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[Hazelsnuts]

Nah its peddled shit about the lack of youth getting a game and playing the old blokes.

To be fair, the frustration is from his track record of continually playing a protected few whilst a young fella comes in and doesn’t have time to acclimatise.
Old Ross, new Ross or Ross because he now has to?
Last year and this year games are getting pumped into the newbies - as it should be the case.
My frustration is the last injuries to the key 1st and second year players that could be playing.... and that’s the point I guess, would Johnno be playing if Logue was up and going?
I know what you’re saying but Ross has been reticent in the past to change in personnel and game style.
I reckon the scepticism is valid.

 

[beetz]

How about Schofield from Subi?....a lot of talk Subi are the most professionally run semi pro club outside the AFL.....

I’d rather Subi’s accountant who is in control of player wages.

 

[ydraw]

To be fair, the frustration is from his track record of continually playing a protected few whilst a young fella comes in and doesn’t have time to acclimatise.
Old Ross, new Ross or Ross because he now has to?
Last year and this year games are getting pumped into the newbies - as it should be the case.
My frustration is the last injuries to the key 1st and second year players that could be playing.... and that’s the point I guess, would Johnno be playing if Logue was up and going?
I know what you’re saying but Ross has been reticent in the past to change in personnel and game style.
I reckon the scepticism is valid.

Exhibit A

Ballantyne has played every game this year. He wouldn't get a game for any other team in the AFL. Meanwhile Ethan Hughes got dropped after 1 game.

 

[Del183359]

Exhibit A

Ballantyne has played every game this year. He wouldn't get a game for any other team in the AFL. Meanwhile Ethan Hughes got dropped after 1 game.

How can you drop someone who has been signed up for special insights into the playing group on Channel 9 news every Tuesday..come on lift your game.. how would that look.

 

[Square Peg]

If you are taking it on him saying (paraphrasing) "it would be a failure if we didn't win a flag by 2020" - then 100% yes.

Do I think he believed we would win the flag in 2020? - no. Unless of course he knows of some massive trades/FA we are going to do in 2018/19.

I personally believed he knew we were unlikely to win one that quick after a full rebuild but is prepared to cop that flak in 2020 because
a) It shows he is committed enough to make a bold claim and also takes a lot of heat off the players in that period (works too, he cops ALL of the heat)
b) If we are close (say win a final/get to a prelim) in 2020 that would be enough to keep him on

I fully expect him to fall on his sword if we don't make serious inroads in 2020 but I don't expect a flag.

Fair enough, I don't think we'll win one by 2020 either. We just differ on what the consequences are of the inevitable failure. I don't think just making finals by 2020 will save him.

 

[G Mus]

For starters, Pearce over Giro last week was un-for-give-able.

Achieved less than nothing.

Took me 0.2 seconds to come up with as well.

That was a S+C decision

Giro avoided injury whereas he might have blown up at AFL level

 

[imperial_oz]

Isn't he contracted for next year? I must admit he looks a bit tired and stressed so maybe he feels it's time to do something new? Since moving from Perth I've lost contact to some degree so have to get info on the Perth teams from wherever I can.

Yes he is but I for one won't be surprised if he doesn't see out the contract.

If he can land a media gig its a heck of a lot less strain than a coaching gig

 

[Yeti]

I can't believe I'm saying this but Melbourne actually embraced doing a rebuild properly and they have a young exciting team. Hell, you just need to look at the 76ers in the NBA to see that 'the process' can work. What is Ross' process?

I am calling this out for the bullshit it is. Melbourne embracing the rebuild properly? SO we are doing it wrong because we are keeping some senior players around after bringing in 22 (?) players over the last 2 years?

Melbourne are doing well at the moment, following not playing finals since 2006. They have had disasters like losing games by 186, multiple sackings of coaches, coach transition plans, tanking for picks, wasting top draft picks due to poor development, the recruitment of Mitch Clark..... the list goes on.

Let's not forget what happened when they appointed their new coach to take them back to the finals in 2011:
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-06-17/mark-neelds-melbourne-timeline
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/neeld-just-one-part-of-the-problem-20130617-2odd2.html

You say Ross doesn't have a process. We are playing 12 players of U50 games a week at the moment, are we supposed go get rid of everyone over 28 to get games into more young players? You don't just throw young players to the wolves, they need guys around them to give guidance and support and to take the hits. You never go full Melbourne.

