Opinion Non-Crows AFL 12: It's the confectionery with 1000 uses

[spenze]

McClure worse

How is this more punchable?

 

[spenze]

That's because they took the pseudoephadrine out of it and replaced it with phenylephrine which turned out to be a scam.

Popular nasal decongestant found to be ineffective by US drugs regulator – what it means for the UK

The US Food and Drug Administration has reported that the decongestant phenylephrine, taken in oral form, does not work.

theconversation.com

 

[Vader]

That's because they took the pseudoephadrine out of it and replaced it with phenylephrine which turned out to be a scam.

Popular nasal decongestant found to be ineffective by US drugs regulator – what it means for the UK

The US Food and Drug Administration has reported that the decongestant phenylephrine, taken in oral form, does not work.

theconversation.com

You can still get the good stuff over the counter, but you have to ask for it - and they will log the purchase in a database, to prevent anyone from buying it in quantities sufficient to turn it into methamphetamines.

Phenylephrine is just a placebo, at least when taken orally in small doses (i.e. cold & flu tablets). I remember reading that it can be effective, when delivered in other ways (from memory it required infusion directly into the bloodstream) - but it is completely useless when taken orally.

 

[1990crow]

If Silver doesn't exist, then who the hell is this?

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Tim possibly getting over paid based on the current silver prices.

 

[cleanhands]

AFL need to have a strong word to Hinkley for his engaging sledging with opposition players

 

[Scorpus]

You can still get the good stuff over the counter, but you have to ask for it - and they will log the purchase in a database, to prevent anyone from buying it in quantities sufficient to turn it into methamphetamines.

Phenylephrine is just a placebo, at least when taken orally in small doses (i.e. cold & flu tablets). I remember reading that it can be effective, when delivered in other ways (from memory it required infusion directly into the bloodstream) - but it is completely useless when taken orally.

Were people really turning cold and flu tablets into meth in such quantities they had to scam literally everyone with a bullshit placebo instead?

 

[Crow till I die]

AFL need to have a strong word to Hinkley for his engaging sledging with opposition players

The Temu Collingwood seem to get away with far more than we ever can

 

[cleanhands]

The Temu Collingwood seem to get away with far more than we ever can

It’s no wonder his golden hair love child is the same

 

[adelaidecrows]

The AFL are, if anything, fake concerned for the reasons specified in that piece

What they are really concerned about is long contracts limiting player movement, specifically the movement of good players to big Victorian clubs

Nah the AFL doesnt want player movement at all aside from basic trade week. The AFLPA had to put it in and push for all the extras including ease of player movement as part of their collective bargaining. The problem with player movement is it defies every equalisation measure. The AFL contrary to popular believe dont want Geelong and Collingwood winning gf every year. Sure it makes them money, but its a scale, the money coming in at the top sure as shit is going to come out of the bottom from the AFL propping up the poor clubs. So the AFL has to ensure every club is as equal as possible without over stepping the bounds of interference.

 

[spenze]

Were people really turning cold and flu tablets into meth in such quantities they had to scam literally everyone with a bullshit placebo instead?

So when I was in my 20s you could just walk in, get a couple of packs of psuedo, no questions asked...back then they even had the 15mg panadol with coedeine out on display, it was a simpler time.

I guess what was happening was that people were chemists shopping and basically buying all the stock with, say, 10 different people, then going to the next one, and so on.

I really don't have much of an issue with them taking your licence details to keep track but that should be the same with products that had codeine, keep track, do it but we shouldn't all have to miss out because Steve took too many tablets and crashed his car...thanks a lot Steve.

 

[MRB37]

A friend of mine recently dated a sovreign citizen. This person was mental. Lived in a van, ate pet mince for dinner and kept banging on about being immune to parking fines, of which she had many (see part about van).

That'd be a fun time kissing her goodnight.

 

[Vader]

Were people really turning cold and flu tablets into meth in such quantities they had to scam literally everyone with a bullshit placebo instead?

Yes, unfortunately.

 

[Vader]

So when I was in my 20s you could just walk in, get a couple of packs of psuedo, no questions asked...back then they even had the 15mg panadol with coedeine out on display, it was a simpler time.

I guess what was happening was that people were chemists shopping and basically buying all the stock with, say, 10 different people, then going to the next one, and so on.

