Our record

[burtpies]

I've been ponderring over our lack of grand final success and you know that our the last 50 years or so our record is no better than, ST KIlda, Swans, and the Doggies and until last year you could put the cats in there too. For a club that is suppose to be a power house club in the league, WE SUCK!!!!
I can not remember over the last 30 years when we have had a real dominant side, a side where when you look at the fixture you just dread playing, eg Hawthorn of the late '80s early '90s, Brisbane, Essendon and the cats now. We have always had good sides not scary dominat sides. the 90 side was a good side not great but they are great because they won
Apart from Bucks where are the 35 possion midfielders who rack up votes every week, where is the great power forward who can change a game of his own boot, where is the arrogance of the North sides of the '90s. As supporters we talk a good game but it needs to be backed up on the field. I sure like me you are sick of being a good side and being 2nd or just 1 game out of the top 4 AGAIN!!!!! We have had some great coaches who have got our good sides up Leigh and MIck 2 of the best coaches ever but where are the players. Look what leigh did when he got to Brisbane and had that side and Mick with the WCE.
Are we on the right track at the moment that is my question? Who knows we can't see in the future but 1 Flag since 1958 just will not do, let people know we want results.

Thanks all I needed that rant.

 

[shawthing09]

I've been ponderring over our lack of grand final success and you know that our the last 50 years or so our record is no better than, ST KIlda, Swans, and the Doggies and until last year you could put the cats in there too. For a club that is suppose to be a power house club in the league, WE SUCK!!!!
I can not remember over the last 30 years when we have had a real dominant side, a side where when you look at the fixture you just dread playing, eg Hawthorn of the late '80s early '90s, Brisbane, Essendon and the cats now. We have always had good sides not scary dominat sides. the 90 side was a good side not great but they are great because they won
Apart from Bucks where are the 35 possion midfielders who rack up votes every week, where is the great power forward who can change a game of his own boot, where is the arrogance of the North sides of the '90s. As supporters we talk a good game but it needs to be backed up on the field. I sure like me you are sick of being a good side and being 2nd or just 1 game out of the top 4 AGAIN!!!!! We have had some great coaches who have got our good sides up Leigh and MIck 2 of the best coaches ever but where are the players. Look what leigh did when he got to Brisbane and had that side and Mick with the WCE.
Are we on the right track at the moment that is my question? Who knows we can't see in the future but 1 Flag since 1958 just will not do, let people know we want results.

Thanks all I needed that rant.

I would first be a smart arse and point out that Swanny polled very well in the brownlow last year, racks up a ton of the ball and will poll well again this year.

I would then say our recruiting was very poor for a long time which is evident by the gap in our player group age. There are very few players 23-28 in age.

I would then suggest that since Hine our recruiting has been a lot better and we have a the building blocks in place, it's a matter of now developing, actively identifying our weakness's and adding to it and filling in the gaps and finishing the transition.

 

[Godfrey Jones]

there are a million excuses for every year mate, wouldnt know where to start

 

[PieLebo87]

For the first time in my lifetime, Collingwood supporters can be excited about young players who might/can become elite players in the competition. They aren't sitting on potential in the reserves after a handful of impressive games, they've actually keeping more senior players out of the side, and on top of that, Collingwood is winning games and sitting in a finals position, which means these kids, who haven't even reached their full potential yet, are better than more than half of the competition.

The past is the past, and theres nothing you can change about it. All you have to do is look at the present and whats available to us, and what we can do to keep improving to become absolutely dominant.

With Scott Pendlebury, we'll have an elite midfielder in the comp who will easily be top 5 in a couple of years.

With Marty Clarke, Sharrod Wellingham and Heath Shaw we're going to have very good players who will destroy your average opposition and back up the elite core.

We're got the best traditional CHF in the competition and he is only 21. He has shown, recently, that when he is left one-out, he is unbeatable. You wanted that forward, well we have one, that no defender in the AFL can beat, one-out.

We've got a first year youngster at FB who is as tough as nails, and its absolutely scary when he has gathered 50-60 games experience under his belt.

Need not look further than a particular player by the name of Harry O'Brien, who can take on Stephen Milne, your resident small forward pocket, or Stevie Johnson, your medium sized freak of the competition, or even a Nick Reiwohlt, a premier big forward in the comp.

If there ever was a project player with potential, then Sean Rusling is one. We might have a 100+ goal a year forward, or we might bust. But isn't it exciting to just have that at our disposal? The scary thing is, he might just be serviceable enough anyway.

If you want the definition of X-factor, theres #13 with locks. Can do the remarkable, and does it because he is talented, not because he flukes it. On top of that, he has the workrate of a Nathan Buckley on and off the track. (Same can be said about Pendles)

Its not all smooth, we've even got the hardworking youngsters. The ones supporters don't like as much, but are integral pieces to a Premiership machine. The likes of Ryan Cook and Alan Toovey, who are in our current side, which has won the last 3 games and heading into finals. Yes, and still youngsters.

John Anthony, Shannon Cox, Cameron Wood, Ben Reid, Daniel Stanley, Ryan Cook, J-Mac, Chris Dawes, Brad Dick and Tyson Goldsack called you, burtpies, and they're curious to know whats going on in your head.

By the way, let me know how old the OLDEST player is that has been mentioned in this list ..... If that doesn't give you a hardon, nothing will.