Do you remember Melbourne bringing in world beaters Bernie Vince and Daniel Cross to teach Melbourne how to play on game day?
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/pa...d/news-story/56d0b82128b8879aabdc82edbe622e72

“I think getting Bernie Vince and Daniel Cross — two experiences players — don’t underestimate their importance,” Roos said on Fox Footy’s On The Couch.

“Bernie is still playing, but I wouldn’t underestimate the value of Daniel Cross.

“The reason I say that is because one of the things they really struggled with was game day, just knowing how hard to work on game day. And that was the biggest thing. The two-way transition running was difficult for them.

“So having ‘Crossy’ and having his GPS numbers and seeing his vision, the way he would play, and we’d still put him on some of the best midfielders in the competition, and his GPS (numbers) were through the roof.

“So his ability to explain to players his vision … was just imperative.”

What did they do when they started rebuilding

The club has backed Ross Lyon in until 2020. If by halfway through that year we are seeing zero improvement he will be punted but he has earned the respect of the club to be given the opportunity to rebuild the list. Or we could punt him and go and get the next Mark Harvey, Mark Neeld or maybe we will get the next Hardwick who will take 9 years to get us a flag. There is no guarantees with a new coach nor with holding onto Lyon but he has shown he is good enough to get teams to Grand Finals and the club has backed him in to do it again.

To point to Melbourne as a team that "actually embraced doing a rebuild properly" is revisionist history at it's best. They failed at multiple rebuilds and had to bring in an experienced defensive minded coach to get them to stop going backward before they could move forwards.

I have no issue with people calling for Lyon to be sacked. I think it is wrong and will set the club backwards unless there is a better option available. The club has fully committed to the rebuild and developing a list that will challenge for a flag. Hopefully the new crew of Logue, Cerra, Brayshaw etc will be able to deliver it.

I know I will be along for the ride and will enjoy it for as long as we there is vision of where we are going and signs that we are heading there.

 

[Freezin]

I’d rather Subi’s accountant who is in control of player wages.

One would like to think Freo's bank balance is a tad more than Subi's.....

though in all honesty previous Subi coaches like Watters, German et al have struggled as a coach at the elite level.....Schofield may be the same.....esp since the WAFL is no longer on an even playing field any more, hard to decipher if they are any good.....Shepherd has two flags at Peel, but he is light years away from an AFL gig

 

[salim malik]

If Darcy was healthy I would be all for Sandi playing less games for sure. Hill isn't over the hill crap try again.

Mundy is clearly one of our best forwards right now, which is a different conversation altogether.

It's not about having the youngest team, its about having an actual plan. I just don't think there is one outside of what Ross has been doing for the last 10+ years.

I can't believe I'm saying this but Melbourne actually embraced doing a rebuild properly and they have a young exciting team. Hell, you just need to look at the 76ers in the NBA to see that 'the process' can work. What is Ross' process?

Melbourne really You can't be taken seriously after posting that little gem.

 

[raffrox]

I am calling this out for the bullshit it is. Melbourne embracing the rebuild properly? SO we are doing it wrong because we are keeping some senior players around after bringing in 22 (?) players over the last 2 years?

Melbourne are doing well at the moment, following not playing finals since 2006. They have had disasters like losing games by 186, multiple sackings of coaches, coach transition plans, tanking for picks, wasting top draft picks due to poor development, the recruitment of Mitch Clark..... the list goes on.

Let's not forget what happened when they appointed their new coach to take them back to the finals in 2011:
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-06-17/mark-neelds-melbourne-timeline
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/neeld-just-one-part-of-the-problem-20130617-2odd2.html

You say Ross doesn't have a process. We are playing 12 players of U50 games a week at the moment, are we supposed go get rid of everyone over 28 to get games into more young players? You don't just throw young players to the wolves, they need guys around them to give guidance and support and to take the hits. You never go full Melbourne.

