Next captain options?

[iameviljez]

I always wanted Boak
If you don’t know why I don’t like Dangerfield just wait till he’s commentating games. You’ll see for yourself

You think he's a bit of a moron?

 

[CatsDoItBetter]

I always wanted Boak
If you don’t know why I don’t like Dangerfield just wait till he’s commentating games. You’ll see for yourself

He speaks with an understanding of the game that is much deeper than anyone on our list. He’s a really clear communicator and the media work that he does is really important for the club.
Selwood is a great leader but he barely does any media and I’m sure he’s grateful for the leadership role Danger plays in doing that role for him and the club.

 

[SuperVolley11]

Zach “the goat” Guthrie.

Joel will go on next year. Meaning a majority of those listed are only a 1-3 year option. Give it to the bloke who is going to lead us to the clubs first 3-peat.

 

[iameviljez]

Joel will go on next year. Meaning a majority of those listed are only a 1-3 year option. Give it to the bloke who is going to lead us to the clubs first 3-peat.

I don't think Joel would have even suited up for 2021 if we'd won it in 2020.

His leadership is great, but even compared to last year there is a decline in on-field performance (as you'd expect). I don't see him going into 2023 even if we don't take home the big prize.

That also explains why we're going hard at Hopper, too.

 

[Sky]

You think he's a bit of a moron?

A bit pompous

 

[standupand]

Hawkins will, I think, go on next year no issues - but Selwood is probably done, even if we don't win one.

Hawkins hits me as the sort of guy who's a leader, but not a captain, if that makes sense. He doesn't have Selwood's assertiveness or sense of mongrel, but you'd really look up to him if you were a young forward.

I just think Hawkins epitomises teamwork. He knows how to bring the team together and he's so respected. This year we've seen him deliver serious messages of accountability to teammates on field as well - the one highlighted some weeks ago was none other than Stewart I believe. He's no longer just the lovable big-guy who occasionally gets reported.

Age certainly isn't a negative when it comes to leadership. Whether he would want the job for the last few years of his career is another matter I guess.

 

[iameviljez]

A bit pompous

Doesn't bother me in the slightest. Buckley showed he was plenty capable as a captain and a coach, and had a fair degree of FIGJAM on top of the pomposity.

 

[Sky]

Doesn't bother me in the slightest. Buckley showed he was plenty capable as a captain and a coach, and had a fair degree of FIGJAM on top of the pomposity.

Now Buckley is in the media I don’t mind him but as a coach I couldn’t stand him. As a kid I caught the end of his career, awesome player though

 

[iameviljez]

Now Buckley is in the media I don’t mind him but as a coach I couldn’t stand him. As a kid I caught the end of his career, awesome player though

He did manage to drag a pretty ordinary list of players within two minutes of a flag in 2018.

 

[iameviljez]

You’ll find many Geelong supporters who’d argue Chris Scott took a pretty ordinary list to a half time lead in the 2020 grand final.

.. however this year is so far beautiful

I'm one of them. I think there were a few holes in that list but the whole thing was purring very nicely.

 

[Spearman]

Even if it's just 2 years. We can go from there

My thinking as well, kind of a link captain to the next more long term one.

 

[Scottland2007]

Hawkins with Atkins and Stewart as vice captain

 

[PhatBoy]

I always wanted Boak
If you don’t know why I don’t like Dangerfield just wait till he’s commentating games. You’ll see for yourself

I think you’re judging him way too harshly.

Half the stuff he says that he gets pinged for is actually him taking the piss out of himself and the fact that one of his own teammates dressed up in a suit and took a surfboard to mad Monday pretty much tells you all you need to know.

On game day on Saturday his first answer to a question about Collingwood was that they are all duck no dinner…. Before smiling and laughing about it.

He has never ever been involved in any scandal.
Same can’t be said for a few of his teammates that we still laud and respect (and rightly so)
He has never been a dirty player
He gives his absolute most in every game
He has a personality - Hawk is close to my favourite player of all time and the loveliest bloke imaginable but he’s very vanilla. There’s nothing wrong with some personality
He has a sense of humour
He has self awareness - he knew people took the Piss out of his alleged penchant for faking injury. So why not acknowledge it by wearing bandages to a press conference?

Not every fan is gonna like every player I get that and I accept it but if the worst thing going for someone is a bit of ego they’re probably not a bad bloke

 

[Sky]

I think you’re judging him way too harshly.

Half the stuff he says that he gets pinged for is actually him taking the piss out of himself and the fact that one of his own teammates dressed up in a suit and took a surfboard to mad Monday pretty much tells you all you need to know.

On game day on Saturday his first answer to a question about Collingwood was that they are all duck no dinner…. Before smiling and laughing about it.

