OC Phantom Draft

[thegreatdil]

i dont agree with port's pick i doubt port would pass on Naitanui if he drops to our pick. i hope he doesnt drop to us coz i really want hamish hartlett

 

[Spitz]

Heyne and Tom Swift.... If only.


Would be close to best case scenario.

 

[Kaladin Stormblessed]

Good effort. I agree with you about Cordy in that he might be available for the Dogs to take with their second pick.

The reason for this being that there is some great talent at the top end with 25 odd players genuinely in contention for the first round. That means there will be significant variations as to who is rated where amongst different recruiters (after the top 8 or so players) so I don't think any club in the second half of the first round (picks 10-17) would be willing to risk taking Cordy with their first round as there would be a serious chance that a player they rate in the top 10 will slip to them due to the amount of highly rated youngsters (unless they rated Cordy in the top 8 themselves). That means Doggies would be able to snap him up with their second rounder.

Lucky Dogs I guess.

 

[OrangeCutter]

Sorry about the wrong first names guys, at work and trying to push through them yesterday.

 

[OrangeCutter]

Nice read. Since you are drafting for needs in a lot of cases, I would
have to disagree with sydney and hawks selections.
Sydney could use a classy small forward and mid, but they are desperate
to replace Leo at FB, Hall at FF and Spida in the ruck.
Hawks could use the ball carriers you picked but first priority is a KP
back.
Good writeup on the players. Like many others, can't see NickNat
dropping that much.

Hmmm Sydney are very confident in there young ruckman, but I do agree to some extent that it will be a requirement, it just depends on how others step up LRT, Grundy, Richards etc:

I just didn't see a FB worth picking at those picks, like I said they should pray Trengove falls but I doubt it.


I think we may see a lot of talls go earlier in this draft with quality mids still left in the second and third rounds!

 

[McLean_4_Captain]

Agree about Vickery but disagree about Jetta. I think he will be in the mix for the late 1st round/PP area. Exciting, small forward with a bit of toe who can kick goals. Prototype FP who is exactly what we need.

Forward pockets are generally not rated very highly. Hawthorn had the luxury of taking Rioli early last year because they believed that was their greatest need.

West Coast have a lot more deficiencies then Hawthorn and they have much greater needs to fill then a forward pocket.

Don't forget that plenty of small forwards taken early end up being duds, ie Sampi. And plenty of small forwards are developed as rookies or late picks, Aaron Davey was a rookie, Wonaemirri was a rookie, Alwyn Davey was a 3rd round pick i think.

I wouldn't use anything earlier then a 3rd round pick on him, which is every chance he'll still be a available then because of the depth of the draft.

 

[The Hulkster]

Well done for actually providing some explanations for your selections rather than a wishy washy list of players. A good effort.

 

[coasting]

West Coast have a lot more deficiencies then Hawthorn

Disagree. Sure we are playing crap at the moment but the Eagles have a lot of talented young footballers (many who are not playing at the moment) who will be the foundation of their next premiership tilt - even without the draft picks coming up.

In any event, I see Jetta as more than just a FP. I think he can play up the ground and I'm sure he has been playing on a wing in the WAFL.

 

[tassie docker]

Good effort mate, was a good read, but one thing....

i cant see fremantle winning enough games to make us miss out on a priority selection at the end of the first round with melbourne and west coast - i think we will only beat west coast in the derby and that will be it for the year(4 wins)......not that i dont want to win, but we will snatch defeat from the jaws of victory a few more times before the season is over

 

[Pivo]

Geelong - Aaron Cornelius
No real holes in there side so they will go for best available which I think is Aaron, he might be a genuine KF or might be a third tall but has great hands and loads of talent, will develop and be part of a new look cats fwd line after Mooney and Ottens retire, no to say Ottens is a exclusive fwd atm though.

Geelong - Kade Carey
One out of the hat here. 24 years old huge Forward who played in the EDFL this year. Had some issues when he was younger and has matured now though. Just signed with Geelong VFL to play finals with them if they make it. Ready made player who kicked 10 goals in a combined match this year. Seriously wouldn’t surprise me if he was picked up but probably not this early, seeing this is how far my phantom draft goes I decided to chuck him in.

