeps dont use whatsapp, they use wechat (it offers a lot more functionality back in china that the apps we use)

my friends are copping it, and as i said have made no complaints to cops because they figure they will get the brush off like you just did

as for my wife, ive told her we are moving to NZ or Singapore if she cops any more grief

if you think im leaving my family, my job, and my friends for nothing you are kidding yourself.

 

[Seeds]

Scomo lashing out at that tweet was such a foolish thing to do. Not quite as foolish as the solo call for an independent COVID investigation 5 months into the pandemic (we will look back on this as the biggest foreign policy misstep of the decade), but it was still too emotional and dumb.

The Chinese know he can be provoked, we as Australians know he can be provoked and can be a feeble leader in a crisis. It is embarrassing. Labor of course didn't say a world against him because they are spineless and were too scared of the optics of not supporting the ADF.

Scomo being deeply offended was poor behaviour on his behalf as our soldiers did that and we have to accept it. However, we should call out China's hypocrisy which ironically scomo has not done. He should.


And it was not foolish to call for an independent enquiry. All countries should of done it and it should of happened within the two months of the pandemic as it could of helped prevent it's spread and was the best time to put pressure on China when it was humiliated. And given a number of viruses have come from China in the past 2 decades it's no longer acceptable to let China do its reviews on its own viruses as it's shown it is incapable of doing so with global consequences. It's UN membership should of been threatened to be revoked if it did not comply. Xi probably would be gone if more countries followed Morrison.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Scomo being deeply offended was poor behaviour on his behalf as our soldiers did that and we have to accept it. However, we should call out China's hypocrisy which ironically scomo has not done. He should.


And it was not foolish to call for an independent enquiry. All countries should of done it and it should of happened within the two months of the pandemic as it could of helped prevent it's spread and was the best time to put pressure on China when it was humiliated. And given a number of viruses have come from China in the past 2 decades it's no longer acceptable to let China do its reviews on its own viruses as it's shown it is incapable of doing so with global consequences. It's UN membership should of been threatened to be revoked if it did not comply. Xi probably would be gone if more countries followed Morrison.

noone has an issue into an inquiry, thats why one is happening.

our initial draft specifically targeted china (not the virus) and wanted investigators to have powers akin to nuke inspectors

that was never going to happen, and not just because "china". Do you think the UK would allow UN inspectors into the UK with these powers to investigate a BSE outbreak? Or the USA to investigate a reboot of Swine Flu? It would have set a precedent that the govts of the world would not want to be set. Nukes is one thing, its hard to defend defending that. But nuke inspector powers on a health issue mean people getting unrestricted access to health data, commercial data, medical records of citizens and on and on. how would you feel if russian inspectors had access to the Australian medicare database?

 

[LeverPuller]

the worry is also what happens on the home front. During the early months of COVID, it was common for chinese people to be abused and spat at in some australian cities. Places like Monash have 25% chinese ancestory, and its a lot of visible targets if we are ramping up the "china is evil" rhetoric

Oh agree - we have to make it clear that it’s Beijing, not Chinese people, repeatedly and often.

 

[utility]

In short the question has now become: is our trade with Beijing worth the national security risk they present?

It's pretty clear that the CCP is engaging in modern warfare against Australia and will continue to do so if it does not act like an obedient vassal state.

- Propaganda (and buying off politicians)
- Cyber-warfare
- Blockade of trade
- Advisory against travel to Australia (and related capital flight)
- Coercion of Chinese people in Australia

The CCP does not respect international laws or norms. It does what it wants.

Australia clearly needs to strategically realign its exports to other destinations. The CCP will use trade embargo as an act of war. Planning should be based on no exports/imports between Australia and China.

The Aussie government also needs to pick its battles. It shouldn't be poking its nose into Hong Kong - it's domestic and at most an issue for the UK.

 

[chunkylover53]

You know none of this would be an issue if Twitter got deleted.

How long until a country bombs another due to a Tweet?

**** it off. Provides nothing to modern society.

 

[Carringbush2010]

Even if the photo is doctored there is no doubt there is a lot of truth regards the sas in Afganistan.
I found Morrison's response cringe worthy.Sometimes you just have to cop it put your hands up and say your country men have done wrong you don't condone it, it is a matter before the courts etc etc .So many ways Morrison's could have reacted and he went the petulant defensive child.His response was a bit trumpesk imo.And we are better than that.

You make it sound like the whole sas is a problem when it's a few.

You reckon Morrison's response was 'cringe worthy' yet the out of the blue doctored post from Zhao Lijian bares zero comment from you.

What did you expect from Scomo? A no response? Then you'd be calling him a wimp right?

You want him to call out the abhorrent behaviour of a few sas? Well he's already done that, what else do you want?

All of this has come from an innocent request into the coronavirus, all for the intents and purposes of ensuring something like this doesn't happen again.

There is no room for the Chinese to move on this, out of the blue they're advising the Australians to do some 'soul searching' come up with this derogatory post, place questionable trade bans. For what reason? Coz our pm asked for an investigation into a virus? Why'd they get their back up about that? Something to hide?

And what was the term you used 'petulant defensive child'? Yeah that pretty much explains the Chinese behaviour since doesn't it, but no you want Scomo to either throw his own defence force under a bus and grovel or shut up and say nothing.