Opinion Non-Crows AFL 9

[jimvic]

He still may cost the Pies a flag...

now that would make me laugh

 

[Checksider]

We aren't holding anyone hostage, it is how free agency works.

He is a restricted free agent, that means we can match an offer put to him, then it is up to the player if he stays with the club, a trade is made or he can choose to go into the draft and end up wherever someone takes him.

GWS matched Geelong's free agency bid for Cameron, despite getting band one compensation, and they eventually did a trade. It isn't guaranteed to work in our favour if we match, we could end up getting nothing if he goes into the draft.

But you don’t get to know what the compensation will be if the player walks. That’s the part in question.

However we all know how the AFL works. Since you’re a Victorian club they’ll no doubt tell you on the sly at a Docklands cafe, and it’ll be another first round priority pick donation from the league.

 

[Geoffa32]

Writing off Brisbane completely?

Yep based on their record at the G. And the record of non Vic teams winning the GF against Vic teams.


WCE winning in 2018 was a massive achievement.

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[Mostyn]

But you don’t get to know what the compensation will be if the player walks. That’s the part in question.

However we all know how the AFL works. Since you’re a Victorian club they’ll no doubt tell you on the sly at a Docklands cafe, and it’ll be another first round priority pick donation from the league.

I actually think clubs CAN ask the AFL about what compo will be received from a submitted contract.

I'm not gonna dig up the links, but that's been mentioned recently in some articles.

 

[Checksider]

I actually think clubs CAN ask the AFL about what compo will be received from a submitted contract.

I'm not gonna dig up the links, but that's been mentioned recently in some articles.

If so then I stand corrected.

 

[Peter Doherty]

In isolation the Power got a good deal for JHF.

What is interesting is there's talk they will need to trade their future first for a couple of '23 second rounders. Use these picks for Sweet/BZT/Ratagulea.

Unless they can bring in a first next year, which would require losing a decent player, (Butters) they will go 3 years without using a first rounder at the draft. Granted one of those years they brought in a JHF who was a no. 1 the prior year.

They could be entering the draft in the late 30s at the earliest, 3 years in a row.

It feels a little like a snooker player losing position on a shot, then it has a flow on effect on the next few shots they play.

 

[PeterSalt]

In isolation the Power got a good deal for JHF.

What is interesting is there's talk they will need to trade their future first for a couple of '23 second rounders. Use these picks for Sweet/BZT/Ratagulea.

Unless they can bring in a first next year, which would require losing a decent player, (Butters) they will go 3 years without using a first rounder at the draft. Granted one of those years they brought in a JHF who was a no. 1 the prior year.

They could be entering the draft in the late 30s at the earliest, 3 years in a row.

It feels a little like a snooker player losing position on a shot, then it has a flow on effect on the next few shots they play.

We should get in on that deal. I doubt they'll finish 5th again next year. I could easily see them finishing in the 7-12 range

 

[Peter Doherty]

We should get in on that deal. I doubt they'll finish 5th again next year. I could easily see them finishing in the 7-12 range

Oh jesus, holding the Power's first rounder, the ultimate death ride.

 

[Peter Doherty]

2022
1st rd:
2nd rd: 36 Tom McCallum

2023
1st rd:
2nd rd: 38, will they need to trade it?

2024 (assume they finish 4th)
1st rd:
2nd rd: 33

Yeah JHF is a great pick up and a lot of water to go under the bridge as far as their '24 draft position, but this could be where they are starting at.

 

[DJ75]

I have a couple of questions I'm hoping people can help with (I have no idea how to find this type of information).

1. There were more than a few weird votes allocated on Brownlow night. Has anyone looked at who was umpiring these games? Is there a common factor?
2. Stevic is about to umpire his 10th GF. I'm wondering if there is a way of seeing the basic stats of Vic V non-Vic free kick counts in finals games he has umpired. Even better would be his personal record of what he has paid, but I imagine that is impossible to be found.

 

[SugarShane]

How hilarious would it be if the pies win and Big Bustling Billy has one of his rare blinders of a game like he did against the Dogs last year…

And wins a Norm Smith!

30 touches off half back. 10 intercept marks. 8 score involvements. Rotates between pantsing Hipwood and Daniher.

Make it happen big Bill!

 

[Sanders]

We aren't holding anyone hostage, it is how free agency works.

