Next Coach?

[Saintly Viewed]

If you decide to sack a coach after 5 years of disintegrating performances I don't see how that is knee jerk.

If you do it after round 1 that would be knee jerk. It'll be interesting to see what comes at seasons end.

Yes agree, if five years of bad results occur then clubs can make the call on the coach.
But (always buts)
If the club realises we need to rebuild then sometimes the results one way or another mask the reality.
I actually feel we are trending ok, we are building like what Geelong started to do only now.
Should Geelong sack Chris Scott because he inherited a good list (better than ours Scarlett, Johnson, Kelly, Bartel etc but not Ablett) and done average results. I don't think so.
Should MeLBourne sack Paul Roos? Assuming he wanted to continue and not hand over the team?
What about North and Brad Scott, why not sack him too.
Lyon and Freo?
So many to kill off so many messiahs

All coming to a Club near you

 

[NOCLUE]

I know i shouldn't cos this is a Joke (of a) thread but news in from footywire!

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/afl_coaches?status=&type=R&sort=p

This would seem to indicate that at this stage that spud buckley (on 57.3%) sits just behind Leigh Matthew(57.5) and just ahead of Kevin Sheedy(57.2) and the great Micky M(57). I assume this means he sits amongst a plethora of spud coaches who know less than the collective wisdom of BF. I would still like to see improvement on his percentage - but given that I have never run a full time professional AFL club (nor am i involved in running Collingwood) I am unsure as to what would be (or has been) put in place in the club to achieve said goal.

On that note Floreat Pica and side by side (except when we disagree about who the spuds are).

And yet of the current coaches he sits 15th of 18.

 

[Maggie5]

And yet of the current coaches he sits 15th of 18.

Don't you love stats as an opposition supporter?
Where does Carlton sit in games won over the past couple of years?

 

[4#Didak#4]

And yet of the current coaches he sits 15th of 18.

That would be right except that it is wrong.

Of the current coaches he is 9th but heads guys like Roos, Worsfold, Eade, B. Scott and of course Hardwick. The top of the list is Brendan Bolton, which says a lot about the list really. Just in case you don't know he is 0% so far at Carlton.

Ross Lyon has an extroadinary win % record but at the end of the day he has zero flags which makes Roos & Worsfold laugh at him a lot.

 

[NOCLUE]

That would be right except that it is wrong.

Of the current coaches he is 9th but heads guys like Roos, Worsfold, Eade, B. Scott and of course Hardwick. The top of the list is Brendan Bolton, which says a lot about the list really. Just in case you don't know he is 0% so far at Carlton.

Ross Lyon has an extroadinary win % record but at the end of the day he has zero flags which makes Roos & Worsfold laugh at him a lot.

My bad forgot to reset for % I'm pretty confident Boltons % is on it's way down this year.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

My bad forgot to reset for % I'm pretty confident Boltons % is on it's way down this year.

You have a great name

 

[NOCLUE]

Thanks much appreciated

 

[The Royal Sampler]

There should be a coach lottery. Every year, 17 AFL coaches are failures. The losing teams should be made to play off for the right to pick their coach from the 17 for the following season.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

There should be a coach lottery. Every year, 17 AFL coaches are failures. The losing teams should be made to play off for the right to pick their coach from the 17 for the following season.

Fantastic.
And you know Ross Lyon will go deep into the competition, but alas, still progress to next years contest of losers.

 

[Scodog10]

You'll have to forgive we Gen Xs as we didn't have parents with credit cards. We cope with delayed gratification.

I think the difference is you're hoping for delayed gratification and others are looking for an indicator of it...

It's the age old battle between hope and tangible results! Some cling to the hope of a brighter future and others want to see signs of it. Ultimately it's human nature not generational attitudes.

 

[jmac70]

I think the difference is you're hoping for delayed gratification and others are looking for an indicator of it...

It's the age old battle between hope and tangible results! Some cling to the hope of a brighter future and others want to see signs of it. Ultimately it's human nature not generational attitudes.

It's round 2 though mate. The reaction this week has been embarrassing.

 

[Scodog10]

It's round 2 though mate. The reaction this week has been embarrassing.

Yes the reaction was knee jerk, but not embarrassing the only embarrassment was the "effort" the club put forward v Sydney and we've been discussing Buckley's future for 3 years now so this is just the next evolution of the discussion, IMO.

At the end of the day I'm not a big fan of the assertiveness of the "I'm positive so I'm correct" POV and for mine it comes out about even with the "I'm emotionally invested so let me vent" POV. On one hand it is actually OK to hit the club between the eyes once in a while and call things for what they were (putrid in this case) no one will judge it harshly and on the flipside don't let your emotions get the best of you. I'm not denying either view it's more that neither really adds a whole heap of value to the discussion, IMO.