He has never ever been involved in any scandal.
Same can’t be said for a few of his teammates that we still laud and respect (and rightly so)
He has never been a dirty player
He gives his absolute most in every game
He has a personality - Hawk is close to my favourite player of all time and the loveliest bloke imaginable but he’s very vanilla. There’s nothing wrong with some personality
He has a sense of humour
He has self awareness - he knew people took the Piss out of his alleged penchant for faking injury. So why not acknowledge it by wearing bandages to a press conference?

Not every fan is gonna like every player I get that and I accept it but if the worst thing going for someone is a bit of ego they’re probably not a bad bloke

Didn’t he save someone’s life? I never said he was a bad bloke. I didn’t even bring up the surfing thing either.

I would just be embarrassed to have him captain the side I support after having the greatest captain in league history. Nothing embarrassing about Dangerfield’s personal accolades though.

 

[PhatBoy]

I would pick Jeremy Cameron

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Jeremy Cameron

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32

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196cm

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3star

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9.0

3star

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3.4

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5.4

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2.6

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10.0

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4.6

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2.0

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2.4

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2.0

5star

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Not because he’s our best player but I simply love his ‘give it to me and I’ll get it done’ attitude it’s a leader showing the way.

 

[PhatBoy]

Didn’t he save someone’s life? I never said he was a bad bloke. I didn’t even bring up the surfing thing either.

I would just be embarrassed to have him captain the side I support after having the greatest captain in league history. Nothing embarrassing about Dangerfield’s personal accolades though.

No I get that I know you weren’t saying he was a shithead or anything like that I just get the distinct impression that his blurred lines between self deprecation and cringe sometimes rub people up the wrong way when often he’s just taking the piss

 

[catstragic]

FWIW I don't think Stewart is ideal, Just seems to get a bit too emotional sometimes. Personally i'd be looking at SDK and Zuth, Mebbe give Hawk the Captaincy while he keeps playing (he's probably the real no2 on field leader right now, has grown a lot from the sookster he was years ago) then reasses in a year or two when he hangs up the boots.

Bews another who would be a contender IMO. (unlikely, but he's got the right stuff to be a decent captain IMO)

 

[Warhorse]

Atkins is to fringe to be captain. I would go with Stewart. Don't have to many choices imo

 

[Baudolino]

I think you’re judging him way too harshly.

Half the stuff he says that he gets pinged for is actually him taking the piss out of himself and the fact that one of his own teammates dressed up in a suit and took a surfboard to mad Monday pretty much tells you all you need to know.

On game day on Saturday his first answer to a question about Collingwood was that they are all duck no dinner…. Before smiling and laughing about it.

He has never ever been involved in any scandal.
Same can’t be said for a few of his teammates that we still laud and respect (and rightly so)
He has never been a dirty player
He gives his absolute most in every game
He has a personality - Hawk is close to my favourite player of all time and the loveliest bloke imaginable but he’s very vanilla. There’s nothing wrong with some personality
He has a sense of humour
He has self awareness - he knew people took the Piss out of his alleged penchant for faking injury. So why not acknowledge it by wearing bandages to a press conference?

Not every fan is gonna like every player I get that and I accept it but if the worst thing going for someone is a bit of ego they’re probably not a bad bloke

The bolded is literally the exact reason he's disliked though. People just don't like players having confidence, charisma or a bit of off-field personality, especially if the player is also an extremely good footballer. It's pathetic, and it's an indictment of the average supporter, but it's true. Any time you hear a supporter spout the cliched line of "the players these days are like robots, it's so boring, I wish the players showed more personality" it is almost always a complete lie. Because despite what they say, people don't actually want that. They tear the unorthodox personalities down whenever they rise up by contriving self-justifying reasons to dislike any "different" personality.

In a way, "I wish the players showed more personality" is sort of the AFL discourse equivalent of "I wish politicians would talk more about policy, that's what I really care about as a voter", in that it's completely untrue BS that a majority of the general public gaslights themselves into thinking about themselves because it makes them feel good. Lol.

 

[PhatBoy]

The bolded is literally the exact reason he's disliked though. People just don't like players having confidence, charisma or a bit of off-field personality, especially if the player is a extremely good. It's pathetic, and it's an indictment of the average supporter, but it's true. Any time you hear a supporter spout the cliched line of "the players these days are like robots, it's so boring, I wish the players showed more personality" it is almost always a complete lie. Because despite what they say, people don't actually want that. They tear the unorthodox personalities down whenever they rise up by contriving self-justifying reasons to dislike any "different" personality.

In a way, "I wish the players showed more personality" is sort of the AFL discourse equivalent of "I wish politicians would talk more about policy, that's what I really care about as a voter", in that it's completely untrue BS that a majority of the general public gaslights themselves into thinking about themselves because it makes them feel good. Lol.