Do you remember Melbourne bringing in world beaters Bernie Vince and Daniel Cross to teach Melbourne how to play on game day?
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/pa...d/news-story/56d0b82128b8879aabdc82edbe622e72

“I think getting Bernie Vince and Daniel Cross — two experiences players — don’t underestimate their importance,” Roos said on Fox Footy’s On The Couch.

“Bernie is still playing, but I wouldn’t underestimate the value of Daniel Cross.

“The reason I say that is because one of the things they really struggled with was game day, just knowing how hard to work on game day. And that was the biggest thing. The two-way transition running was difficult for them.

“So having ‘Crossy’ and having his GPS numbers and seeing his vision, the way he would play, and we’d still put him on some of the best midfielders in the competition, and his GPS (numbers) were through the roof.

“So his ability to explain to players his vision … was just imperative.”

What did they do when they started rebuilding

The club has backed Ross Lyon in until 2020. If by halfway through that year we are seeing zero improvement he will be punted but he has earned the respect of the club to be given the opportunity to rebuild the list. Or we could punt him and go and get the next Mark Harvey, Mark Neeld or maybe we will get the next Hardwick who will take 9 years to get us a flag. There is no guarantees with a new coach nor with holding onto Lyon but he has shown he is good enough to get teams to Grand Finals and the club has backed him in to do it again.

To point to Melbourne as a team that "actually embraced doing a rebuild properly" is revisionist history at it's best. They failed at multiple rebuilds and had to bring in an experienced defensive minded coach to get them to stop going backward before they could move forwards.

I have no issue with people calling for Lyon to be sacked. I think it is wrong and will set the club backwards unless there is a better option available. The club has fully committed to the rebuild and developing a list that will challenge for a flag. Hopefully the new crew of Logue, Cerra, Brayshaw etc will be able to deliver it.

I know I will be along for the ride and will enjoy it for as long as we there is vision of where we are going and signs that we are heading there.

Wow. Quite the manifesto.

You are talking like we have some kind of credibility and that we are considered with high regard or something. We're not rated. We are seen as a joke and Ross is beyond being dismissed because he is clearly, clearly behind the times.

Melbourne clearly made mistakes and stripped their club of their veterans. That's why they needed to get Cross and Vince. Vince has been good. You clearly need a balance and I think we've got enough balance without MJ and Pearce. Roos also clearly evolved. Clearly changed what he was doing to suit.

You want to start bolding text, go for it. GIVE ME ONE EXAMPLE WHERE ROSS HAS EVOLVED HIS GAME PLAN. A seven man defense to start every game is bullshit and gutless. The players want to be inspired. Do you think they are playing like they are?

Congratulations that you are along for the ride. So "buckle up" and "give good effort" and sheeple along.

 

[raffrox]

Melbourne really You can't be taken seriously after posting that little gem.

That fact that people on our board can't see our current trajectory and still trash talk other clubs like we are some ideal that other clubs aspire to (or even care about) is laughable.

I see a team with an actual forward line. Something that our current game plan wouldn't recognise if it bumped into it on the street.

If you don't think things are wrong then why the hell has the message from Ross for the last two weeks been "gees I guess our forward line needs more structure" and the gem this week "let's double down on youth" .

Really?

I could have told him that over 12 months ago. Please don't insult me with that crap Ross.

 

[salim malik]

That fact that people on our board can't see our current trajectory and still trash talk other clubs like we are some ideal that other clubs aspire to (or even care about) is laughable.

I see a team with an actual forward line. Something that our current game plan wouldn't recognise if it bumped into it on the street.

Melbourne have been years in the wilderness with constant 100 point reamings , so much so that the AFL had to step in and give them priority picks . They took the private schoolboy over Natanui . Sacked their experience and threw their youth to the wolves. Appointed young inexperienced dual captains that were delisted . Paid Clark and his girlfiend and dad millions to renege on Freo. How did that work out. The list of stuff ups goes on and on.
The fact that you threw Melbourne up as a rebuild icon is laughable.
Hopefully the AFL will also recognise that we are crap and give us priority picks so we can draft an under age Hogan and bump up our forward line .
Sensible posters can see what the club is trying to achieve and should give them time to see out the plan. If it doesn't pan out sack the lot of them and start again.

