Opinion Non-Crows AFL 4: The Centre Cannot Hold

[chrisso crow]

I don't think he's that good.

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He's very much an outside player who every good team needs, they are just more reliant on their team being good to be able to play well as their team mates get the ball out to them.

 

[chrisso crow]

Don't for a second think the court supervisors have solved anything.

The state of umpiring basketball in South Australia needs improvement and has for a while. Too many umpires do not understand basic travelling rules, particularly with pivoting and stepthrough moves. Foul calls are too inconsistent for each team with the two umpires at each end having different interpretations. Leading to player frustration.

A lot of court supervisors aren't visible enough around the courts too. Most of the time if there's a complaint they'll blindly back the umpire. It's good to back in staff members at times, but they won't want to hear the constructive side and help the umpire improve. Therefore, it just goes round and round in circles with the focus on player acceptance as opposed to constructive improvement of decisions. I've had some scenarios when the court supervisor hasn't understood basic FIBA rules.

My experiences are from a players perspective and I'm not sure what happens behind the scenes with court supervisors and feedback to umpires. I assume there's something in place.

I think BasketballSA have the right processes on paper. The green shirt system for ref training is good, in theory a court supervisor should work. Unfortunately the clientele in the supervisor roles, in my experiences, isn't at the level it needs to be.

I can only comment on stadiums that my kids are involved in (they both ref), and they regularly have umpire coaches at games in addition to the court supervisors. I'm talking high level, NBL/WNBL and in some cases Olympic referee's.

There are always going to be different levels of abilities for umpires in all sports, and always a shortage to go around. You also have to remember that with fouls, refs can often be blocked by players to see some contact. This is one of the first thing my boys noticed when they began their reffing careers and then understood as players why some calls are missed.

Also remember their are multiple courts going at once and only one supervisor so they cannot watch every game.

I'm a bit defensive of refs/umpires, all 4 in my family are involved in numerous sports as officials.

 

[chrisso crow]

I need a lesson in this one too. After watching NBA and then watching other leagues, I’ve never been able to figure it out

NBA has different rules to FIBA (international basketball) which is why the USA team can be vulnerable to an early loss in big tournaments.

 

[Slippery Pete]

NBA doesn't use FIBA rules which is the common international ruleset. It's why you sometimes see confused NBA players at the Olympics.

So in the NBA you can basically travel, is that the gist of it?

Edit: chrisso crow for you too

 

[chrisso crow]

Refusing to sign up and gets a punishment?

I don't think he's that great anyway, another massively overrated one down there.

Isn't this the same thing Jackson Trengove went through when he was known to be going to WB?

 

[GreyCrow]

So in the NBA you can basically travel, is that the gist of it?

Edit: chrisso crow for you too

Lebron can , rookies can't

 

[chrisso crow]

So in the NBA you can basically travel, is that the gist of it?

Edit: chrisso crow for you too

NBA rules are to designed make the game more of a spectacle to my knowledge, but I don't know the ins-and-outs of it.

They'd rather have someone travel and do a huge dunk than follow the proper rules.

 

[Slippery Pete]

NBA rules are to designed make the game more of a spectacle to my knowledge, but I don't know the ins-and-outs of it.

They'd rather have someone travel and do a huge dunk than follow the proper rules.

Me too

 

[rocket18]

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Sorry to be that guy, I know Amon is the top one, who is the bottom one?

Obviously someone who Kenny has kept in the team over Amon but who?

 

[skam85]

Sorry to be that guy, I know Amon is the top one, who is the bottom one?

Obviously someone who Kenny has kept in the team over Amon but who?

That would be the superstar Trent Dumont

 

[rocket18]

Rumour going around that he has informed PAFC of his intentions to request move to Saints and is the reason he has been dropped.

Amon has grown tired of the toxic supporter culture at Port Adelaide.

Just change the first bit to say "It's my understanding that he has informed PAFC of his intentions blah blah blah"

You will then be eligible for a job at Crocoshit Media.

 

[StickerMan]

Just change the first bit to say "It's my understanding that he has informed PAFC of his intentions blah blah blah"

You will then be eligible for a job at Crocoshit Media.

