Official Draft and Trade thread

[DaSawx]

Its true we didnt give up much but I think it is a pretty long bow to say Murphy and Allan played a significant part in getting us into the finals. Also when you go for too many recycled players I reckon you are making a philosophical statement about not being prepared to develop kids.

2004, Allen and Murphy played the whole year, we won 1 final and played in 2. Murphy was our best player in the finals which gave our youngsters NLM, Stanton etc finals experience and shown they are capable of winning, finals experience should never be under-estimated.

Since then we have turned over almost half the list, mostly with kids and our young midfield has been in the top 6 in the AFL. Sheeds has shown time and time again he is not afraid to bring through the kids which he is doing now, and they look a pretty good group IMO

 

[Longy413]

We wouldn't have beaten Melbourne if Allan didn't play.

He allowed Hille to push forward, Hille turned the game in the last quarter.

 

[Slattery_20]

Allan was under rated in his time at EFC

He did slide straight into the 1st ruck spot (and was pretty good) with absolute ease - how many guys have done that at his age

 

[foj1]

We wouldn't have beaten Melbourne if Allan didn't play.

He allowed Hille to push forward, Hille turned the game in the last quarter.

Fair point about last quarter of that game but I have more of a problem with bringing Murphy, Allan and Alvey on the list fullstop. We then have brought in Campo and Hef who have been average at best. Yes we got the last two from the PSD but other clubs have picked up some handy young talent from PSD and I prefer the idea of favouring kids. Yes we culled a lot of mid-20 players last year but we are going to finish 2nd last and are commited to Campo and Hef for another year. If we trade for Aker then are we following a flawed philosophy- In my opinion.

 

[foj1]

Allan was under rated in his time at EFC

He did slide straight into the 1st ruck spot (and was pretty good) with absolute ease - how many guys have done that at his age

Spider Everitt, Jason Ball, Paul Salmon, John Barnes etc. How many games did Matt Allan play?

 

[Longy413]

The year we Murphy, Allan and Alvey (who was only 23) we drafted Bradley, Stanton, Nash, Dyson, Lovett and Lovett-Murray.

Last year, in drafting Heff and Campo we also added five kids in the National Draft and four in the Rookie Draft.

I'd agree with you if we were failing to draft kids, but the fact remains we have made a number of list changes in the last three years, drafted a lot of kids and our list is already unbalanced in terms of youth and experience.

 

[foj1]

The year we Murphy, Allan and Alvey (who was only 23) we drafted Bradley, Stanton, Nash, Dyson, Lovett and Lovett-Murray.

Last year, in drafting Heff and Campo we also added five kids in the National Draft and four in the Rookie Draft.

I'd agree with you if we were failing to draft kids, but the fact remains we have made a number of list changes in the last three years, drafted a lot of kids and our list is already unbalanced in terms of youth and experience.

Alvey was 23 with a body that was already failing him. Allan was 29-30 with a body that was failing him and Murphy had a questionable playing style, had been at 3 clubs and some serious questions about his commitment to footy off the ground. Hindsight is a wonderful thing but you would hope that one of those players would still be on our list- I think all the kids who you quite rightly mentioned are going to be on our list. We are really having a philosophical discussion about club direction. I think when you recruit from another club youre side needs to be in a position to win the flag- Barnes 2000 or the player is going to be a good player at your club for 5+ years. I personally dont think the forementioned fitted into either category but I acknowledge your argument has merit. Longy and anyone else for that matter, would you be happy with trading our priority pick or pick 18 if we win on Friday for Aker?

 

[Longy413]

Alvey was 23 with a body that was already failing him. Allan was 29-30 with a body that was failing him and Murphy had a questionable playing style, had been at 3 clubs and some serious questions about his commitment to footy off the ground.

I don't know if Alvey's body failed him as much as his attitude. I thought he was a great pick at the time, he could run, had good skills and was the type of player we needed.

Is it the particular players you disagree with, or the fact they were from another club?

If it's the players, you have a valid point. If it's the fact they are from an other club, I believe in the reasons for it. Heff and Campo have played important leadership roles this year and taken some pressure off young players. We have enough young players getting games IMO.