First up - good on you for doing this and giving the reasons for your selections.

However, as a Geelong supporter I would be pretty disappointed if Geelong went this way.

The Cats list has Mooney, Lonergan, Scott Simpson, Hawkins and possibly Nathan Ablett (and Dan McKenna could potentially go forward as well) as tall forwards.

I don't think they'll be looking at adding two more forwards to the list.

With Scarlett, Milburn and Harley are being at the "older" end of the scale and with some doubt lingering over how well Egan will come back I think the Cats will need to find a key position backman - I'm thinking Lisle or Trengove - as well as a small-medium running half back with good skills.

Just my opinion though.

 

[OrangeCutter]

First up - good on you for doing this and giving the reasons for your selections.

However, as a Geelong supporter I would be pretty disappointed if Geelong went this way.

The Cats list has Mooney, Lonergan, Scott Simpson, Hawkins and possibly Nathan Ablett (and Dan McKenna could potentially go forward as well) as tall forwards.

I don't think they'll be looking at adding two more forwards to the list.

With Scarlett, Milburn and Harley are being at the "older" end of the scale and with some doubt lingering over how well Egan will come back I think the Cats will need to find a key position backman - I'm thinking Lisle or Trengove - as well as a small-medium running half back with good skills.

Just my opinion though.

Fair call, like I said with Carey just wanted to throw him in there, understand what your saying about key defenders, just not sure if Lisle is a 1st round pick thats all.

 

[SOT4]

Swift is WAY too low. If availiable at Essendon's 2nd pick I expect us to take him. But I can see him going late 1st round, at worst a PP range to WC or Melbourne. Essendon's picks are just awful. Naituai will go to Freo at no3. Hartlett will go to Essendon or Port (Hurley will go to the other one). If we don't get Hartlett, Ziebell is a better fit to us than Sidebottom. Sorry just do not agree with any of Essendon's picks in this phantom draft. Good try though.

How can you criticise his effort when you've been shown to have never seen any of them play? Seems odd.

 

[Jimmy_the_Gent]

Lol, how many midfielders do you want? Kerr, Masten, Priddis, Butler, McNamara + Rich

If we take Rich we will have more than enough midfielders. We need a genuine goalsneak and we haven't looked as dangerous up forward since matera and sampi were up and going.

Premierships are build on awesome midfeilds and therefore I want as many mids as possible.

If you think that our current midfield plus Rich is enough, you're deluded. Our current midfield has us second last and even if we have enough midfielders there's nowhere near enough quality.

I agree that we need a goal sneak but those guys are icing on the cake and we can pick one up later in the draft, or after we assemble a team that can actually get the ball to the forwards.

Now I know you're going to say that our midfield is young and that in 2 or 3 years Masten and Ebert and whoever else are going to be far better but just so you know, by then Embley and Stenglein will be worse and Braun will be long gone.

 

[pw15]

How can you criticise his effort when you've been shown to have never seen any of them play? Seems odd.

don't understand why you would single out b1. Most of the posters doing there phantom drafts have never seen or only once seen the guys play. They only read it on bf and become an expert. Wouldn't take much notice of what is being said in July anyway

 

[coasting]

Premierships are build on awesome midfeilds and therefore I want as many mids as possible.

Thats a misnomer. Premierships are won by great all-round teams. Thats why Sydney won the 2005 GF. The 2006 Eagles Premiership team had one of the best midfields of all time and they barely won by a point. If we had a better allround team we may have won the 2005 GF and possibly got to another one as well with that era of players.

 

[Jimmy_the_Gent]

Thats a misnomer. Premierships are won by great all-round teams. Thats why Sydney won the 2005 GF. The 2006 Eagles Premiership team had one of the best midfields of all time and they barely won by a point. If we had a better allround team we may have won the 2005 GF and possibly got to another one as well with that era of players.

I disagree but I think we should leave this argument here as it's obviously just going to go around in circles.

IMO midfields make entire teams look better than they are by giving forwards more chances and taking pressure of the defenders. That gives the appearence of a good all round team but it's not actually the case.

