Opinion Non-Crows AFL 9

[Vader]

I would back Fog, he has one of the best goal shot accuracy in the AFL.

Not in 2023 he didn't - 34 goals 23 behinds is nothing to write home about.

His accuracy from 2018-20 was amazing - 26 goals 5 behinds.
His accuracy in 2022 was pretty good - 33 goals 14 behinds.

In 2023? His accuracy was middle of the pack, and no better. He kicked some incredible set shots this year, but he also missed a lot of short range gimmes.

** Those numbers are for all scoring shots, not just set shots.

 

[spenze]

So has Tubby requested a move or not?

 

[TubbsFarquhar]

So has Tubby requested a move or not?

Who told you?!

 

[GROTTO]

Not in 2023 he didn't - 34 goals 23 behinds is nothing to write home about.

His accuracy from 2018-20 was amazing - 26 goals 5 behinds.
His accuracy in 2022 was pretty good - 33 goals 14 behinds.

In 2023? His accuracy was middle of the pack, and no better. He kicked some incredible set shots this year, but he also missed a lot of short range gimmes.

** Those numbers are for all scoring shots, not just set shots.

Still ranked 6th of all current players in the AFL with a minimum of 50 scoring shots.

You can continue youre hatred of him because he made you look foolish, but my belief is still correct. One year does not change anything, thats still around 60% which is well above AFL average.

 

[Vader]

Still ranked 6th of all current players in the AFL with a minimum of 50 scoring shots.

Down from 1st a few years ago.

His goal kicking accuracy was outstanding in the past, and as recently as 2022 it was exceptional. 2023 was a relatively poor year, particularly by his high standards.

You can continue youre hatred of him because he made you look foolish, but my belief is still correct. One year does not change anything, thats still around 60% which is well above AFL average.

I don't hate him now, an never hated him - despite what you may think. As for making me look foolish - he improved by doing the things I said he needed to work on (plus seeing a shrink, which I didn't identify as a need - but neither did any of the BF ignorentsia). How does that make me look foolish?

 

[feenix67]

How does that make me look foolish?

Because you wear a silly mask and talk funny.

 

[hippyhippy]

He is on a huge contract, taking him out of their list would be a huge salary cap relief for Port.

On their board, they suggested a 2nd rounder. I wouldnt even pay that, as Port benefit the most by losing him given his output recently and the progress in the midfield by Butters, Rozee and JHF.

Port are really good at trading out players that are cooked ... but sometimes they trade in cooked players too...

 

[Zzzuuuppp]

Not in 2023 he didn't - 34 goals 23 behinds is nothing to write home about.

His accuracy from 2018-20 was amazing - 26 goals 5 behinds.
His accuracy in 2022 was pretty good - 33 goals 14 behinds.

In 2023? His accuracy was middle of the pack, and no better. He kicked some incredible set shots this year, but he also missed a lot of short range gimmes.

** Those numbers are for all scoring shots, not just set shots.

Oh Christ, here we go again!

 

[baldandbroke]

As for making me look foolish - he improved by doing the things I said he needed to work on (plus seeing a shrink, which I didn't identify as a need - but neither did any of the BF ignorentsia). How does that make me look foolish?

No Vader. No no no no.

You wanted him out.

You wanted him gone from the squad.

You thought he couldn't improve.

That he was never going to be AFL standard.

You said he'd had enough time to show more.

That is why you looked ... and look foolish.

You need to actually just say that you were WRONG, completely WRONG in every way when it comes to Fog.

 

[GROTTO]

No Vader. No no no no.

You wanted him out.

You wanted him gone from the squad.

You thought he couldn't improve.

That he was never going to be AFL standard.

You said he'd had enough time to show more.

That is why you looked ... and look foolish.

You need to actually just say that you were WRONG, completely WRONG in every way when it comes to Fog.

100% agree here.



Pretty clear from the Fog thread, that Vader has been against him from the get go.

Player Watch - Darcy Fogarty - Re-Signed to End of 2031

Not necessarily. We are more likely to make the finals if we spread the load & have multiple fire-power up front. Ie. 2x 40+ goal kickers 3 x 30+ goal kickers I'd say we are more likely to make finals if Soligo improves again on his first stellar year, Berry gets even better, Shoenberg gets...

www.bigfooty.com

 

[FR0GGY]

You need to actually just say that you were WRONG, completely WRONG in every way when it comes to Fog.

More chance of Vader missing the next cruise.

 

[dogs105]

Travis Boak

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Travis Boak

Age

36

Ht

183cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

23.7

5star

K

11.6

4star

HB

12.0

5star

M

3.7

4star

T

4.4

5star

CL

4.6

5star

D

22.0

5star

K

11.0

4star

HB

11.0

5star

M

2.4

3star

T

4.4

5star

CL

4.9

5star

D

16.4

4star

K

7.4

3star

HB

9.0

5star

M

5.4

5star

T

2.4

4star

re-signed. Good bloke.