Longy and anyone else for that matter, would you be happy with trading our priority pick or pick 18 if we win on Friday for Aker?

Aker excites me, but trading picks for him doesn't.
It's something we've avoided with the other experienced players we have added to our list and I'd like to see that trend continue should we go down that path.

I don't think for a second that Aker will be in the PSD, but that is the only circumstance I would entertain getting Aker. Unless of course they are interested in one or two of our players.

 

[DaSawx]

It's not about winning the flag every single year. If you bring in players capable of helping you play finals for a team that is also bringing through young players, which we were at the time as well as adding 5-6 new draft picks to your list every year, you are essentially doing two things at once.

Getting young players valuable finals experience while adding new talent to the team. Sure they're not on our list anymore but they added experience, didn't cost much and we haven't stopped adding 5-6 kids a year.

Sure Hawthorn and Carlton are adding a ton of kids to their list, but none have played finals and none look like doing it for the next couple of years.

What Sheeds has done, under the radar by the way, he has kids in Stanton, NLM etc with more games and finals experience than any kids at Carlton and Hawthorn, they're best kids that they are hanging their hats on have played 15-20 max and been down the bottom their whole careers.

If Aker can help us get to the finals before the Carlton's and Hawthorn's I'm all for him

 

[go_the_bombers]

If we get Aker and he don't cost us too much I can deal with it

But I don't wanna trade early draft picks for him

 

[foj1]

It's not about winning the flag every single year. If you bring in players capable of helping you play finals for a team that is also bringing through young players, which we were at the time as well as adding 5-6 new draft picks to your list every year, you are essentially doing two things at once.

Getting young players valuable finals experience while adding new talent to the team. Sure they're not on our list anymore but they added experience, didn't cost much and we haven't stopped adding 5-6 kids a year.

Sure Hawthorn and Carlton are adding a ton of kids to their list, but none have played finals and none look like doing it for the next couple of years.

What Sheeds has done, under the radar by the way, he has kids in Stanton, NLM etc with more games and finals experience than any kids at Carlton and Hawthorn, they're best kids that they are hanging their hats on have played 15-20 max and been down the bottom their whole careers.

If Aker can help us get to the finals before the Carlton's and Hawthorn's I'm all for him

You are right its not about winning flags every year but shouldnt that be your aim? The way the draft and salary cap are structured each team in theory gets a chance to be on top and hopefully win a flag before weaker draft choices and salary cap pressure forces teams to slide- see us 2002. The aim is to eventually compete for a premiership NOT finish 6-8 for a couple of years and then bottom out. The advantage we have over Carlton and Hawthorn is we have Lloyd, Hille, Lucas, Fletcher, JJ, Mcphee and Mcveigh a solid core of senior players for our kids to develop with. Akermanis is an exciting player but pick 19 could get us another important player who will complement our developing list and perhaps play in our next premiership side. Isnt that what it is all about?

 

[DaSawx]

You are right its not about winning flags every year but shouldnt that be your aim? The way the draft and salary cap are structured each team in theory gets a chance to be on top and hopefully win a flag before weaker draft choices and salary cap pressure forces teams to slide- see us 2002. The aim is to eventually compete for a premiership NOT finish 6-8 for a couple of years and then bottom out. The advantage we have over Carlton and Hawthorn is we have Lloyd, Hille, Lucas, Fletcher, JJ, Mcphee and Mcveigh a solid core of senior players for our kids to develop with. Akermanis is an exciting player but pick 19 could get us another important player who will complement our developing list and perhaps play in our next premiership side. Isnt that what it is all about?

IMO to win flags you just don't need to have draft picks, they need as much experience as possible, they need a winning mentality and they need some finals experience here and there before they take that final step.

We have been incorporating all these things into the team, sure at times thats meant recruiting older players from other clubs but at the same time we are drafting as many kids as other teams, we have been fielding almost as younger teams as everyone else and have not traded high picks for ready made players ala North Melbourne. I believe our way of going about it will get us there quicker and have us much more prepared than say the way Hawthorn are going about it.