He is a restricted free agent, that means we can match an offer put to him, then it is up to the player if he stays with the club, a trade is made or he can choose to go into the draft and end up wherever someone takes him.

GWS matched Geelong's free agency bid for Cameron, despite getting band one compensation, and they eventually did a trade. It isn't guaranteed to work in our favour if we match, we could end up getting nothing if he goes into the draft.

As long as you don’t pick him back up in the PSD do what you like

If you do pick him in the psd all hell will rain down

 

[GreyCrow]

The last 2 posts fit neatly into a thought I had

Who thinks all Norm Smith winners have been deserving?

So why do we think a panel for the Brownlow will not have the same problems

 

[jenny61_99]

The last 2 posts fit neatly into a thought I had

Who thinks all Norm Smith winners have been deserving?

So why do we think a panel for the Brownlow will not have the same problems

If you make it a panel of all current coaches... and they vote their 3,2,1 after they've reviewed the game... could that work?

 

[Slippery Pete]

The last 2 posts fit neatly into a thought I had

Who thinks all Norm Smith winners have been deserving?

So why do we think a panel for the Brownlow will not have the same problems

There’s more than enough footy awards in this country decided by panels of low-IQ dickheads.

Leave the Brownlow to the umpires. Like the concept or not (and I’m as critical of umpires as anyone) it’s a point of difference and it’s tradition.

And those things matter.

 

[Slippery Pete]

If you make it a panel of all current coaches... and they vote their 3,2,1 after they've reviewed the game... could that work?

No, the coaches can’t be trusted to put any inherent bias aside.

You might argue the umpires can’t either. But we put them in charge of deciding the outcomes of matches, so if they’re biased, I think we’ve got bigger f*cking problems than the Brownlow medal.

 

[jenny61_99]

No, the coaches can’t be trusted to put any inherent bias aside.

You might argue the umpires can’t either. But we put them in charge of deciding the outcomes of matches, so if they’re biased, I think we’ve got bigger f*cking problems than the Brownlow medal.

SO what if... they can't vote on their game? They have to review a different game (of the team they play the following week perhaps, so it's homework as well)?

 

[Scorpus]

The solution to Brownlow voting is to improve the quality of umpires

 

[Crow till I die]

The solution to Brownlow voting is to improve the quality of umpires

Why not link the coaches votes with the umpires votes ad get an overall vote for each game played?

 

[jenny61_99]

The solution to Brownlow voting is to improve the quality of umpires

Well there's always that... but NO, the AFL just adds more shit ones to the mix.... like that'll fix the problem...

 

[Mr_Moogle]

The solution to Brownlow voting is to improve the quality of umpires

How could they achieve this? Pay them more and make it a full time profession? The thought of paying them more makes me want to vomit but the allure of more money should attract more talent.

 

[DJ75]

How could they achieve this? Pay them more and make it a full time profession? The thought of paying them more makes me want to vomit but the allure of more money should attract more talent.

More money = full time.
Move the umpires to SA and have them use the SANFL as their talent pathway.
Would be great for everyone.

 

[Scorpus]

How could they achieve this? Pay them more and make it a full time profession? The thought of paying them more makes me want to vomit but the allure of more money should attract more talent.

Umpires need multiple skills to be selected when really it should be simplified into only needing to be a good decision maker

It's clear the AFL elevates umpires who can bounce the ball well. Get rid of it. Only pick decision makers

It's also clear the AFL requires umpires to be a certain level of fitness, which is actually a pretty high level of fitness. The AFL also requires umpires to run around all day on the field which is certain to reduce their mental ability over the course of the match. Both of these aspects should be drastically cut back to improve the mental performance of umpires and to allow selecting elite decision makers who are less fit.

I think when the sport generates billions of dollars the umpires should be full time. Just sack a few of those pointless overpaid executives.

I also believe that it's possible to have umpires assisted by a video umpire to a more significant degree, someone who watches the match from a box, who could then also vote on the Brownlow and provide a different perspective

 

[GreyCrow]

Umpiring by committee eg x3 or 4 doesnt work because the natural tendency is to not stick your head up for scrutiny. Best to put the whistle away and let someone else do it

I liked the 1 and 2 umpire system - but I also recognise the pace of the game has killed the 1 umpire method and may be too much for 2

 

[Slippery Pete]

The biggest issue I have with the Brownlow is that it’s exclusively a midfielders award.

How you fix that, I have no idea.