Getting back to the topic at hand the rational view is that Buckley, barring a major downturn, see's the year out. That being said if things continue as per last week for an extended period and a change is deemed necessary I don't want us to go for a favourite son (Burns) or a name coach (Thompson) I want us to choose the best fit for this group!

The man I'd have at the top of my list is Stewart Dew. Success follows him, he's been mentored by some of the best (Williams, Clarkson, Roos and Longmire) and he would be coming from a very system based regime (ala Beveridge, Bolton and Simpson) which from the outside appears to be a weakness of ours.

 

[jmac70]

Yes the reaction was knee jerk, but not embarrassing the only embarrassment was the "effort" the club put forward v Sydney and we've been discussing Buckley's future for 3 years now so this is just the next evolution of the discussion, IMO.

At the end of the day I'm not a big fan of the assertiveness of the "I'm positive so I'm correct" POV and for mine it comes out about even with the "I'm emotionally invested so let me vent" POV. On one hand it is actually OK to hit the club between the eyes once in a while and call things for what they were (putrid in this case) no one will judge it harshly and on the flipside don't let your emotions get the best of you. I'm not denying either view it's more that neither really adds a whole heap of value to the discussion, IMO.

Getting back to the topic at hand the rational view is that Buckley, barring a major downturn, see's the year out. That being said if things continue as per last week for an extended period and a change is deemed necessary I don't want us to go for a favourite son (Burns) or a name coach (Thompson) I want us to choose the best fit for this group!

The man I'd have at the top of my list is Stewart Dew. Success follows him, he's been mentored by some of the best (Williams, Clarkson, Roos and Longmire) and he would be coming from a very system based regime (ala Beveridge, Bolton and Simpson) which from the outside appears to be a weakness of ours.

I would be lying if I said that I am not concerned. Such a "putrid" performance really takes the wind out of the sails, which is why Friday night is so important. I still believe that we will improve this year and that we will be ready to contend in 2017.

If we go backwards this year then a change may be considered by the club. I agree that a coach from outside the club would be preferable.

 

[jmac70]

My bad forgot to reset for % I'm pretty confident Boltons % is on it's way down this year.

Get out.

 

[PhiloBeddoe]

I think the difference is you're hoping for delayed gratification and others are looking for an indicator of it...

It's the age old battle between hope and tangible results! Some cling to the hope of a brighter future and others want to see signs of it. Ultimately it's human nature not generational attitudes.

Taken in context of being a long time supporter and having seen 77, 79, 80, 81 before experiencing the gratification of 90, I spent my teenage years hoping rather than looking for indicators. In the years between 03 and 010, I was looking for indicators and still do.
Like others, I watch games closely and have seen what Buckley has tried to implement in certain areas. I too have been frustrated by poor execution. In a past post, I outlined a conversation I had with a VFL coach and will repost when I get a chance. He validated a number of my thoughts re Buckleys ways. Cold comfort when the results don't match the expectation but he did say something about patience.
Also spoke to him about the Sydney debacle and he pretty much agreed with my unrealistic assessment of our numbers vs Sydney numbers around the pill. Somewhat suited my narrative, if you get my drift?
As I've said before, if there is little indication of improved performance this year and most other variables are under some control, Bucks should probably fall on his sword.
I agree with another poster, the reaction of some after last week was embarrassing. I have no issue with whacking a club between the eyes after a loss like that as long as it's a measured whack. I didn't see many.

 

[Markfs]

we just need to get someone who will win a premiership..... i just dont see the point in getting any other coach

 

[Duritz]

Have you sacked him yet?

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Have you sacked him yet?

We don't have Leppo

 

[The Plowking]

Have you sacked him yet?

Cool Post

 

[Knightmare]

Clarkson, Beveridge, Simpson, Lyon and Longmire are coaches I'd love to have at the moment based on what they're doing/have done recently with their teams.

Hardwick I also like and feel doesn't gets enough credit with Richmond, just taking that team with such little talent into the finals is really something.

It's one thing to say move Buckley on, if you do, you better be sure you've got someone better lined up to take over from him.

 

[left at home]

we just need to get someone who will win a premiership..... i just dont see the point in getting any other coach

and who is that? l have seen some very good coaches coach us since the sixties yet only seen two wins. they so hard to get, that you just don't know
which coach and team can do it

 

[danielnajdek]

Have you sacked him yet?

How's Leppo going?

 

[Maggie5]

Have you sacked him yet?

Have you won a game yet?

 

[76woodenspooners]

Don't you love stats as an opposition supporter?
Where does Carlton sit in games won over the past couple of fifteen years?

Fixed

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Vince Lombardi?
(Besides different sport oh and he's dead)