I can see where you're coming and everything but I disagree.

 

[ant555]

Swift is WAY too low. If availiable at Essendon's 2nd pick I expect us to take him. But I can see him going late 1st round, at worst a PP range to WC or Melbourne. Essendon's picks are just awful. Naituai will go to Freo at no3. Hartlett will go to Essendon or Port (Hurley will go to the other one). If we don't get Hartlett, Ziebell is a better fit to us than Sidebottom. Sorry just do not agree with any of Essendon's picks in this phantom draft. Good try though.

Says the draft expert who can't even tell you if he went to a champ game or not
It amazes me you can still claim to be an expert even after being exposed as someone who has pretty much only read information about the draftee's and has barely seen any of them play

 

[dlanod]

Good read

I'm presuming the above should be Paul Cahill though?

When I saw the name I was hoping the write-up would be something like "Aggressive midfielder with great foot skills. Very good goal sense. Not confirmed for the draft though, due to the prospect of a huge paycut."

 

[borderbarry]

I am surprised no other Saints supporter has responded to this thread!
A large defender with our first pick, and a pacy mid/fwd with our second pick. Excellent choices.

 

[tredrea16]

what were the thoughts on falcons boys jones and simpkins? jones tends to be the KPP and simpkin is the type of player that can play on small and talls and run off the backline. which i think is needed with some clubs! eg. PORT! where these boys good chance of going in draft? or can anyone give anymore information about these players?

 

[sydney eagle]

Premierships are build on awesome midfeilds and therefore I want as many mids as possible.

If you think that our current midfield plus Rich is enough, you're deluded. Our current midfield has us second last and even if we have enough midfielders there's nowhere near enough quality.

I agree that we need a goal sneak but those guys are icing on the cake and we can pick one up later in the draft, or after we assemble a team that can actually get the ball to the forwards.

Now I know you're going to say that our midfield is young and that in 2 or 3 years Masten and Ebert and whoever else are going to be far better but just so you know, by then Embley and Stenglein will be worse and Braun will be long gone.

We did that last year (Masten, Ebert, Selwood, McGinnity, Arrowsmith). By all means get an outstanding midfield prospect (such as Rich) if we can, but there are other positions (small forward, small defender, perhaps ruck) that need bolstering more than the midfield does at the moment. Perhaps, as many people are saying, we can get a small forward (such as Hadyn Ballantyne) in the rookie draft, but this isn't certain and, as our small forwards at the moment are Le Cras, who is injury prone, Armstrong, whose form has been dissapointing and doesn't kick enough goals, the veteran Wirripanda or Mckinley, who isn't really a crumber, I think that a small, crumbing, goalkicking forward is MORE of a priority than another midfielder of the same quality as the ones that we drafted last year !

 

[Ruckman08]

Im ****ing barring up after that.... Naita and Shoey

If only.... if only

absolute superstar shoenmaker.. will be a gun forward for the crows

 

[buddie love]

shoey is definalty gonna be somthin.
great jump with 82cm and also incredibly silky skills.
it is sed that the crows are very interested in him.. although there is a question of pace with him

 

[Yoda_]

I have geelong taking Suban with their first pick, a tough hard at it small defender, with Milburn retiring soon, that small defender/ midfielder role is empty, as they dont really have any genuine smalls, yes some players can 'play small' but in reality, they need a small defender, Hunt is ok, but gets led to the ball a little bit to often, hurts teams on the rebound more than teams hurt him offensively, thats why he is doing so well for himself.

Just a theory, reasoning!!

 

[Cruiser23]

I have geelong taking Suban with their first pick, a tough hard at it small defender, with Milburn retiring soon, that small defender/ midfielder role is empty, as they dont really have any genuine smalls, yes some players can 'play small' but in reality, they need a small defender, Hunt is ok, but gets led to the ball a little bit to often, hurts teams on the rebound more than teams hurt him offensively, thats why he is doing so well for himself.

Just a theory, reasoning!!

I'm with you there HFF. That's where I have him going at the moment. I think he's perfect for Geelong's needs. I think it's either he or Trengove for Geelong at pick 16.