Opinion Non-Crows AFL 4: The Centre Cannot Hold

[GROTTO]

Oh good god. Its you again. Thought we had a gentleman's agreement to avoid each other. I tried blocking you, but your 60,000+ posts of fluff hijacked every damn conversation.

Well did we lose Cameron to the commercial advantages of a Victorian team?

Did Dangerfield go because he was more marketable in Moggs than Adelaide? I am sure Gunston knew he was gonna be the face of Hawthorn in 2013 as soon as Mitchell, Hodge, Burgoyne, Franklin, Roughead, Gibson, Rioli all left.

Ya think Keath went to the Bulldogs because of all the advertising. Same as Betts when he returned to Carlton? Hartigan, Crouch, Greenwood all knew the commercial advantages were there.

Why has nobody abandoned Port? How the hell did they keep Boak? How did the keep Gray? How did the avoid losing Wines / Amon to Victorian interests?

I really dont know what you are talking about, as I never disagreed with any of this.

I actually agreed with your previous post and mentioned there is also on addition commercial advantages to playing for a Victorian Club.

Hope you are well, you seem troubled that everyone is opposing you as usual. All the best.

 

[Scorpus]

Wrong 14 players won 3 flags. 8 players won 2 flags. Thats a core group sticking together over a 4 year period.

Yes, they had a lot of stars and a lot of cheap depth. They didn't have many $400k types and if they did, they left (like Brandon Ellis). They were able to keep their list together because of a much better list strategy.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

McGovern leaving hurt us. He was handy for us and developing well. Did the occasionally brilliant thing that no one on our list could do. Was tracking well.

He's regressed massively as a player which at least means we don't have to watch him run around doing well each week like Cameron, Danferfield, Lever, Gunston.

Leaving hurt him as much as it did us. Was a terrible career move

 

[1970crow]

What a clown

Though what would you expect from Kane when his football analysis runs as deep as a puddle of water.

We won't be finishing bottom next year, this will be another stupid call from Kane that will come back to bite him.

We're one of a handful of clubs in the mix. It's pathetic that of those few he was never going to select anyone else, but he won't be that far off the mark.

 

[1970crow]

We didn't even attempt anything close to a half baked rebuild until Pyke was gone.

We played Jacobs and Douglas in the last game of 2019!

To be fair, we only needed to beat the dogs by 150 odd points in Ballarat to make the 8. And they were proven correct, we only fell short by about 200 points. Getting another game into Dougie and Sauce was invaluable to Pyke's 'rebuild'.

 

[1970crow]

Absolutely. But...

Disagree. In 2018 the club basically persisted with the same list (involuntary changes aside), which was understandable - you don't start gutting the list and rebuilding after a GF appearance. Maybe end of 2018 they should have realised the list rebuild was needed, maybe they thought they had put the 2018 stuff (camp etc) behind them. But really, the commitment to a rebuild didn't start until the end of 2019, which with the benefit of hindsight at least, was a year too late.

Even then we'd have gone into 2020 with Sauce, Keath and Greenwood on the list if they'd accepted deals. Dougie and toxic JJ were the only guys actively forced out. I don't think we genuinely began a rebuild until wheeling Gibbs, Knight and Rat resulted in a 70 point belting by the deputy wooden spooners.

 

[CrowsB4hoes]

How predictable was it when Sydney announced they would wear South Melbourne tops for games in Vic, that Port Power fans would whinge that they still aren’t allowed to wear Collingwood jumpers against us

 

[GreyCrow]

It's called a rebuild.

The club identified that the list which went to the 2017 GF had peaked, and for the first time in the club's history they bit the bullet and accepted that hovering in the mid-pack wasn't going to move us closer to our next premiership. As a result, they made a conscious decision to release players of value, with the aim of building a team from the ground up - one which would (hopefully) be capable of winning our next flag.

So much rubbish.

1. It was halfway through 2018 the club bit the bullet if not into 2019.

Bringing in Gibbs in 2018 says they went all in

2. Releasing players of value is a stretch. Lever, McGovern and Cameron all chose to chase bigger chocolates.

Greenwood, Keath and CEY had some value but given the return nobody else valued them

Retrofitting what happened as something planned is just rubbish.

 

[GROTTO]

I found on the Main Forum, the table for win percentages for all 18 clubs since the AFL became an 18 team competition.

Fun Facts with Grotto

Our win over North took us to 7th place on this ladder and importantly,
trolling Port in the final home and away game of the season in 2021 with our total number of wins.

 

[Sanders]

He's Port's Neil Craig. Although in fairness to Neil, he only missed the 8 twice before resigning.

Neil resigned before he was sacked.

Highlighting the resign thing feels like a vestige of credit is being given to him

Craig was fantastic for about 18 months (ignoring the horrendous 2005 STK loss).

 

[Sanders]

Last article I saw from Geelong was "Chris Scott isn't making excuses" and then he was doing nothing but making excuses for why they lost.

Slight of hand. He wasn’t “making” excuses, he had them already pre-baked ready to go.

 

[Sanders]

So none of these departures hurt us. Which is why we went from a 1st on the ladder and a Grand Final to the wooden spoon in the space of 3 short seasons.

Didn't miss Lever at all. All Australian defenders grow on trees. Could never play Lever and Doedee in the same side.

The one thing I know about good AFL sides and that is - there is a limit on how many good players you want. Too many is a bad thing. I mean look at those suckers Melbourne. Had two All Australian defenders this year (what a waste!!).

