Snake_Baker
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But we worship science without understanding the assumptions (like we have 3 dimensions in space/time only) don't allow us to think outside the box.
If you want people to accept a hypothesis without proof, that is worship. Worship is unscientific.
Atheism isn't dogma and it certainly isn't a hypothesis.Exactly, which proves atheism is dogma.
Atheism isn't dogma and it certainly isn't a hypothesis.
Atheism isn't dogma and it certainly isn't a hypothesis.
What rot. I know you want that to be true to justify your beliefs, so you're speaking in generalisations that again highlight your misunderstanding of science (& atheism).It certainly is, even scientists agree. As i said scienitsts understand the limitations of science, atheists don't, they worship science as the ultimate truth. As i said if you want to be agnostic be my guest but atheism is religious belief
Jesus, I wish you'd make up your mind. One minute you're denouncing science, the next you're using it as validation.Science is actually open to the idea that . . .
Jesus, I wish you'd make up your mind. One minute you're denouncing science, the next you're using it as validation.
Science is open to any idea. That's the bloody point of it!
You keep rabbiting on about consciousness as though I'm arguing on that point. I'm not. It's actually pretty bizarre how many times you've raised it. Theoretical physics is a subset of science. It too must ultimately confirm to the same principles of all science. Yet somehow you see it as existing outside them realm of science?
Bizarre.
It’s a very theistic approach to consider that all this had us and conciousness in mind when creating all of those billions of years and billions of collapsed stars and galaxies!Cause to me "god" is that universal consciousness, hence i keep "rabbiting" about the consciousness. Consciousness is fundamental to nature as consciousness "creates" the "experience" we are having. Matter is a derivative of this consciousness, hence it is fundamental and universal in nature there is plenty of science out there which supports my point of view and we only just started researching about it.
I am not denouncing science, science is what science does, i am for science, i am denoucing the religion of science which is used by atheists here. There are physical forces and non-physical forces, this non-physical forces are not denied by science but denied by materialists. Science may eventually get to that but we are very far away from it, neither of us will live long enough to know about it. As per our "present knowledge" what i am trying to say is science is not the only way of verifying things, this is why i talk about consciousness and meditation, cause that is the only way you will know about "stuff" at the moment, this is actually scientific, read what Sam Harris said about meditation and Buddhism, coming from an atheist!
Let me clear the air once and for all, atheism is not consistent with the scientific method nor is theism.(at the moment anyway). I denounce atheists trying to use science to justify their belief. If you are making an argument against organised religion be my guest, i will join you in that but no one can deny what i am arguing here, not using science anyway cause i am citing science. Yes the concept is vague to us but we are heading the right direction. All scientists understand the limitations of science (at this moment anyway). Hence i am talking about meditation and consciousness here.
I don't "curse science". I quite like it. It's a massive part of why we are here! But science can only provide us with a limited understanding of the nature of reality as we all know what's going on is more than what is seems but we don't know exactly what is it, cause at the end of the day us humans are restricted to a 3 dimensional plane and 5 senses. This is why i love science, i also understand the limitations of it. At present its pointing in the right direction when it says consciousness is non-local in nature, but we may never get to the truth, cause of our lack of understanding of higher states of consciousness (dimensions/consciousness), hence we are severely restricted. In other words you simply cannot measure what not measurable. Just like a string is not measurable, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. This is my point when i say not everything is observed, seen and measured for it to be true. You can verify all of this through meditation and explore the realities and states of consciousness yourself.
My exception in this thread came from your (or atheists in general) claim that science is interested in the "truth", but as Bohm said, you can only experience it in finite ways by observing it. From a gnostic perspective, one cannot experience truth via intellectual observation, which is why the intellect needs to be rested through transcendental meditation. My push from atheism into spirituality came from asking the exact same questions that scientists ask at this time. That is, I was not content with the normal religious arguments that it is a "security blanket for the weak" or it is a mass mind control mechanism. I figured there had to be something more to it, and that logically it had something to do with the brain.
I am disliked by the religious people here for a reason cause i reject their interpretation of a loving caring father who hears our prayers etc, i am also dreaded upon by atheists cause i won't subscribe to their belief. Materialists argue with prejudice that consciousness is generated by the brain. Spiritualists argue that consciousness is a sub-atomic energy exclusive of the brain. Intellectually determining which is correct is futile. It would be far better for you to traverse these planes of existence within yourself, through meditational practices, and obtain your own knowledge on the matter. Don't believe in what i am saying though, try it yourself and before you say what that got to do with "anything" for that matter, we are discussing god in a god thread isn't it? it is relevant as Sagan said "depends on how you define god" , when he was asked if he is an atheist. Hope this helps
It’s a very theistic approach to consider that all this had us and conciousness in mind when creating all of those billions of years and billions of collapsed stars and galaxies!
Why not just cut to the chase,why all the waste and destruction and endless creation and endless time?
So you’re saying god is a sadist and a time waster?
It’s a very theistic approach to consider that all this had us and conciousness in mind when creating all of those billions of years and billions of collapsed stars and galaxies!
Why not just cut to the chase,why all the waste and destruction and endless creation and endless time?
So you’re saying god is a sadist and a time waster?
No silly billy, I’m saying why all the wanton waste,destruction on a scale almost unfathomable,when we are the creators utmost outcome?Are you saying your life is a waste of time amigo?
You are the universe made conscious in a manifest form.....Be thankful for your blessings & stop arguing against your own conscious existence, you silly.
No silly billy, I’m saying why all the wanton waste,destruction on a scale almost unfathomable,when we are the creators utmost outcome?
Why not just cut to the chase?
It’s like building an entire city to service one family in one house!
That’s god in a nutshell!
Sorry but I do not trust a religious site. They tend to lie about everything and fabricate data.
American Scientists!!S
Sorry but I do not trust a religious site. They tend to lie about everything and fabricate data.
Lets see something from a reputable organisation to support their fictional chart.
So you’re saying god is a sadist and a time waster?
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Sorry but I do not trust a religious site. They tend to lie about everything and fabricate data.
Lets see something from a reputable organisation to support their fictional chart.
Try to update yourself with time.Indeed, and why bother with so many things such as junk DNA? Surely a universal consciousness would be efficient?