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Coff is Goddard 2.0
Need to drop the aggro and play midfield to really shine IMO.
Need to drop the aggro and play midfield to really shine IMO.
Analysis Nick Coffield
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I see no problem with Coff- just one of those players who will develop quietly and become a good player I expect.
That's the issue here. If we used pick 40+ on him then we would all be fine with him being a good player. However when you invest in a top 10 pick, you need them to become close to elite. Our drafting of top picks over the past 10 years has been quiet poor.
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Anyone writing Coffield off from 18 games - some good, some bad - is just trying to start an argument for the sake of an argument.
He was improving with every game he played last year and every game was showing glimpses as to why we drafted him. All you can ask really.
He was improving with every game he played last year and every game was showing glimpses as to why we drafted him. All you can ask really.
Provided we understand that what Richo wanted for Acres is the same as what Ratts wants for Battle
Oh come off it!
How many back flankers were averaging over 20 touches a game in their second year?
I can tell you Coff's averages are similar or better than Hurn's, Goddard's, Enright's, Bob Murphy's, Heath Shaw's and Docherty's at the same age.
If they couldn't average 20 touches in their 2nd year how did they manage to all become all australian players?
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I agree that Hill is going to be a lot better for us than Acres will be for them, and I am hugely in favour of the Hill trade. But its misleading to imply that they can be directly compared. Acres was a part of a huge host of picks to Fremantle in exchange for Hill. So it's really Acres plus x and y vs Hill.
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Mate have a look over the last 10-15 years how many top 10 picks become half decent. For every Hurn, Goddard etc there are your Xavier Ellis, Oakley-Nicholls, Grant, Toumpas etc. 40-50% of top 10 picks become actual flops.
Hopefully Coffield steps up and becomes a star, but at the moment he has a lot do to to make the 22 let alone become a very good player.
True he does, but i think he's shown improvement over his 2 years, and we don't actually have a pressing need for him this year.
It was far more concerning before we got King, waiting for McCartin ( after having 4 seasons ) to show something, while Riewoldt retired.
Another ruckman
Well none of that has anything to do with the point I was disputing which was
If you want to compare stats then Coffield is actually tracking quite well. I had a quick look through a heap of past AA players named on the back flank and couldn't find one averaging 20 disposals at Nick's age in fact most were very similar to him.
And I'm not really sure what the other point you are trying to make is. Some high draftees make it, some don't. Some come on quick and drop away, some are slow burns and end up having great careers.
All I know is that the start of Coffield's career is comparable to quite a few players in his position that have went on to have great careers.
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Only if Richo had played Arces as mid and not forward - back and ruck
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His game on Thursday was fine. Longterm he doesn’t strike me as a player that will ever become a gun. Looks an okay type who could become a 150 + game solid citizen if he sets his mind to it. Across his career I’m expecting output similar to Shane Savage. You don’t need 22 guns to win a flag. You also need some foot soldiers. He’s a keeper.
We were talking about Acres. Someone went off that he played on the wing and was in their words 'tearing it up'.
Hill plays on the wing for us so fair comparison. The picks haven't played a senior game.
If Coff turns out a solid foot soldier and Clarke an A grader that’s a pretty good return for picks 7 & 8.
Too many people expect all top 20 players to be superstars. It’s ain’t always gonna happen
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I think we'll know a lot more about Coffield by season's end. He needs to string games together, find consistency, and remain uninjured. He needs a season where these three things can't be used as excuses.
I agree with others that he needs to show something this year.
I agree with others that he needs to show something this year.
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Agree. Some become busts, some guns & others average players. If he becomes best 22 in a finals team then it’s a massive win.
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I hope he becomes a bit more than a foot soldier for us. I think I'm being realistic enough with my expectations (along with the raps on the kid in his draft year) to hold out for an above average player. I'd settle for a guy with Geary's defensive accountability, Wilkie's composure, and a bit of Clarks skill.
Not a big ask...just what I think an an above average St.Kilda player should look like
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Personally i disagree with this. I think we gave him the right amount of time on our list and pulled the trigger at an appropriate time.
It took BJ Goddard 4 years to come good and i know he isn't the most popular player on our list but it took 5 years for Seb Ross to break out.
I don't believe Acres had much more value if any more at all had we traded him at three years as compared to 6. However i think there would have been a hell of a lot more risk for us losing out on a great player if we traded him after 3 years instead of 6.
The picks haven't played, but they will eventually. So if we're evaluating the trade then the two players can't be directly compared, as they weren't valued the same. The expectations for Hill are naturally a lot higher than those for Acres.
Great glad you’re setting the bar low to startI hope he becomes a bit more than a foot soldier for us. I think I'm being realistic enough with my expectations (along with the raps on the kid in his draft year) to hold out for an above average player. I'd settle for a guy with Geary's defensive accountability, Wilkie's composure, and a bit of Clarks skill.
Not a big ask...just what I think an an above average St.Kilda player should look like
The hit rate for high picks is better than it used to be.
At the end of the day Coff still looks like he can be above average and Clark looks a star in the making, so on the whole it's still a significant win for the club.
Personally l think he shows the telltale signs of being very young and inexperienced as you'd expect from a bottom ager with 18 games.
The problem is people are gauging him against Clark who is a completely different beast that was top 10 all through u16's and 17's, where as Coff was a late bolter.
I'm expecting him to be more of a Sam Fisher level but with his head screwed on better, rather than the next BJ.
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The key to Coff being a gun or a foot-soldier (I don’t believe he’ll be a bust) is whether or not we see his undoubted pace over short distance at AFL level.
He tested elite at his draft combine (top 5) for 20 meter sprint. When you look at his pre-draft videos, his pace off the mark is a stand-out.
So why aren’t we seeing it yet? Well, he’s still learning the game at the elite level and he’s building his tank. Once he builds his tank and fully adjusts to the pace of AFL level and the tactics and pressure, he won’t be so gassed, will read the game more quickly and instinctively, and will learn how and when to use his undoubted pace off the mark more.
Once the above happens, he’ll really come into his own because he’ll be able to get into space and use his great kicking and decision-making.
I‘ve got really high hopes for him but players with his attributes can take a little time. I wouldn’t discount him becoming the better player out of him and Hunter just yet. I think they’ll both end up rippers.
He tested elite at his draft combine (top 5) for 20 meter sprint. When you look at his pre-draft videos, his pace off the mark is a stand-out.
So why aren’t we seeing it yet? Well, he’s still learning the game at the elite level and he’s building his tank. Once he builds his tank and fully adjusts to the pace of AFL level and the tactics and pressure, he won’t be so gassed, will read the game more quickly and instinctively, and will learn how and when to use his undoubted pace off the mark more.
Once the above happens, he’ll really come into his own because he’ll be able to get into space and use his great kicking and decision-making.
I‘ve got really high hopes for him but players with his attributes can take a little time. I wouldn’t discount him becoming the better player out of him and Hunter just yet. I think they’ll both end up rippers.
