no frees for collingwood

[thatday]

Can someone show me where it says that freekicks should be equal at the end of the game? Can't remember seeing it anywhere... Unless you are going to give specific game examples then what you are saying is worthless. The softest free kick IMO was the one that Collingwood got in the goal square for in the back, and then got reversed rightfully so when Maxwell pulled Lonergen? by the shirt onto the ground.

Normally I would agree with your first point about frees not having to be equal, I still do. However, that doesn't change the fact that we get a raw deal from the umpires week in week out. To be -46 in our free kick ratio after just 4 games is just crap.

 

[thatday]

Only if you remove your Collingwood coloured Optimax glasses and give actual examples of bad decisions. Unless this thread is just to whinge with no real basis, then you should be giving actual examples. Surely if it was that bad you would have no problem doing that, I haven't seen many if any listed yet.

Shockingly this is the Collingwood board and that gives us a right to whinge and bitch as much as we like, whether you think it's okay or not. You can piss off any time if you don't like what we are saying.

 

[haywood jablome]

Shockingly this is the Collingwood board and that gives us a right to whinge and bitch as much as we like, whether you think it's okay or not. You can piss off any time if you don't like what we are saying.

Alright so you admit that rather than actually having a valid argument about the free kicks you just like to whinge and moan. Fair enough. For a second I was going to take this thread seriously. Whinge and moan away, I'll leave you all to it.

 

[thatday]

Thanks and bye bye.

 

[Optimax]

Good to have ya back thatday, this will be a long fortnight i imagine. Always good to have a troll hunter backing me up lmao

 

[thatday]

Good to have ya back thatday, this will be a long fortnight i imagine. Always good to have a troll hunter backing me up lmao

Yeah, you seemed to have been doing it more or less on your own for a while..

It's gonna be a shit until we win in Rd 1 but we are Collingwood and we lost so I guess it was expected we would get opposition supporters on here having a dig.

 

[Sloth]

Only if you remove your Collingwood coloured Optimax glasses and give actual examples of bad decisions. Unless this thread is just to whinge with no real basis, then you should be giving actual examples. Surely if it was that bad you would have no problem doing that, I haven't seen many if any listed yet.

How about the Gelong player (forget who) who was tackled, put down. no whistle, so he got up again, was tackled and put down again. still no whistle. he managed to get a kick after that into Geelong's 50. He was gone not once but twice, what the hell do we have to do to get a free?

 

[stanley86]

How about the Gelong player (forget who) who was tackled, put down. no whistle, so he got up again, was tackled and put down again. still no whistle. he managed to get a kick after that into Geelong's 50. He was gone not once but twice, what the hell do we have to do to get a free?

i think it was varcoe, i remember the incident, was atrocious
actually varcoe took on a few pies players a few times and was caught and just dropped the ball, umpire called ball knocked out and the ball was squared up to a geelong player

the one that infuriated me the most though was the free hawkins got for head high contact when the pies player (sorry cant remember who) got a hand on the ball and the inside of his forearm (does that make sense) made contact with the side of his head in a marking contest, clearly accidental/incidental contact. It was snot jeffery who made the decision and he actually commented that it was an accident but you still made contact

bucks even commented the game is in trouble if we are going to start paying these free kicks

 

[didaka]

The Pendlebury no 20 was the most baffling. That ball almost went 30.

 

[Pie eyed]

We get screwed unmercifully all the time.

We either have to just get used to it, devise a method to alter the orders given by the AFL via the Umpires Directors or alter the Umpires perception of the orders.
Then on the other hand we could get a some young untried pilot to drop an electron torpedo into the exhaust duct of the Death Star.

I say kill em all and let God sort it out................

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Why exactly can you not read to much into this. Collingwood plainly stated they wanted to win this competition, so u cant state they werent trying. Both teams fielded squads at nearly 100% strength.....if not geelongs was weaker due to no mooney.

You're ****ing dreaming. Mooney < Shaw, Fraser, O'Brien, Rocca.

Dude you are an idiot!
If the umpires had of gifted you 11 free kicks directly in front of goals and you kicked them all.......guess what you still would have lost

It's still a compelling stat. We've received by far the worst free kick differential in the NAB Cup thus far, and all four of the teams we've played are in the top 6 in terms of differential, including 3 in the top 4. It wouldn't have helped us enough on Friday night, but one has to question why we can't buy free kicks when other teams get them handed to them on a silver platter.

22-6 against Richmond, and a similar number against Geelong until junk time, those are some of the most lopsided tallies I've ever seen in an AFL match.

 

[favourites]

The Pendlebury no 20 was the most baffling. That ball almost went 30.

My favourite one was in the last quarter, Collingwood kicked from the back pocket 20 metres to someone who marked it, it was called no 20 and a bounce happened. From the tap down which went forward to a geelong player and it was kicked to the exact location of where it came and the umpire paid the mark....

But the pendles one was shocking. The umpires have to much say in what occurs, it should be brought back to 10 metres, who cares how short a kick is... the handball is wrecking the game not the kick, extending it to 20m has just made teams handball more.

I was sitting with a Hawthorn supporter and he agreed with me as well, a lot of 50-50 decisions went Geelongs way on the night.

ie Johnson had a chance to get rid of it, got tackled to the ground, then then everyone stopped thinking holding the ball was going to be paid and he just waved play on... And then there is swan who ran down a geelong player only to see him sprawl to the ground and get a cheap in the back decision. The umpires just umpire dumb, if players are playing for a free kick stuff em, it makes for ugly football.