 

[raffrox]

Melbourne have been years in the wilderness with constant 100 point reamings , so much so that the AFL had to step in and give them priority picks . They took the private schoolboy over Natanui . Sacked their experience and threw their youth to the wolves. Appointed young inexperienced dual captains that were delisted . Paid Clark and his girlfiend and dad millions to renege on Freo. How did that work out. The list of stuff ups goes on and on.
The fact that you threw Melbourne up as a rebuild icon is laughable.
Hopefully the AFL will also recognise that we are crap and give us priority picks so we can draft an under age Hogan and bump up our forward line .
Sensible posters can see what the club is trying to achieve and should give them time to see out the plan. If it doesn't pan out sack the lot of them and start again.

Did you really want to play the game where we list club history's and say how great we are?

Time to get a grip and expect a fair bit from our club.

 

[Kram]

Melbourne's rebuild is basically on the back of a decade of pure incompetence through to outright tanking. It took being given many, many high draft picks and the AFL even coming in finally with getting them a decent coach in Roos for a period to right the ship finally things were always eventually come good.

Praising them for finally getting it right after all this and an example of rebuilding to follow is comical.

 

[Yeti]

Wow. Quite the manifesto.

You are talking like we have some kind of credibility and that we are considered with high regard or something. We're not rated. We are seen as a joke and Ross is beyond being dismissed because he is clearly, clearly behind the times.

Melbourne clearly made mistakes and stripped their club of their veterans. That's why they needed to get Cross and Vince. Vince has been good. You clearly need a balance and I think we've got enough balance without MJ and Pearce. Roos also clearly evolved. Clearly changed what he was doing to suit.

You want to start bolding text, go for it. GIVE ME ONE EXAMPLE WHERE ROSS HAS EVOLVED HIS GAME PLAN. A seven man defense to start every game is bullshit and gutless. The players want to be inspired. Do you think they are playing like they are?

Congratulations that you are along for the ride. So "buckle up" and "give good effort" and sheeple along.

Why does it matter what the perceptions are externally? The club has a plan to rebuild and build a premiership list. Why would they listen to outside voices when we are at the 2 years through a rebuild? I know coming into the season my expectations were to finish around 12th position, reduce the 100+ point floggings and pump games into the youth. I have no idea what the clubs expectations were but if they were thinking of pushing for the 8 that would be a gross over estimation of our list.

Why do I have to give you an example of an evolving game plan? I didn't mention game plan, that is not my area as a supporter to comment on. Do I get frustrated watching us at the moment? Of course I do, nothing irritates me more seeing us transition the ball with pace and precision some games and then go to water and bomb it for the next 3. But we are a young transitioning team, it will click with overall game experience as well as the group playing to gether consistently.

You can call me a sheep all you like, yet you were the one who quoted the 76ers mantra of "Trust the Process". The club has committed to it, why aren't you?

You cited Melbourne as a great example of a rebuilding club. Maybe you need to review that, they haven't achieved anything yet.

If by round 10 2020 we aren't playing Football that will see us in the 8 I will be happy to see the club move him on. Until then support, review, plan and implement should be the way forward for the club. It seems people calling for his head are wanting instant results like this is the NBA or NRL where you can bring in players with fluid movement and go from a bottom team to challenging in the space of an off season.

 

[raffrox]

Why does it matter what the perceptions are externally? The club has a plan to rebuild and build a premiership list. Why would they listen to outside voices when we are at the 2 years through a rebuild? I know coming into the season my expectations were to finish around 12th position, reduce the 100+ point floggings and pump games into the youth. I have no idea what the clubs expectations were but if they were thinking of pushing for the 8 that would be a gross over estimation of our list.

Why do I have to give you an example of an evolving game plan? I didn't mention game plan, that is not my area as a supporter to comment on. Do I get frustrated watching us at the moment? Of course I do, nothing irritates me more seeing us transition the ball with pace and precision some games and then go to water and bomb it for the next 3. But we are a young transitioning team, it will click with overall game experience as well as the group playing to gether consistently.

You can call me a sheep all you like, yet you were the one who quoted the 76ers mantra of "Trust the Process". The club has committed to it, why aren't you?

You cited Melbourne as a great example of a rebuilding club. Maybe you need to review that, they haven't achieved anything yet.