 

[Koki Freelander]

Everyone wants to be Premiers. And indeed, we haven't done that much in anyone's lifetime. But we have also played in 11 Grand Finals since 1958 (not including 1958). So to say we 'suck' because we have tripped up on Grand Final day is to be extremely simplistic and glib. And I have seen Buckley, Daicos, Millane, McGuane, Monkhurst (the last two were Brownlow favourites in two different years in the late 80s early 90s). We have overwhelmingly out performed many teams in this period and we have also made ourselves the richest franchise in AFL history in the process. We may not be the Machine Team anymore, and our recent history is a little chequered, but I wont be losing any sleep wondering if we suck. Collingwood to me will always be awesome

 

[MarkT]

It is impossible that our premiership record of the first half of our existence and our non premiership record of the second half of our existence are not cultural and it is highly unlikely to change until that is recognised and aggressively dealt with. The last 50 years has covered an amateur, part time and fully professional era moving from locals, zones, purchased players and a national draft. It hasn’t made any difference to the results.

Start at the top. Change the culture. Demand more and accept less excuses for not winning premierships. That will drive everything else. Eddie had the right slogan but he didn’t live it.

“Nothing but the best for Collingwood.” Just words unfortunately.


“Nothing but the best.”
Live it, breath it; win premierships.

 

[Optimax]

Start at the top. Change the culture. Demand more and accept less excuses for not winning premierships. That will drive everything else. Eddie had the right slogan but he didn’t live it.

“Nothing but the best for Collingwood.” Just words unfortunately.


“Nothing but the best.”
Live it, breath it; win premierships.

Seeing as i just answered a question for godfrey on the new magpies this morning got me thinking, the era that brought them to power is very similar to now.


There was a board change because we couldnt win a GF (i dont fully understand why that is the boards fault but never mind) and we wernt doing well enough on field.

So we got a Ranald McDonald led board who changed our logo (yeah that helps), our theme song (because that'll get a preimrship), started a buying war with richmond (just got out players angry and BT and cloke but in general helped little) and pissed the rest of our money up the wall (remeber when we signed two coaches senior that is in the same week). The board change it self was spiteful and bloody

All that did is set us back financially decades, and almost crippled a powerful club (this started the debt eddie had to clear McAilister finished it), i give them credit for one thing Matthews and that i dare say that was a fluke.

What im saying is that board change and how i imagine it would happen within the next couple of years wont help, there will be infighting and factions because eddie wont just step aside without a fight especially after another finals appearence, yes i kno he hasnt won a premiership but Eddie could not of done a better job that he has done with us

I dont want a "new magpies" to happen ever again but i have a sick feeling that it is coming and i know it will hurt and hurt badly

 

[MarkT]

Seeing as i just answered a question for godfrey on the new magpies this morning got me thinking, the era that brought them to power is very similar to now.


There was a board change because we couldnt win a GF (i dont fully understand why that is the boards fault but never mind) and we wernt doing well enough on field.

So we got a Ranald McDonald led board who changed our logo (yeah that helps), our theme song (because that'll get a preimrship), started a buying war with richmond (just got out players angry and BT and cloke but in general helped little) and pissed the rest of our money up the wall (remeber when we signed two coaches senior that is in the same week). The board change it self was spiteful and bloody

All that did is set us back financially decades, and almost crippled a powerful club (this started the debt eddie had to clear McAilister finished it), i give them credit for one thing Matthews and that i dare say that was a fluke.

What im saying is that board change and how i imagine it would happen within the next couple of years wont help, there will be infighting and factions because eddie wont just step aside without a fight especially after another finals appearence, yes i kno he hasnt won a premiership but Eddie could not of done a better job that he has done with us

I dont want a "new magpies" to happen ever again but i have a sick feeling that it is coming and i know it will hurt and hurt badly

My recollection of the time was we were a staid conservative club that did not utilise its resources. This came on the back of an era where we refused to accept players wanted to be adequately paid to play and we couldn’t just call on the jumper as enough to attract the best players. North and Carlton realised the power of the dollar and the riches interstate and they won flags. When we recruited a high profile player from WA on “big” money we had a player strike on our hands. You can probably go back to the Sherrin era to see boards putting their egos and outdated philosophies before success.

The New Magpies had a simple promise. Buy a premiership. Collingwood members had seen it work elsewhere. We should have known that anything headed up by a man by the name of Ranald was going to be a bit suspect but when his full name is Ranald McDonnald you should see the McWriting on the McWall.

FWIW, the logo never changed. The New Magpies logo was an election campaign logo and not made the official club logo. I don’t think the song changed either but I am not as certain there.

I am not specifically after board change either. I am after change from the board though. More accountability. More emphasis on on field results. Most of all I want an end to acceptance of near misses as near success. You sometimes need to over react to achieve real change. We need to view every year we don’t win the flag as a year of failure and change whatever we can to rectify it. It isn’t 1999 or 2000 any more. We aren’t there now we are here and we should be winning premierships now. All the explanations as to why we aren’t are excuses for failure of some department, function or person.

Back to my original point, we need to change our culture because if we don’t we won’t change our achievements. We might snag a flag like we did in 1990 but in 50 years we will be talking about 3 or 4 flags in the last century instead of in 10 years talking about another 3 in the next 10.

 

[Godfrey Jones]

Seeing as i just answered a question for godfrey on the new magpies this morning got me thinking, the era that brought them to power is very similar to now.

thanks mate by the way