 

[foj1]

Firstly if we get Aker it would most likely be for a high draft pick-19?
Pick 19 in this draft probably equates to pick 10 in previous drafts. Your right young players need finals experience but most premiership sides play several years of finals together before they win the big one. Which in my opinion devalues the 2004 experience a little.

 

[DaSawx]

Firstly if we get Aker it would most likely be for a high draft pick-19?
Pick 19 in this draft probably equates to pick 10 in previous drafts. Your right young players need finals experience but most premiership sides play several years of finals together before they win the big one. Which in my opinion devalues the 2004 experience a little.

The next time we make it we will be better equipped then if we didn't make it in 2004, and if other teams are just making it for the first time for a while we will be ahead of them.

I'm not sure I want Aker for our PP either, previoulsy I thought we could get him for less, let another team over pay for him

 

[Merv]

The next time we make it we will be better equipped then if we didn't make it in 2004, and if other teams are just making it for the first time for a while we will be ahead of them.

I'm not sure I want Aker for our PP either, previoulsy I thought we could get him for less, let another team over pay for him

We still havent got that PP yet.....we have a quite good chance to beat the doggies this week.

 

[jules101]

Delistings:
Henneman, Bolton, Reynolds, Cartledge,

Rioli and Rama to retire.
Pev has done enough to keep his spot. I have a feeling that one of those 4 will stay. Reynolds maybe. Sheedy couldnt get rid of his 3 favs at once

 

[dodgyJim]

Delistings:
Henneman, Bolton, Reynolds, Cartledge,

Rioli and Rama to retire.
Pev has done enough to keep his spot. I have a feeling that one of those 4 will stay. Reynolds maybe. Sheedy couldnt get rid of his 3 favs at once

I still think there is a chance that Henno will be given "just one more year" simply due to the fact that he has missed this season.

I still think we need to use Henno as a hitman
When we need to quell a big forward get Henno to wipe them out early in the game, he can serve a few weeks on the sidelines and then come back and wipeout another. This would be a more effective style of play than anything we have seen from Henno yet.

Not 100% Bolts will go either, we know how much Sheeds loves him.

 

[matty lloyd the champ]

I reckon Bolton will still go
No-one can stand him

Just out of curosity
Is it worth getting Polak?

 

[DaSawx]

I reckon Bolton will still go
No-one can stand him

Just out of curosity
Is it worth getting Polak?

If he is un-contracted he is worth taking a look at in the PSD, doesn't seem to be much available atm, we'll know more later

A few players have become AA's after leaving Fremantle

Although they finally seem to know what they're doing

 

[blitzer]

If we don't get the priority pick i'm not sure id like to give up our 2nd round pick for aker in that situation. We have begun to build a good core of young players but we definitely need to grab a few more as soon as possible to get games into them. If however we do get the pp im quite happy that we are taking aker and if we can possibly make the finals that would be a great experience for all our young fellas.

 

[Big John]

I don't think we should be giving up any of our 1st 3 picks, and instead should look at trading a few players and try to get another couple of picks in the top 30. Should be able to get at least 3 quality players from those picks, and could form a nice stable core of a team with the youngsters we already have in a few years.

 

[dodgyJim]

With all the talk of how good this draft is I can't see too many teams wanting to offloads their first rounders.

Maybe the Bulldogs because they have a lot of young runners and need some height but that is about it.

 

[mcphee_is_a_gun]

I've been think and rather than trading any of our top 20 picks i think we should consider seriously getting 5 top 20 picks (so 2 more) in this extermely good draft. We may find 2-3 ready made players who can make an impact next year in those.

 

[Merv]

I've been think and rather than trading any of our top 20 picks i think we should consider seriously getting 5 top 20 picks (so 2 more) in this extermely good draft. We may find 2-3 ready made players who can make an impact next year in those.

Who do you propose they trade to get 2 top 20 picks?
Won't get top 20 picks with boltons etc etc

 

[Philhawk]

I've been think and rather than trading any of our top 20 picks i think we should consider seriously getting 5 top 20 picks (so 2 more) in this extermely good draft. We may find 2-3 ready made players who can make an impact next year in those.

But what team would consider trading away their picks? The only teams that spring to mind would be perhaps West Coast and Sydney?