Is that you Caro? LOL

 

[George CantStandYa]

Adam Simpson "Port are the best 0-5 team ever". He's a classic.

If Port don't win this by 10 goals they should give the points back

 

[beartoo]

Someone start a basketball thread will ya?

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[Enviable Tradition]

Is crossing your arms and staring allowed?

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Finally a use for the power stance!

 

[GROTTO]

Finally a use for the power stance!

At least it got us to a Grand Final.

We led at QT and down by less than 2 goals at HT in it.

 

[dogs105]

So in the NBA you can basically travel, is that the gist of it?

Edit: chrisso crow for you too

Only if you dunk. Lay it up, and they'll call you.

 

[BRL121]

More pathetic media: Luke Dunstan

27

Luke Dunstan

Age

30

Ht

185cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

20.7

5star

K

10.1

4star

HB

10.6

5star

M

3.3

3star

T

4.8

5star

CL

4.4

5star

D

21.0

5star

K

13.0

5star

HB

8.0

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

9.0

5star

CL

2.0

4star

D

18.2

5star

K

6.0

3star

HB

12.2

5star

M

2.4

3star

T

6.2

5star

CL

4.2

5star

and Jack Silvagni

3

Jack Silvagni

Age

28

Ht

194cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.0

3star

K

7.1

3star

HB

3.8

3star

M

3.8

4star

T

2.9

4star

MG

176.9

3star

D

5.3

1star

K

4.0

1star

HB

1.3

1star

M

1.7

2star

T

0.7

1star

MG

91.0

2star

D

9.2

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

3.0

3star

M

3.4

4star

T

2.8

5star

MG

131.4

3star

both referred to as "stars" in this week's in-outs.
Perhaps we need to redefine our discussions of elites?

 

[jo172]

Finally a use for the power stance!

Power stance didn’t have any arm crossing, but a point well taken.

There’s a thread somewhere here after the 2017 PF calling it genius. Fine line sometimes

 

[AdvancedCrowbot]

I can only comment on stadiums that my kids are involved in (they both ref), and they regularly have umpire coaches at games in addition to the court supervisors. I'm talking high level, NBL/WNBL and in some cases Olympic referee's.

There are always going to be different levels of abilities for umpires in all sports, and always a shortage to go around. You also have to remember that with fouls, refs can often be blocked by players to see some contact. This is one of the first thing my boys noticed when they began their reffing careers and then understood as players why some calls are missed.

Also remember their are multiple courts going at once and only one supervisor so they cannot watch every game.

I'm a bit defensive of refs/umpires, all 4 in my family are involved in numerous sports as officials.

Good to hear the level of coaching going on. I've found that NBL1 (what I like to refer to as ABA) umpires are a decent standard and particularly are much better at calling offensive fouls as opposed to always calling blocking.

I will say the higher levels of umpiring are decent in SA.

As for the supervisors, I've seen them sitting in their offices chilling more often than not. This is in inner south/west stadiums. Maybe they have a stack of paperwork, I don't know.

Good on your family for supporting local sport. It sounds like they're not the 'need improvement' types I'm referring to.

 

[CrowsB4hoes]

Apparantly this is an okay post if the suspension is for hitting an umpire

 

[pjcrows]

Chris Scott

Chris Scott

Age

49

Ht

182cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.6

4star

K

11.2

4star

HB

5.4

4star

M

5.1

5star

T

1.6

4star

G

0.4

3star

No current season stats available

D

13.2

4star

K

10.2

4star

HB

3.0

3star

M

2.2

3star

T

2.8

5star

G

0.4

3star

: "Most of the time when I'm really over the top in the box, it's in reaction to something positive".

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Apparantly this is an okay post if the suspension is for hitting an umpire

5 goal return?

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Chris Scott: "Most of the time when I'm really over the top in the box, it's in reaction to something positive".

His brother should suspend him for dissenting umpire decisions & sending a poor message.

 

[GameofSloanes]

They haven’t lost anyone yet….

Geez ladhams would be handy this year.....