 

[Eagleboy2011]

Always a pleasure dealing with Essendon.

‘Not worth a fifth-round pick’: Dons’ huge asking price for defender grilled as Port forced to get creative

‘Of all the dumb things I’ve heard...’: HUGE asking price for departing Bomber slammed

www.foxsports.com.au

 

[GrommoT]

Wines has requested a trade to Geelong! There’s the currency to trade all the other Missing Pieces™ in

Jackpot!

 

[whattagun07]

If there's a club I'd love to see screwed over by Essendon and dodoro, it's Port.
Hopefully this gets entertaining

 

[daniel_4tw]

Oh Essendon. Their team is full of first round draft picks based on the ask of leaving players. With that much talent, why can’t they win a final in 20 years?

 

[Southerntakeover]

Not in 2023 he didn't - 34 goals 23 behinds is nothing to write home about.

His accuracy from 2018-20 was amazing - 26 goals 5 behinds.
His accuracy in 2022 was pretty good - 33 goals 14 behinds.

In 2023? His accuracy was middle of the pack, and no better. He kicked some incredible set shots this year, but he also missed a lot of short range gimmes.

** Those numbers are for all scoring shots, not just set shots.

We've gone beyond the dog returning to its own vomit at this point. You've processed eating that, and are rolling around in the result.

 

[Southerntakeover]

Down from 1st a few years ago.

His goal kicking accuracy was outstanding in the past, and as recently as 2022 it was exceptional. 2023 was a relatively poor year, particularly by his high standards.

I don't hate him now, an never hated him - despite what you may think. As for making me look foolish - he improved by doing the things I said he needed to work on (plus seeing a shrink, which I didn't identify as a need - but neither did any of the BF ignorentsia). How does that make me look foolish?

God you're full of it.

Do you want me to go get the quotes again? You know they're there, why bother lying?

What amuses me, reading this thread, are all the calls for Himmelberg to be dropped - but so few calling for Fogarty's head. Don't get me wrong - Himmelberg was awful, and definitely deserves to be dropped - but Fogarty was equally revolting. Both of these players are absolutely deplorable, and so far off being AFL standard that it's not funny, yet only one of them is singled out for "fire him into the sun" type comments.

I don't want to keep either of them, but given the choice - it's Himmelberg over Frampton, every day of the week, and twice on game day.

In Fogarty, Billy & Berg we have 3 donkeys, none of whom have a long term future at AFL level. The tragedy is that we can't replace them all at the same time, and TT is our only other KPF under the age of 30. It's a diabolical situation that we find ourselves in.

Given the lack of alternatives, it's likely that we will be forced to select some of them for far more games than their talent actually justifies (I'd argue all 3 are already past that marker)... but they should/will all be replaced as soon as it is possible for us to do so.

If a player shows no signs of improvement after 4 years and 34 games, there's a reasonably good expectation that improvement will not be forthcoming.

 

[StonesThrow]

It is annoying that fog couldn't keep up that strike rate. I always felt like it would happen.

 

[Multiballz]

It is annoying that fog couldn't keep up that strike rate. I always felt like it would happen.

Im sure he carried injury this year, which saw him overcompensate to get power behind his kick.
His usually perfect technique was so obviously affected, theres no other explaination IMO. Something so honed doesnt just develop lasting flaws over night.
Reckon a fit Fog gets back to that strike rate.

 

[baldandbroke]

I was sure Pyke was a senior coach somewhere?

 

[PeterSalt]

I was sure Pyke was a senior coach somewhere?

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Senior assistant to Longmire at Sydney

This isn't new news. This was first reported to be happening in the first or second week of finals.

And was reported it won't be happening until the end of next season


Edit: maybe that's changed?

 

[baldandbroke]

Senior assistant to Longmire at Sydney

This isn't new news. This was first reported to be happening in the first or second week of finals.

And was reported it won't be happening until the end of next season


Edit: maybe that's changed?

I was referring to Adelaide.

 

[BRL121]

Im sure he carried injury this year, which saw him overcompensate to get power behind his kick.
His usually perfect technique was so obviously affected, theres no other explaination IMO. Something so honed doesnt just develop lasting flaws over night.
Reckon a fit Fog gets back to that strike rate.

I started to pick when he was going to miss. I think it was mainly in the head: sometimes he just didn't apply his technique and hurried to take the shot, missing most of the time.

 

[MarcusP2]

I was referring to Adelaide.

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They never list two former things though.