Melbourne bought in both of those defenders

We gave away Keath in comparison

 

[Sanders]

You don't make a 3rd year player the highest paid player on your entire list. That's beyond stupid.

I agree except we hardly put that money to good use.

We made offers to players that didn’t come, and let others continue to leave for better offers

 

[relapse]

Neil resigned before he was sacked.

Highlighting the resign thing feels like a vestige of credit is being given to him

Craig was fantastic for about 18 months (ignoring the horrendous 2005 STK loss).

I remember you once making a great anaolgy where you compared Neil Craig's tenure to an author writing their 2nd book.

Like many other authors it was Craig's inability to create a 2nd book that was his downfall.

 

[Sanders]

Kane says "Where are the goals coming from for the Crows" in the same week Ben King goes down for the Suns.......

You don’t think that’s a fair question?

Tex’s early season form carried us to some early wins, but other than that we struggled to have a winning forward target.

Even if you don’t think we’ll win the spoon, where our goals are coming from seems a reasonable concern

 

[FR0GGY]

You don’t think that’s a fair question?

Tex’s early season form carried us to some early wins, but other than that we struggled to have a winning forward target.

Even if you don’t think we’ll win the spoon, where our goals are coming from seems a reasonable concern

People just see Kane “says”
And automatically think it’s wrong.
From my listening he usually explains his reasons behind his thoughts.

 

[adelaidecrows]

You don’t think that’s a fair question?

Tex’s early season form carried us to some early wins, but other than that we struggled to have a winning forward target.

Even if you don’t think we’ll win the spoon, where our goals are coming from seems a reasonable concern

Absolutely. for once from Kane, I don't think that was a blind attack on our club. More a challenge for the players like Thilthorpe, Himmelberg, McAsey and Frampton to stand up. Tex really hasn't had decent help for years. The next generation needs to stand up. Thats a more than fair call from Kano.

 

[adelaidecrows]

People just see Kane “says”
And automatically think it’s wrong.
From my listening he usually explains his reasons behind his thoughts.

70% of the shit that he says is crap, especially about the Crows. But that 30% can be top shelf stuff. The problem is with Kane, the class difference between the good and the bad is so far apart it really hurts him.

 

[FR0GGY]

70% of the sh*t that he says is crap, especially about the Crows. But that 30% can be top shelf stuff. The problem is with Kane, the class difference between the good and the bad is so far apart it really hurts him.

I don’t listen to his SA segments so I find it the other way around. Most of his stuff is well reasoned and thought out.
He’s not afraid to voice an opinion which is how it should be in the media.

 

[AFC979810]

You don’t think that’s a fair question?

Tex’s early season form carried us to some early wins, but other than that we struggled to have a winning forward target.

Even if you don’t think we’ll win the spoon, where our goals are coming from seems a reasonable concern

Round 1 - our team will not have a single player that has ever kicked more than 25 goals in an AFL season. Where the goals are coming from is a valid question.

Its hard to disparage any opinions that have us finishing bottom. We have been bottom 4 the last two years and are the most inexperienced AFL team in terms of both Age and Games played. Hardly promising.

 

[footy4ever]

What a clown

Though what would you expect from Kane when his football analysis runs as deep as a puddle of water.

We won't be finishing bottom next year, this will be another stupid call from Kane that will come back to bite him.

This ****wit does it on purpose. Rather be spoken ill of than be totally ignored. It’s how he keeps his relevance alive.

 

[Jarman3]

Neil resigned before he was sacked.

Highlighting the resign thing feels like a vestige of credit is being given to him

Craig was fantastic for about 18 months (ignoring the horrendous 2005 STK loss).

That may very well be true, but it's still a fact that he resigned even if it was just jumping before he got pushed. If I'd said he missed finals twice before getting sacked then it would have been outright factually wrong.

 

[AFC3000]

How predictable was it when Sydney announced they would wear South Melbourne tops for games in Vic, that Port Power fans would whinge that they still aren’t allowed to wear Collingwood jumpers against us

I heard all of the "this now gives the Port something to go to the AFL with", "If Sydney can Port can" stuff on 5AA.

They just don't get it, they get to pick one, the black and white, or the vertical stripes, even Eddie McGuire has said they only have to modify the colours and they will be good.

No one else is wearing a white jumper with a red V, Sydney don't have to ask anyone.

We know with Essendon and Richmond, you can have the same design, different colours.

Carlton and Geelong, same colours different design.

And I know even plenty of Crows supporters are sympathetic towards this, and plenty more just want to upset Eddie McGuire, but I look at it like this...

If a Tasmanian team comes into the competition, from their local league with 100 years of history and a creed and whatever else... would I want our club to say nothing if they wanted to wear a blue red and yellow hoop design? Maybe once, maybe twice, sure, but we know that once you've given permission for it to become a regular thing you lose some of the negotiating power and then it becomes twice a year plus special occasions, and then those special occasions become part of the regular schedule, plus new special occasions, hey it's only a few extra games why not all of our away games...

 

[Vader]

To amplify your point, Fitzroy had been using blue/red/yellow for years - but there was never any suggestion of an issue with Adelaide using the same colours, because Adelaide's hoops were a completely different design

Similarly, Gold Coast now use blue/red/gold as their colours - but once again, the designs are sufficiently different that neither the AFC nor AFL have any issues with it at all.

 

[Thetrader15]

A cynic might say this is a convenient extension of a 3 year contract that was front ended to secure a first round compo pick and ensure no matching occurred, and the agreement was actually always a 5 year deal.

FA deals shouldn't be able to be extended / changed until the last year of the contract IMO.

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