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[scon]

all developed by Chris Fagan.

That a paywall Crippa.
Fagan does seem to be a very cagey and cluey critter.
I'd imagine we tried hard to retain Kirky and likely had a go at both Fagan and Dew.
Water can be still on top and boiling below.
The likelihood that any new coach is better than Lyon in their first two or three seasons is small.
Our strategy will be to focus on developing, drafting, trading and reinforcing support of the footy department.

 

[Crippa]

Our list is several years away from being a serious contender, Ross turns 52 later this year. A total of eight men have won a total of 10 VFL / AFL premierships at the age of 52 or older.

No one has ever won a VFL / AFL premiership for the first time aged 52 or older. No one.

What a classic non sequitur.
Correlation does not equal causation.

Chris Fagan turns 57 next month. What were Brisbane thinking?

 

[Crippa]

That a paywall Crippa.
Fagan does seem to be a very cagey and cluey critter.

Sorry bout that. There's a free app I use that overrides paywalls.

https://seo-michael.co.uk/anti-paywall-for-chrome-and-firefox/

I should have just posted a link to the AFLCA profile of Fagan (from his pre-Brisbane days, 2008 -)

Chris coaches the coaches at Hawthorn
http://www.aflca.com.au/index.php?id=17&coachID=1842888

 

[pistol17]

What are the thoughts on Dean Cox?

 

[Tundrawolf]

Rosich does have aspirations for AFL house and was very close to getting a gig last year. He'll keep throwing his hat in the ring as he has ambitions far exceeding the Fremantle Football Club.

 

[Kram]

What a classic non sequitur.
Correlation does not equal causation.

Chris Fagan turns 57 next month. What were Brisbane thinking?

iirc a lot of NFL until coaches have to wait until their 50s to even get a start!

 

[youmewe]

iirc a lot of NFL until coaches have to wait until their 50s to even get a start!

You can put your money where your mouth is.
Current premiership odds for the four clubs with coaches who are 51+:
Port $13
Freo $501
St Kilda $1001
Brisbane $1001.

 

[Kram]

You can put your money where your mouth is.
Current premiership odds for the four clubs with coaches who are 51+:
Port $13
Freo $501
St Kilda $1001
Brisbane $1001.

What has this got to do with anything?

 

[blue shark]

What are the thoughts on Dean Cox?

Would be interesting to know how they feel about Simpson, him and Longmuir did they leave or
pushed?
All the Ex-WA boys have experience, don't have to learn on the job, and with such a young list.
But getting them home? Have a feeling Cox, Longmuir want the top job.

 

[Kram]

How people sitting on their couch watching on TV or from the stands at the stadium 100m away think they can get a good gauge on the quality of assistant coaches is beyond me.

 

[Unique Name]

I hope we stick with Lyon.

Get something close to this on the park and we'll put up a good showing that we will all be happy with.

Logue - Hamling - Blakely
Wilson - APearce - Ryan
Langdon - Neale - B Hill
Walters - Darcy/Ape - Bennell
Matera - Taberner - McCarthy

Sandi - Fyfe - S Hill

Mundy - Brayshaw - Cerra - Tucker

 

[blue shark]

How people sitting on their couch watching on TV or from the stands at the stadium 100m away think they can get a good gauge on the quality of assistant coaches is beyond me.

We don't but if an assistant coach has been employed by several clubs, been through the interview process it
has to be a start.
Also there is a AFL accreditation coarse for coaching.

 

[G Mus]

At Claremont, really??

Maybe not most, but it's not an unfamiliar role - even against Peel when we probably notice more

http://footyprophet.com/dream-season-sees-banfield-back-in-draft-frame/

 

[332docker]

there is no way we will be getting a new senior coach - the club does not have the funds to payout our current coach for 2 full years - doing so would cripple any incoming coach and his team due to the new soft cap on coaching dept budgets.

Just hope they can start winning at home regularly to stop all this Lyon bashing.

