Next Midfield HardNuts

[Damp Squarie]

I heard second hand from a former captain of the club that when asked by Neil Craig "What can Todd Viney and yourself bring to the midfield?"
It was unanimous...hardness

Maric is probably gonna be let ofF the leash to support Shirley

Two of the toughest players to play the game especially Viney.

It must be someone who has spent at least two years in there IMO.

We REALLY DO NEED someone who can lead by example and inspire the new breed.

So who is up to it do you think?

 

[betterthanu]

Knights, van Berlo, Dangerfield, Reilly, Thommo can all get the hardball

 

[Campbell's Chunky]

Jarrhan Jacky IMO.

 

[seababoon]

elton john

 

[Damp Squarie]

elton john

takes it up the midfield

 

[Damp Squarie]

Jarrhan Jacky IMO.

Have you seen him go?
Maybe in two years

 

[Damp Squarie]

Knights, van Berlo, Dangerfield, Reilly, Thommo can all get the hardball

Reilly....pfft

Dangerfieldmouse is yet to be tested in the heat of battle.

The other three get my vote though. Knights doesnt have any dog in him ala McDermott and Bickley though; I think every club needs a bit of Josh Carr.

van Berlo needs to be consistent b4 I'd class him as a hardnut; he needs to string good games together but has he got a slow fuse, angry streak sumpin' like that?

The likes of Williams - who won a brownlow for example he had it

 

[Deaneus!]

Dangerfieldmouse is yet to be tested in the heat of battle.

True. But, he was given the magical #32. And, that Turner bloke has talked him up to be as good as the best at this age. And, he was recently described in the papers as developing a "barrel-chest". And, his parents were murdered by criminals when he was young, so now he's got a sort of vendetta-thing-hatred happening. Twenty years from now, he'll be our coach.

Realistically, Maric. Dangerfield, maybe. Sloane? Do we have any? I assume CC you're asking about someone who is able to not only take it but dish it out judiciously? Who flies the flag for the team? Burton always liked it but he's too skinny (and absent) to take seriously. Maric won't take anything from anyone. Can't think of anyone else. After Reilly and Knights' interrupted years, meh, hard to remember. But, if Viney and Bickley want to introduce toughness and the mindset of belting people legally, then i'm all for it. That's the one thing that struck me about Hawthorn in last year's GF - when they had the opportunity to take someone out legally, they did. It's something we're not traditionally good at, so if we can train it into our kids, great. But no we don't - of have very few - people on our list who i can think of as guys who will belt you when you deserve it, and even if you don't.

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

Reilly....pfft

Dangerfieldmouse is yet to be tested in the heat of battle.

The other three get my vote though. Knights doesnt have any dog in him ala McDermott and Bickley though; I think every club needs a bit of Josh Carr.

van Berlo needs to be consistent b4 I'd class him as a hardnut; he needs to string good games together but has he got a slow fuse, angry streak sumpin' like that?

The likes of Williams - who won a brownlow for example he had it

Josh Carr is not a hard nut he is a PEST, very different

I am confident that our new breed midfielders will all be very good at the contested football, however it may take some players three seasons to develop the body to support their willingness and competitive spirit..

 

[twentydollarnote]

Exactly a player like Josh Carr isnt hard and he doesnt win you games, he is a dirty little scragger. Thomo is our player who can 'lead by example and inspire the new breed' but he does it through playing good hard footy not taking cheap shots.

 

[knighter u star]

knights does so put his body on the line line to win the hardball well maybe at least he tackles hard when he feels the desire too

 

[StuPendus]

We had one and we got rid of him and they've given his number to a Tommy Lee.

 

[Mismatched]

Jarrhan Jacky IMO.

Luke Jericho? No wait...

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

No one.

Thompson could maybe have developed into that type of player but he gave away a couple of free kicks once so we decided it was best to not go down that path.

As always we will rely on being well drilled, disciplined, consistent, professional and sensible. Not on physical aggression or intimidation.

 

[RoosterLad]

We need Thommo back to his bash and crash style, if he gives away some frees then so be it (depending on the situation of course). The team isn't hard enough now so we need him to lead from the frontline in 09.

 

[Jars458]

Is hardness really a problem? I don't think so. Gnerally our hard ball gets are quite high and nearly all the players put their body on the line.

I wold love a Josh Francou type having said that. Maybe Sloane will be the one in future.

 

[AFC1990]

Is hardness really a problem? I don't think so. Gnerally our hard ball gets are quite high and nearly all the players put their body on the line.

I wold love a Josh Francou type having said that. Maybe Sloane will be the one in future.

I dont think true hardness is an issue. Look at the first showdown last year - both sides were very hard at it, our focus was a little more on the ball, and a great outcome was achieved. An ability to stand in tackles, absorb physical punishment and still perform, play with injury and contribute, to not be distracted by physical intimidation, to retain focus under pressure etc all represent a type of hardness I am sure Craigy is nurturing, and I think we have the right character through our list to play this way. In 2005/6 a lot of people were commenting on the physical size/development of our side, and we may have lost some of this with the exit of Biglands, Hudson,Roo,Clarke,Sarge etc, and maybe in 2010 we will be back at that level with the continued development of Maric/Walker/Tippett/Dangerfield/Knights etc. We are perceived to lack an intimidator or enforcer ala Roo, a creator of footseps and soiled straps. An Archer, Hall, Voss or Worsfold. Perhaps that era has gone, replaced by the new breed like Hodge. What I would give to have Hodge. Maybe Ivan is the enforcer? Knights as his deputy. Anyone else remember an important game in 07, one of our guys was slung over the boundary line, and Knights flew in and decked the offender, giving away a free kick , but the action was spoken about for a while after, a real team thing and a real sign he has it in him. Or is it just because he's a left footer like Luke?