Agreed. And he’s not about to split the atom or something but he’s a good deal more intelligent than most players too and can actually string two words together. I found it really odd at the awards night that they made him stick so rigidly to an obviously written script because he actually speaks quite naturally

But yes I liked Barry Hall, I liked Aker, I liked Billy, I liked smiling assassin era Brad Johnson, Steve Johnson etc because they would offer something that wasn’t just the usual. I don’t know if it’s linked to having actual personality but even Charlie Cameron on Thursday - he was literally standing there on his own after a goal singing ‘Country Roads’ to himself. I like it when players can be different.


What really pissed me off actually was when the Bob Murphy hate started.
His one on one interview show was lamentable but he was articulate, intelligent, and his rascal of the week bit on 360 actually showed how funny he was because he wouldn’t just highlight some deadshit throwing a ball at an opponent’s head or something it was subtle things like SJ walking into an opposition huddle for a listen.

Then for some reason everyone made out like he’d started the holocaust because he dared to go on stage with a club he’d bled for during their finest moment.

The drag down factor among afl fans is horrific

 

[cats_09]

The bolded is literally the exact reason he's disliked though. People just don't like players having confidence, charisma or a bit of off-field personality, especially if the player is also an extremely good footballer. It's pathetic, and it's an indictment of the average supporter, but it's true. Any time you hear a supporter spout the cliched line of "the players these days are like robots, it's so boring, I wish the players showed more personality" it is almost always a complete lie. Because despite what they say, people don't actually want that. They tear the unorthodox personalities down whenever they rise up by contriving self-justifying reasons to dislike any "different" personality.

In a way, "I wish the players showed more personality" is sort of the AFL discourse equivalent of "I wish politicians would talk more about policy, that's what I really care about as a voter", in that it's completely untrue BS that a majority of the general public gaslights themselves into thinking about themselves because it makes them feel good. Lol.

Just think of how much shit people gave Dangerfield after this press conference - if followed our second match against Hawthorn in 2017 when Danger went off with a foot injury before returning to play forward & be the match winner with 5 goals

After the match Kane Cornes had a snipe at Danger about exaggerating injuries, so this was his response - a bit of fun where he had a laugh at himself & the situation, but it seriously offended some folk for some reason, something about apparently making it all about himself...

The guy clearly likes to have some fun, just as long as he keeps focused with the task on field then let him have some fun off field with things like this

 

[Spearman]

I think you’re judging him way too harshly.

Half the stuff he says that he gets pinged for is actually him taking the piss out of himself and the fact that one of his own teammates dressed up in a suit and took a surfboard to mad Monday pretty much tells you all you need to know.

On game day on Saturday his first answer to a question about Collingwood was that they are all duck no dinner…. Before smiling and laughing about it.

He has never ever been involved in any scandal.
Same can’t be said for a few of his teammates that we still laud and respect (and rightly so)
He has never been a dirty player
He gives his absolute most in every game
He has a personality - Hawk is close to my favourite player of all time and the loveliest bloke imaginable but he’s very vanilla. There’s nothing wrong with some personality
He has a sense of humour
He has self awareness - he knew people took the Piss out of his alleged penchant for faking injury. So why not acknowledge it by wearing bandages to a press conference?

Not every fan is gonna like every player I get that and I accept it but if the worst thing going for someone is a bit of ego they’re probably not a bad bloke

God please don't let him end up on Bounce.

Other than that agreed.

 

[Gunf]

Next year Stewart long term Holmes

 

[noclashjumpers]

I get that he’s the less obvious choice, but Tom Atkins

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Tom Atkins

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30

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180cm

Wt

86kg

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Mid

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Last 5

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11.5

3star

K

5.0

2star

HB

6.5

4star

M

1.4

2star

T

4.3

5star

CL

1.3

3star

D

6.5

1star

K

3.0

1star

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3.5

2star

M

0.8

1star

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1.5

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CL

0.5

3star

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11.6

3star

K

5.0

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6.6

4star

M

2.0

3star

T

4.8

5star

CL

1.2

4star

for me. Obviously he's all about effort and integrity, but these are the cornerstones of any great captaincy, particularly one that drives/maintains an existing sound culture.

In the few interviews he’s done, he’s clearly quite smart and articulate. He does seem a little introverted, which may count against him, but I have no doubt that he’d absorb the gravity of the role and grow into it. If memory serves, he also captained the VFL side which, although quite different, means he’s no stranger to the responsibility of leading a side.

And at 26, he’s the perfect age to give us at least 4-6 years of stability. This, in my estimation, is an undervalued criteria. I have certainly nothing against Stewart, but at 29, while in his playing prime, we’ll be thinking of a captain beyond him sooner rather than later. And if that precipitates a possible captain merry-go-round, that’s not particularly desirable.

 

[JohnZ]

Atkins is too* fringe to be captain. I would go with Stewart. Don't have to many choices imo

The only person who thinks that Atkins it "too* fringe" is you. He's a lock now.