The Re-build was a tough decision mid-way thru 2016, by all at the club and they ALL seem invested in seeing it through, which was why they signed up Ross till end of 2020. We will get more wins this year than last and if we can keep getting improvement in the young players and they are all fit and available we will become exciting to watch next year and for years following on from that. People forget how bad we were pre-2012 when Ross took over (in 17 years we had 1 prelim to hang our hat on). from 2012-2015 we experienced what other supporters did - respect - as people grudgingly said we had a good team and most weeks we were going to win.

Sandi, Jonno, D. Pearc, Balla's are not going to be part of any future success but they are giving back their bit to ensure the current crop of young players get there. You've seen Carlton and Brisbane field young teams and get slaughtered week in week out demoralizing those young players. You need to have a blend of experience and youth to be successful. Unfortunately Lyon hasn't got that premiership feather in his cap - paul roos only won one (from his 2 GF appearances) and he seems to be able to do no wrong now. Lyon has been to 4 GF's as senior coach and 2 of those his side was very much in the hunt to win them till late in the last qrt (unlike some recent blowouts) i'd much rather his experience at the helm when things turn as he has shown that he can coach teams to success.

Ross has done exceptionally well with the list he has to get us playing competitively - defensive footy. His brand is the one that stands up in finals on the road (I remember vividly the finals we won on the road that no one gave us any chance, like the one at Geelong in 2013), and that is what is building with the young group we've got. Hang on guys and girls cause when it turns it will be a fun ride again for a while!

 

[meesy]

The club could look at bringing Jarred McVeigh over as an assistant next season after he retires

 

[Unique Name]

The club could look at bringing Jarred McVeigh over as an assistant next season after he retires

Great footballer, great footy mind and certainly wouldn't be against it..... but he's played his whole career in a team with a defensive mindset.

Burgoyne would be another good option. But not sure about getting another ex-Hawthorn player.

 

[Lach72]

How people sitting on their couch watching on TV or from the stands at the stadium 100m away think they can get a good gauge on the quality of assistant coaches is beyond me.

Amusing innit

 

[PurpleEyes]

At the start of the season, Freo were even money to win 9 or more games.
If somebody said to me after 10 rounds, Freo would have lost 6 games against the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, 9th & 11th placed teams on the ladder (and the 9th and 11th placed teams were away games to Port and GWS) and won 4 games against the 12th, 14th, 15th & 16th teams ... I would have thought that was about right in line with my expectations.

I try hard to understand alternative views. So when I see a thread about replacing Lyon, I wonder why Freo fans would want this. After reading the entire thread, the best summary I can come up with is some fans blame RTB for Freo's poor scoring. They think it is RTB's game plan and coaching that is the problem. It appears they think his coaching has been the problem since Freo stopped being successful in 2012-2015 (something which my logic struggles with).

One area of clear criticism is the opinion that Freo bomb the ball in to the Forwards with no game plan.
So given I didn't know if that was true or not, I watched the game from Sunday and took note of every Freo inside50. But, I didn't see Freo bombing the ball inside50, especially not in the first half when the conditions were ok. In the second half with wet conditions there was a little more of it. Norths in general bombed the ball inside their 50 far more often than Freo did. I did see both Ballantynes and McCarthy often lose the contest when the ball was kicked to them in a one on one. Cox dropped a few marks that he got hands to and several other passes to leads either missed the intended target or again the mark was spilt.

I strongly believe, from what I have seen, that because Freo has a lack lustre Forward line-up, people are unfairly pointing blame where it is not warranted. Earlier in the season, with Taberner playing well and providing a target up forward, McCarthy was also playing well. Once Taberner went out injured, McCarthy has struggled. I like Cox as a forward, but he is currently not an experienced quality KPF, yet still possibly our best option at this moment in time.

If you want RTB replaced, then please try to have a better look at why you want him replaced and maybe show why the replacement will do things better. I struggle to see how any new coach will have a dramatic change on Freo's lack of quality forwards in our next team line up.