 

[Asgardian]

Josh Carr is not a hard nut he is a PEST, very different

Exactly a player like Josh Carr isnt hard and he doesnt win you games, he is a dirty little scragger.

Incredible.

Try watching the 2004 G/F

Would you say Jon Brown is not a hard player?

Would you say Damien Hardwick was not a hard player?

What about Paul Kelly, Gary Hocking, Francis Bourke, Geof Motley, Fred Bills, Neil Kerley, hell, I could name 100's of them.

A hard player wins his team the footy any number of ways, going into the pack to win the footy, taking a punch for the team, getting into a fight for the team, making or taking a hard tackle, laying a shepherd, backing into a marking contest pack, waiting under the ball, not taking his eyes off the ball, playing with & through injury, sledging.

Not recognising these attributes in Josh Carr highlights one of two things, the first I wont say, the second is you're very biased.

 

[winky14]

Anyone else remember an important game in 07, one of our guys was slung over the boundary line, and Knights flew in and decked the offender, giving away a free kick , but the action was spoken about for a while after, a real team thing and a real sign he has it in him. Or is it just because he's a left footer like Luke?

I remember that. It was at one of the Showdowns that year and it was such a sweet moment because it was Chad Cornes who got sat on his arse.

 

[brent-83]

Incredible.

Try watching the 2004 G/F

Would you say Jon Brown is not a hard player?

Would you say Damien Hardwick was not a hard player?

What about Paul Kelly, Gary Hocking, Francis Bourke, Geof Motley, Fred Bills, Neil Kerley, hell, I could name 100's of them.

A hard player wins his team the footy any number of ways, going into the pack to win the footy, taking a punch for the team, getting into a fight for the team, making or taking a hard tackle, laying a shepherd, backing into a marking contest pack, waiting under the ball, not taking his eyes off the ball, playing with & through injury, sledging.

Not recognising these attributes in Josh Carr highlights one of two things, the first I wont say, the second is your very biased.

I find myself agreeing with a Power suppoerter . Carr definately is a hard nut and I'd love some of our players to have his attributes.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

A hard player wins his team the footy any number of ways, going into the pack to win the footy, taking a punch for the team, getting into a fight for the team, making or taking a hard tackle, laying a shepherd, backing into a marking contest pack, waiting under the ball, not taking his eyes off the ball, playing with & through injury, sledging.

Not recognising these attributes in Josh Carr highlights one of two things, the first I wont say, the second is your very biased.

Hopefully some of this hardness will rub off on the Port players in 2009, just like it did on the Fremantle players the last couple of years.

 

[Damp Squarie]

Incredible.

Try watching the 2004 G/F

Would you say Jon Brown is not a hard player?

Would you say Damien Hardwick was not a hard player?

What about Paul Kelly, Gary Hocking, Francis Bourke, Geof Motley, Fred Bills, Neil Kerley, hell, I could name 100's of them.

A hard player wins his team the footy any number of ways, going into the pack to win the footy, taking a punch for the team, getting into a fight for the team, making or taking a hard tackle, laying a shepherd, backing into a marking contest pack, waiting under the ball, not taking his eyes off the ball, playing with & through injury, sledging.

Not recognising these attributes in Josh Carr highlights one of two things, the first I wont say, the second is your very biased.

Good Post As
You know the hardness Im refering to.
I didnt want to name them coz I'd leave 20 out.

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

Incredible.

Try watching the 2004 G/F

Would you say Jon Brown is not a hard player?

Would you say Damien Hardwick was not a hard player?

What about Paul Kelly, Gary Hocking, Francis Bourke, Geof Motley, Fred Bills, Neil Kerley, hell, I could name 100's of them.

A hard player wins his team the footy any number of ways, going into the pack to win the footy, taking a punch for the team, getting into a fight for the team, making or taking a hard tackle, laying a shepherd, backing into a marking contest pack, waiting under the ball, not taking his eyes off the ball, playing with & through injury, sledging.

Not recognising these attributes in Josh Carr highlights one of two things, the first I wont say, the second is your very biased.

and what hard act's is Josh remembered for while at Fremantle

just because Jericho put his body on the line in the 2008 showdown does not automatically make Jericho a hard nut

Josh Carr does not put the fear up me, he just makes me check my rear vision mirrors

 

[RoosterLad]

Josh Carr is a hardnut, yes he does snipe a bit too but he is hard at the ball. Some people are so biased that they can't see one decent football quality in a rival player.

Who cares what he is remembered for at Freo? What the **** are they remembered for? They are a rabble team, rabble club.

Showdowns will be interesting next season...

 

[Southerntakeover]

Ricciutos right knuckle is harder than Josh Carr