Opinion Non-Crows AFL 4: The Centre Cannot Hold

[Scorpus]

I reckon Stengle was a chance to get delisted if he didn't screw up off field given we preferred to play Lachie Murphy over him

 

[1970crow]

Because he was continually getting caught by the police doing it. First drink driving, then having coke and then more pictures leaked to the media after that.

so?

 

[Slippery Pete]

Because he was continually getting caught by the police doing it. First drink driving, then having coke and then more pictures leaked to the media after that.

I never denied he was a problem child, but when he’s a problem child who doesn’t perform at one club, and goes to another club, performs and is no longer a problem child, don’t you have any questions about what the second club has that the first club doesn’t?

 

[Mutineer]

Out of interest, if his on field performances are fine - what does it matter?

Like West Coast did with Ben Cousins, Chris Mainwaring, Chad Fletcher, Daniel Kerr etc?

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[Mutineer]

I never denied he was a problem child, but when he’s a problem child who doesn’t perform at one club, and goes to another club, performs and is no longer a problem child, don’t you have any questions about what the second club has that the first club doesn’t?

Eddie Betts kept him on the straight and narrow here, no surprise Betts is now at Geelong and Stengle is living with the Betts family I think I read somewhere?

 

[Grooster24]

Reckon Hardwick is a bit like Pyke and Craig in that they found a way to play and win (except that Hardwicks method stood up when it mattered)

But when that style of play doesn’t produce anymore, there’s nothing left in the bag of tricks.

And if you recall their games style actually changed due to necessity that first year as they had some major injuries, especially in their forward 50. Hardwick to a degree lucked into it... Big Time

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Because he was continually getting caught by the police doing it. First drink driving, then having coke and then more pictures leaked to the media after that.

Not a great look when you are rebuilding a young team.

We gave him oodles of chances to clean up his act, including a final one he chose not to take.

Many still think this is about his talent, but it was about someone impacting on our culture, which we are rebuilding after self-destructing.

 

[hey shorty]

right on queue. You're such a dimwit. We won 15 games and lost 7 from memory. You ignore the 7 even thought it's those kind of games that will be repeated when sh*t gets real late in the year.

Our midfield flopped in those games, makes it hard for a forward half.

You're one of the weirder posters on here, it's like you've got 2 modes. Reasonable and full on flog

 

[MRB37]

I never denied he was a problem child, but when he’s a problem child who doesn’t perform at one club, and goes to another club, performs and is no longer a problem child, don’t you have any questions about what the second club has that the first club doesn’t?

Maybe being dumped by us and having to spend the year in the SANFL where got him to clean up his act like we hoped it would if he had of take that option for us? Suddenly realising you gotta work a regular 9-5 as well as playing football and taking a massive paycut on top of all that makes a guy realize he's blowing a chance of a life-time.

And he gets to have Betts look after him again, which he seems to need as well.

 

[Scorpus]

I never denied he was a problem child, but when he’s a problem child who doesn’t perform at one club, and goes to another club, performs and is no longer a problem child, don’t you have any questions about what the second club has that the first club doesn’t?

It's possible he simply just didn't get the message until we sacked him

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Eddie Betts kept him on the straight and narrow here, no surprise Betts is now at Geelong and Stengle is living with the Betts family I think I read somewhere?

Yes, needs to be babysat... which the Cats with their list are in a better position to do.

 

[hey shorty]

Out of interest, if his on field performances are fine - what does it matter?

I mean they weren't with us were they ??

And when they aren't great, getting caught doing something like that in public isn't gonna end well.

 

[hey shorty]

It's possible he simply just didn't get the message until we sacked him

2 clubs were aware of his issues and was discarded by both.

We even offered him a chance to stay.

 

[1970crow]

Eddie Betts kept him on the straight and narrow here, no surprise Betts is now at Geelong and Stengle is living with the Betts family I think I read somewhere?

We're a multi-million $ business, we couldn't have supported him after Betts left? It's like the Vince/Goodwin relationship again. Each of his indiscretions were when the club wasn't training. The DUI was in COVID lockdown and the cocaine issues at end of year. And one was courtesy of degenerate mates. To me that screams a solveable problem. But we chose to go another way. And if you think that only Brad Crouch and Tyson Stengle were the only AFC players racking up lines like they're going out of business then I've got a bridge to sell you.

 

[hey shorty]

We're a multi-million $ business, we couldn't have supported him after Betts left? It's like the Vince/Goodwin relationship again. Each of his indiscretions were when the club wasn't training. The DUI was in COVID lockdown and the cocaine issues at end of year. And one was courtesy of degenerate mates. To me that screams a solveable problem. But we chose to go another way. And if you think that only Brad Crouch and Tyson Stengle were the only AFC players racking up lines like they're going out of business then I've got a bridge to sell you.

Again, the only ones stupid enough to get caught.

And even then we offered him a chance to play with our SANFL squad.

 

[TRP1996]

So, we're all lauding Paddy McCartin for making his way back to the AFL and everything but, like... what if he gets another head knock? Will he... be okay?

Also, didn't he try to full-on punch someone on-field last year?

 

[hey shorty]

So, we're all lauding Paddy McCartin for making his way back to the AFL and everything but, like... what if he gets another head knock? Will he... be okay?

Also, didn't he try to full-on punch someone on-field last year?

Didn't try.... Did.

 

[1970crow]

Our midfield flopped in those games, makes it hard for a forward half.

You're one of the weirder posters on here, it's like you've got 2 modes. Reasonable and full on flog

Nah, check the stats, we were never beaten badly in terms of clearances and contested possessions.

 

[hey shorty]

Nah, check the stats, we were never beaten badly in terms of clearances and contested possessions.

The problem with that was, and still is... The purity of said clearance. Lots of stationary hacks forward.

 

[TubbsFarquhar]

The good Berg playing a ripper so far.

 

[arrowman]

It's possible he simply just didn't get the message until we sacked him

Yes. We go softer on him because (potential) talent, he doesn't get the message, potential not realised. We go hard, he refuses the offer... reality bites. Maybe it sucks that Geelong are the beneficiaries (assuming he stays on the straight & narrow), but that's not a reason to assume we shouldn't have done what we did, in a genuine effort to straighten him out.

 

[GROTTO]

Yes. We go softer on him because (potential) talent, he doesn't get the message, potential not realised. We go hard, he refuses the offer... reality bites. Maybe it sucks that Geelong are the beneficiaries (assuming he stays on the straight & narrow), but that's not a reason to assume we shouldn't have done what we did, in a genuine effort to straighten him out.

He will likely never acknowledge it, but us sacking him could potentially have saved his life.

He was likely going down a dark path if he stayed and continued with his lifestyle.

 

[Mr_Moogle]

I supported it at the time but the decision to push Stengle out is not aging well. The fact we essentially replaced him with Rowe, who looks unlikely to have a long AFL career, also adds a bit of salt to the wound.

 

[hey shorty]

I supported it at the time but the decision to push Stengle out is not aging well. The fact we essentially replaced him with Rowe, who looks unlikely to have a long AFL career, also adds a bit of salt to the wound.

We've probably replaced him with Rachele to be honest

Rowe's career to date is similar to what Tyson produced with us.

 

[Mutineer]

I supported it at the time but the decision to push Stengle out is not aging well. The fact we essentially replaced him with Rowe, who looks unlikely to have a long AFL career, also adds a bit of salt to the wound.

Too early to make that call

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