 

[Belnakor]

What are the thoughts on Dean Cox?

he is an absolute cretin wouldn't have him anywhere near fremantle aside from potentially acting as a goal post.

 

[Belnakor]

At the start of the season, Freo were even money to win 9 or more games.
If somebody said to me after 10 rounds, Freo would have lost 6 games against the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, 9th & 11th placed teams on the ladder (and the 9th and 11th placed teams were away games to Port and GWS) and won 4 games against the 12th, 14th, 15th & 16th teams ... I would have thought that was about right in line with my expectations.

If you want RTB replaced, then please try to have a better look at why you want him replaced and maybe show why the replacement will do things better. I struggle to see how any new coach will have a dramatic change on Freo's lack of quality forwards in our next team line up.

very good points. There is no alternative.

People also need to ignore the narrative out of Victoria that North are some team of kids. They have a very similar list makeup to a team challenging for a premiership. They cannot afford to bottom out due to their finances which is why they always hover around 6-10.

 

[Stronzo]

What are the thoughts on Dean Cox?

As a ruck coach?

 

[Rion]

Meh, think its all a bit immaterial anyway. Hardly see them sacking him after putting so much behind him. Assuming he does actually transition the older guard out this year (which he has yet to fully do tbh) the rebuild narrative will mean he'll definitely be coaching into next year.

Significant improvement needed next year though. Even his most ardent fan surely won't be able to put up with another bottom 4/6 performance in the face of this 2020 flag window.

 

[Joao]

Meh, think its all a bit immaterial anyway. Hardly see them sacking him after putting so much behind him. Assuming he does actually transition the older guard out this year (which he has yet to fully do tbh) the rebuild narrative will mean he'll definitely be coaching into next year.

Significant improvement needed next year though. Even his most ardent fan surely won't be able to put up with another bottom 4/6 performance in the face of this 2020 flag window.

I didn't buy his 2020 vision at the start so I am not going to hang him on it. It is really difficult to execute a rebuild that fast because you simply don't have enough time to get enough games into the kids. I am 100% sure that was marketing talk and not Ross' belief.

If we have a reasonable run with injuries I expect us to be a 1-3 win better (depending on the draw) side than this year. That might scrape us into the 8 or perhaps not assuming we get to around 9 wins this year. Do agree that we need to move on AT LEAST DP and Johnno this year (preferably Ballas too). Need to be more competitive on the road even though I don't expect a lot of wins.

In 2020 we need to play finals and convincingly so.

 

[Square Peg]

I didn't buy his 2020 vision at the start so I am not going to hang him on it. It is really difficult to execute a rebuild that fast because you simply don't have enough time to get enough games into the kids. I am 100% sure that was marketing talk and not Ross' belief.

If we have a reasonable run with injuries I expect us to be a 1-3 win better (depending on the draw) side than this year. That might scrape us into the 8 or perhaps not assuming we get to around 9 wins this year. Do agree that we need to move on AT LEAST DP and Johnno this year (preferably Ballas too). Need to be more competitive on the road even though I don't expect a lot of wins.

In 2020 we need to play finals and convincingly so.

It was straight from his mouth, no excuses to have not won a flag by 2020. Are you saying he says things he doesn't believe?

 

[Joao]

It was straight from his mouth, no excuses to have not won a flag by 2020. Are you saying he says things he doesn't believe?

If you are taking it on him saying (paraphrasing) "it would be a failure if we didn't win a flag by 2020" - then 100% yes.

Do I think he believed we would win the flag in 2020? - no. Unless of course he knows of some massive trades/FA we are going to do in 2018/19.

I personally believed he knew we were unlikely to win one that quick after a full rebuild but is prepared to cop that flak in 2020 because
a) It shows he is committed enough to make a bold claim and also takes a lot of heat off the players in that period (works too, he cops ALL of the heat)
b) If we are close (say win a final/get to a prelim) in 2020 that would be enough to keep him on

I fully expect him to fall on his sword if we don't make serious inroads in 2020 but I don't expect a flag.