If by round 10 2020 we aren't playing Football that will see us in the 8 I will be happy to see the club move him on. Until then support, review, plan and implement should be the way forward for the club. It seems people calling for his head are wanting instant results like this is the NBA or NRL where you can bring in players with fluid movement and go from a bottom team to challenging in the space of an off season.

Assumption Number One: All rebuilds eventually end and work.

False. The reality is that Melbourne has gone from laughing stock to a very solid team so if you think theres nothing to learn from a team actually coming through the other side then that is the definition of arrogance and/or blind faith. To be clear I am talking the Roos years onwards. The time I think they actually comitted to a process and a plan. Thats 2014 onwards. We are now in 2018. So if our rebuild started in 2016 then by 2020 we should be in the mix then right? And from everyones own admission Melbourne were much more of a basketcase. So should we make it 2019 then if we are better than them? How bout it?

Where will we be at the end of next season (2019) if we are so much more special than Melbourne and I've got no cred because I'm citing them?

You believe theres a process thats working? You you don't believe that it's not your place to question the game plan? That's your choice. There are clearly mixed messages regarding the rebuild. Ross jumps around with his words and actions. No doubt.

As I said above...

If you don't think things are wrong then why the hell has the message from Ross for the last two weeks been "gees I guess our forward line needs more structure" and the gem this week "let's double down on youth" .

Really?

I could have told him that over 12 months ago. Please don't insult me with that crap Ross.

Why does the external matter? Well if I believed in the plan it wouldn't. I'm not sure that Ross listens to anyone external from himself and in todays day and age thats a one way trip to a disaster. Thats my assesssment. Don't like it? Not fussed. I'll stand by it and we'll check back in in another 6 months, 12 months and see how we go. I'm calling it how I see it using what I can see and I care about this club too much to not have an opinion. If you don't think it's your place to have an opinion then enjoy.

I don't think the club is going to walk away from Ross so if he doesn't walk from us we'll get to see this one play out. Let's see how we go.

So come one then. Show me your a person of conviction. You think we'll be genuinely contesting for finals in 2019? Otherwise we are at best equal to "basketcase" Melbourne? That goes for you too Salim and anyone else.

Well?

 

[Yeti]

Assumption Number One: All rebuilds eventually end and work.

False. The reality is that Melbourne has gone from laughing stock to a very solid team so if you think theres nothing to learn from a team actually coming through the other side then that is the definition of arrogance and/or blind faith. To be clear I am talking the Roos years onwards. The time I think they actually comitted to a process and a plan. Thats 2014 onwards. We are now in 2018. So if our rebuild started in 2016 then by 2020 we should be in the mix then right? And from everyones own admission Melbourne were much more of a basketcase. So should we make it 2019 then if we are better than them? How bout it?

Where will we be at the end of next season (2019) if we are so much more special than Melbourne and I've got no cred because I'm citing them?

You believe theres a process thats working? You you don't believe that it's not your place to question the game plan? That's your choice. There are clearly mixed messages regarding the rebuild. Ross jumps around with his words and actions. No doubt.

As I said above...



Why does the external matter? Well if I believed in the plan it wouldn't. I'm not sure that Ross listens to anyone external from himself and in todays day and age thats a one way trip to a disaster. Thats my assesssment. Don't like it? Not fussed. I'll stand by it and we'll check back in in another 6 months, 12 months and see how we go. I'm calling it how I see it using what I can see and I care about this club too much to not have an opinion. If you don't think it's your place to have an opinion then enjoy.

I don't think the club is going to walk away from Ross so if he doesn't walk from us we'll get to see this one play out. Let's see how we go.

So come one then. Show me your a person of conviction. You think we'll be genuinely contesting for finals in 2019? Otherwise we are at best equal to "basketcase" Melbourne? That goes for you too Salim and anyone else.

Well?

I never said all rebuilds eventually end and work. I am saying this one has just started. We are 2 drafts in and people are calling for him to be sacked. Why?What results were you expecting by round 10, second year into the rebuild with 22 new players on the list? He is rebuilding, as per my previous points. I also said if by round 10 2020 we are not on track to play finals I am happy to get rid of him.