 

[didaka]

We get screwed unmercifully all the time.

We either have to just get used to it, devise a method to alter the orders given by the AFL via the Umpires Directors or alter the Umpires perception of the orders.
Then on the other hand we could get a some young untried pilot to drop an electron torpedo into the exhaust duct of the Death Star.

I say kill em all and let God sort it out................

I'll have a crack, I used to bull's-eye womp rats in my T-16 back home

 

[Optimax]

I'll have a crack, I used to bull's-eye womp rats in my T-16 back home

You go out shooting defenseless animals for fun?

Thats one step under serial killer

 

[didaka]

You go out shooting defenseless animals for fun?

Thats one step under serial killer

star wars quote

 

[Optimax]

star wars quote

Mine was a quote from blue harvest

line before is "do you guys reckon that 90s printer was clean?"

next line after is "theres two bloody suns and no girls around"

Yeah i did just finish watching it

 

[didaka]

Mine was a quote from blue harvest

line before is "do you guys reckon that 90s printer was clean?"

next line after is "theres two bloody suns and no girls around"

Yeah i did just finish watching it

Shit, I knew I had heard it somewhere.

 

[Optimax]

Shit, I knew I had heard it somewhere.

I kind of expected you to know it tbh, ah well happens to all of us eventually

 

[didaka]

I kind of expected you to know it tbh, ah well happens to all of us eventually

Ok kid, don't get penisy

 

[Optimax]

Ok kid, don't get penisy

See right now no idea what your saying, although i vaguely remember it

 

[buzzbuzz]

This is not the thread you're looking for.

 

[FuManchu]

yeah yeah yeah, we wuz robbed

Firstly, umps dont go out of their way to deliberately get it wrong. There is too much review and penalty for them if they are seen as biased

Sure they get plenty wrong, but one of the aspects of our game is the interpretation, which is never clear cut. Tackles that start off good end up head high. That split second between no opportunity and holding the ball. All these things are split second decisions made by people just as fallible as you and I.

Has anyone ever considered that one reason we may be in the red in terms of for and against is the style we play. Over possessing the ball at times leads to more opportunity to tackle us. A heavy reliance on defensive pressure means we sometimes dont tackle correctly, and seeing as we tend to tackle more, then its logical to assume we will stuff up more than others.

Finally, the endless bleating about 'we wuz robbed' by all teams really is ridiculous. It seems to be the last resort of externalising blame rather than internalising it and looking to root causes for some of the problems. Umps get it wrong, both ways! Sometimes it costs you, sometimes it costs them. If you dont like a decision, look back and think of a time that we benefited from one. Because if you are honest to yourself, there will be plenty that you should remember.

 

[Snag Breac]

yeah yeah yeah, we wuz robbed

Firstly, umps dont go out of their way to deliberately get it wrong. There is too much review and penalty for them if they are seen as biased

What are the penalties, and are they actually enforced?

Sure they get plenty wrong, but one of the aspects of our game is the interpretation, which is never clear cut. Tackles that start off good end up head high. That split second between no opportunity and holding the ball. All these things are split second decisions made by people just as fallible as you and I.

Has anyone ever considered that one reason we may be in the red in terms of for and against is the style we play.

Yes - something to take into account. But is it the whole reason?

Over possessing the ball at times leads to more opportunity to tackle us. A heavy reliance on defensive pressure means we sometimes dont tackle correctly, and seeing as we tend to tackle more, then its logical to assume we will stuff up more than others.

If there is a significant differential against Collingwood, could it ever materially affect our position on the ladder? Or if we're good enough, would we be able to rise above it?

 

[FuManchu]

If there is a significant differential against Collingwood, could it ever materially affect our position on the ladder? Or if we're good enough, would we be able to rise above it?

Green .......... thats different! My mother ( RIP) would approve, being from tipperary.

Umpires do get dropped, and god knows what censure behind closed doors. but if you measure it in terms of dollars, not many can afford to be too far off the mark given what it means in loss of pay to get dropped.

Of course it can affect ladder position, it can affect games, it could affect a premiership. But its the whole thing of swings and roundabouts. Sure you hate it when it goes against you, but the laws of averages tell you you get some back that you done deserve. And unless you can prove a vendetta against us, then you just have to live with the fact that all teams get poor decisions, some get a run of them.

I know during this pre season, I've seen plenty go our way as well, maybe not the other night. But given that we did so much chasing all night and that they had so much clean possession, we were always going to be heavily penalised. Its just the part and parcel of a flogging.

Have you ever seen us hand out a flogging and seen the frees against us more than the loser? I have quite often and for a team so reliant of defensive tackling, I dont think it is such a bad stat. That unfortunately wasnt the reason the other night tho!

 

[Alexander323bc]

Granted FuManchu, however you are missing one point that you have raised but have not accredited its full influence. As humans, umpires are inadvertantly biased.
If we get even the most objective Collingwood supporter on this board to umpire a game between Carlton and Collingwood, they will more often then not call a 50-50 decision in their teams favour. Same is true on the flip side. If it is a Carton - Geelong game, they will call the same 50-50 decision against Carlton as opposed to for Geelong. So while you are correct that the free kicks did not affect the outcome of the game, based on statistics, you can assume that umpires are biased against Collingwood, not because of any directive (not excluded from this theory) but simply because of human nature.
You would have to be a superhuman not to let personal bias not affect your decision making process.