I really don't have much of an issue with them taking your licence details to keep track but that should be the same with products that had codeine, keep track, do it but we shouldn't all have to miss out because Steve took too many tablets and crashed his car...thanks a lot Steve.

They took away the codeine products for a different reason - people were getting addicted to them. Pseudoephedrine is a precursor chemical for making methamphetamine.

The difference is that one (pseudoephedrine) requires an act of bad faith by the person purchasing the drugs. The other (codeine) just requires someone to take too much of the drug, or to take it for too long.

Both were taken off sale for (arguably) valid reasons, albeit very different reasons.

 

[Samcro24]

So when I was in my 20s you could just walk in, get a couple of packs of psuedo

It wasnt discovered then but nice try

 

[spenze]

It wasnt discovered then but nice try

Ouch

 

[cleanhands]

It wasnt discovered then but nice try

More respect

 

[spenze]

They took away the codeine products for a different reason - people were getting addicted to them. Pseudoephedrine is a precursor chemical for making methamphetamine.

The difference is that one (pseudoephedrine) requires an act of bad faith by the person purchasing the drugs. The other (codeine) just requires someone to take too much of the drug, or to take it for too long.

Both were taken off sale for (arguably) valid reasons, albeit very different reasons.

Sorta makes you wonder why they don't ban alcohol then hey?

 

[Scorpus]

Yes, unfortunately.

Well thank god meth isn't an issue any more

 

[Samcro24]

Ouch

Zing

 

[mcleod at 50 lines it up]

Not to mention, their decades-long attacks on the notion of science, academia, and peer-reviewed research as a whole.

They have created the environment in which idiots on the internet think they know more than lifelong experts in any given field, or failing that, that those experts are all bought and paid for by nefarious actors.

As bad as newscorp is, i would have thought various experts lying or giving unscientific opinions during covid would be the main contributor to mistrust at the moment. Even from a footy perspective we had the SA health professor saying not to touch the football as it went into the crowd, based on..?

 

[Vader]

Sorta makes you wonder why they don't ban alcohol then hey?

They tried that in the US back in the 1930s. It didn't go well.

 

[n4sir]

Were people really turning cold and flu tablets into meth in such quantities they had to scam literally everyone with a bullshit placebo instead?

Yep they did. For decades before ice manufacturing became a thing, pseudoephedrine (aka Sudafed) was known in the feral suburbs like what I grew up in as "low grade speed"

When the bikies found out they could manufacture a potent, addictive drug by accumulating quantities of this stuff, they did. That's half of the equation. Greed of the pharma companies is the other half.

 

[mcleod at 50 lines it up]

I doubt tredrea is crazy too, probably is just sticking it up channel 9 as they did to him and it backfired, he's always been a lone wolf remember the famous captain vote post 2004 when primus returned and he didn't want to give it up, so mark williams called a vote? He got one vote, from himself.

Then there was the save the club/merge with the magpies fund all the senior players donated 10k but he refused.

Great player though, i would have liked to see him evolve beyond a leading chf, probably only brown did of that era but got injured a lot.

 

[n4sir]

It wasnt discovered then but nice try

Hell I discovered it then (not ice, but Sudafed). It was a bloody powerful thing to consume before a Uni exam or a night out. Mix it with a big hit of sugar or caffeine (or both) and you would go all day. You could drink like a bull and party all night. It was called "low grade speed" in the feral suburbs I grew up in for a reason.

 

[cmndstab]

As bad as newscorp is, i would have thought various experts lying or giving unscientific opinions during covid would be the main contributor to mistrust at the moment. Even from a footy perspective we had the SA health professor saying not to touch the football as it went into the crowd, based on..?

Based on the best scientific advice they had at the time?

Science isn't some kind of truth-telling magic. It relies on continual testing and evaluating new data as it comes in. It takes time to get a full picture of things, and in an emergency situation it is prudent to err on the side of caution in the interim.

Early indications were that Covid could be spread via surfaces. Once further testing showed that was rarely the case, the advice was updated accordingly... exactly as it should be handled.

There were no experts lying or giving "unscientific opinions" during Covid. Hell, you almost never heard anything from experts. What you heard were various spokespeople repeating the summary of advice that was told to them by the experts.

But, again, this inclination from you and sadly many others to be immediately suspicious or scornful of experts is a direct result of decades of work from the Murdoch press to demonise and misrepresent science and academia as a whole.