There is no blind faith that this will work, I am trusting the club has done their due diligence and that we are working towards a list that can give us sustained success.

I never said anything about contesting finals in 2019, you seem to be trying to move away from my point about Melbourne and how much of a bullshit example it is. They have done nothing yet. How can you say with such conviction that what the club is currently doing won't work?

Where should we be at the moment in terms or results and on-field performance during year 2 of the rebuild? Where should we be at the end of the season?

We all want the same thing, for us to develop a list to win a flag. I have no evidence in front of me that we are not heading in the right direction. This stuff doesn't just happen like in the NBA and NRL. It takes time, patience and the club working towards a goal.

If clubs reacted to external pressure like you are talking about then Richmond would have got rid of Damian Hardwick at the end of 2016. They backed him in because they believed he is the right man for the job. Our club appears to be doing the same. Until there is evidence to suggest we are not moving forward I see no reason not to back the club and the coach.

 

[raffrox]

I never said all rebuilds eventually end and work. I am saying this one has just started. We are 2 drafts in and people are calling for him to be sacked. Why?What results were you expecting by round 10, second year into the rebuild with 22 new players on the list? He is rebuilding, as per my previous points. I also said if by round 10 2020 we are not on track to play finals I am happy to get rid of him.

There is no blind faith that this will work, I am trusting the club has done their due diligence and that we are working towards a list that can give us sustained success.

I never said anything about contesting finals in 2019, you seem to be trying to move away from my point about Melbourne and how much of a bullshit example it is. They have done nothing yet. How can you say with such conviction that what the club is currently doing won't work?

Where should we be at the moment in terms or results and on-field performance during year 2 of the rebuild? Where should we be at the end of the season?

We all want the same thing, for us to develop a list to win a flag. I have no evidence in front of me that we are not heading in the right direction. This stuff doesn't just happen like in the NBA and NRL. It takes time, patience and the club working towards a goal.

If clubs reacted to external pressure like you are talking about then Richmond would have got rid of Damian Hardwick at the end of 2016. They backed him in because they believed he is the right man for the job. Our club appears to be doing the same. Until there is evidence to suggest we are not moving forward I see no reason not to back the club and the coach.

I gave a clear concrete example of a rebuild. Paul Roos. Melbourne. 2014-2018.

My point? If you have the right person for the rebuild, it can work. Ross isn't it in my opinion.

Tell me why its a crap example? If its a bad example then Ross will at least equal or better the Roos timeline. So 2019-2020 it is.

We are currently the most noncompetitive team in the league away from home. It is literally not worth watching if we aren't at Optus Stadium. No one is as consistently bad as us away from home. We are also playing safe, uninspiring footy at home. I'm not happy with our progress.

 

[salim malik]

Assumption Number One: All rebuilds eventually end and work.

False. The reality is that Melbourne has gone from laughing stock to a very solid team so if you think theres nothing to learn from a team actually coming through the other side then that is the definition of arrogance and/or blind faith. To be clear I am talking the Roos years onwards. The time I think they actually comitted to a process and a plan. Thats 2014 onwards. We are now in 2018. So if our rebuild started in 2016 then by 2020 we should be in the mix then right? And from everyones own admission Melbourne were much more of a basketcase. So should we make it 2019 then if we are better than them? How bout it?

Where will we be at the end of next season (2019) if we are so much more special than Melbourne and I've got no cred because I'm citing them?

You believe theres a process thats working? You you don't believe that it's not your place to question the game plan? That's your choice. There are clearly mixed messages regarding the rebuild. Ross jumps around with his words and actions. No doubt.

As I said above...



Why does the external matter? Well if I believed in the plan it wouldn't. I'm not sure that Ross listens to anyone external from himself and in todays day and age thats a one way trip to a disaster. Thats my assesssment. Don't like it? Not fussed. I'll stand by it and we'll check back in in another 6 months, 12 months and see how we go. I'm calling it how I see it using what I can see and I care about this club too much to not have an opinion. If you don't think it's your place to have an opinion then enjoy.

I don't think the club is going to walk away from Ross so if he doesn't walk from us we'll get to see this one play out. Let's see how we go.

So come one then. Show me your a person of conviction. You think we'll be genuinely contesting for finals in 2019? Otherwise we are at best equal to "basketcase" Melbourne? That goes for you too Salim and anyone else.

Well?

I like every one else on here have no idea what will transpire in 2019 or tomorrow,or next week ffs. Did you genuinely think Richmond would win the GF after their last game 100 point thrashing in 016 or the Eagles sitting 8 and 1 this season . I along with most who follow the AFL would not have forecast that in a million years. I'm so glad you have this ability to predict whats going to happen in 019. You must be incredibly rich backing sure things.

 

[Mudd]

I gave a clear concrete example of a rebuild. Paul Roos. Melbourne. 2014-2018.

My point? If you have the right person for the rebuild, it can work. Ross isn't it in my opinion.

Tell me why its a crap example? If its a bad example then Ross will at least equal or better the Roos timeline. So 2019-2020 it is.

We are currently the most noncompetitive team in the league away from home. It is literally not worth watching if we aren't at Optus Stadium. No one is as consistently bad as us away from home. We are also playing safe, uninspiring footy at home. I'm not happy with our progress.

Interestingly enough between 2014-2018 Melbourne only suffered 2 x 100 point losses, we had 3 alone in 2017!

If that is classified as wilderness then we are up the creek without a paddle.

 

[Purplrrr]

It can be pretty depressing watching us play at the moment, but Melbourne missed the eight last year, right? Despite all those home games and barely any travel and priority picks and AFL assistance etc. so if we are just pushing the eight next year, then theoretically, we might be killing it in 2020. Just like Melbourne.
Not saying I believe this, as there are so so many other factors to take into account - footy isn't theoretical. but if Melbourne is the blue print and that is the time line, then we can still miss finals next year. Hooray!

 

[salim malik]

Interestingly enough between 2014-2018 Melbourne only suffered 2 x 100 point losses, we had 3 alone in 2017!

If that is classified as wilderness then we are up the creek without a paddle.

So Melbourne last played finals in 06 , what about the seasons between 06 and 014? I think 12 years and still not played a final could be classified as being a little lost.

 

[Yeti]

I gave a clear concrete example of a rebuild. Paul Roos. Melbourne. 2014-2018.

My point? If you have the right person for the rebuild, it can work. Ross isn't it in my opinion.

Tell me why its a crap example? If its a bad example then Ross will at least equal or better the Roos timeline. So 2019-2020 it is.

We are currently the most noncompetitive team in the league away from home. It is literally not worth watching if we aren't at Optus Stadium. No one is as consistently bad as us away from home. We are also playing safe, uninspiring footy at home. I'm not happy with our progress.

I can respect that you think he is the wrong person for the job, I don't understand why. Why is Roos the right guy for the Melbourne rebuild and Ross Lyon is the wrong one for our rebuild?

Roos won a GF by 1 point and lost another by 1 point.

RTB Drew a GF, if he Milne gets a good bounce then he has the same GF wins as Roos. If Sydney lose by a point 2 years in a row Roos is on the same premierships as RTB. Flags need alot to go right.

You can be unhappy with our progress, if we sack Ross what guarantees can you give that his replacement will be the one to take us forward like Roos (in your eyes) and not a Mark Neeld?

Ross Lyon should be backed in to see the plan through until it is clearly evident he has failed.

You say we are the least competitive team away from home, what criteria are you basing this on? Pure wins / loss? Or are you looking at WHO we play at home, their ladder position and injury list? Or are you bending the results to your narrative?

Show me how we are objectively the worst team away from home.

 

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I like every one else on here have no idea what will transpire in 2019 or tomorrow,or next week ffs. Did you genuinely think Richmond would win the GF after their last game 100 point thrashing in 016 or the Eagles sitting 8 and 1 this season . I along with most who follow the AFL would not have forecast that in a million years. I'm so glad you have this ability to predict whats going to happen in 019. You must be incredibly rich backing sure things.

And yet there's this common wisdom/prediction where just because our youngsters hit 50 games we are suddenly going to be good? Lot of examples out there where that isn't the case. Saints hit the start of this year with a very similar list age demographic as Melbourne. Hasn't gone so well for them has it?

Not sure I'm a fan of choosing to be happy to sink into irrelevancy.