General Bombers Talk Overrating Players?

[donAthon]

Do you think the club overrates Stanton, Monfries, Slattery, Dyson and Myers when opposition clubs may not think much of them? Discuss

 

[Shane Hird]

Do you think the club overrates Stanton, Monfries, Slattery, Dyson and Myers when opposition clubs may not think much of them? Discuss

Delete from your...discussion question.


I know I don't ####ing think much of them.

 

[Summer Nights]

The club? No. What makes you think that?

 

[donAthon]

I'm so glad Dempsey is back, pure class. Now I dont have to watch Eddie Betts kick 8 on slattery Not to mention watch Dyson become a chance at the 22 because Monfries and Myers are in contention for the midfield Seriously... Monfries is not a midfielder hes a forward pocket that plays 4 good games a year. Stanton is a decent average player that contributes well but gets run down, holding the ball at to many crucial parts of the game...

Its beyond me why players like Kyle Reimers dont get more games. All the players mentioned above apart from maybe Dyson are slow. If Essendon continues to play tall sides then I dont see where the run is coming from.

 

[donAthon]

The club? No. What makes you think that?

I think if a footy club puts players regularly in there 22 they obviously rate them.

I just question if other clubs would put Stanton, Monfries, Myers in there 22 each week or even keep players like Slattery and Dyson on there list.

 

[gPhonque]

Although I'm not his biggest fan (it's a bit love-hate to be honest) I think all clubs would rate Stanton highly. Brain-farts aside, he's regularly damaging just due to the amount of ball he finds.

Monfries? Not consistent enough (in fact, easily the most inconsistent player on our list imo) although clubs would still be wary of him at the same time. Although he's inconsistent, he has class... and he may play his one blinder of a game for the year against them...

Slattery isn't exactly the kind of player opposition clubs need to be wary of. He's a solid backman, but he's hardly about to break a game apart, or shut down the opposition's key forward. He just does his job when he plays. Clubs can't really do much about him.

Dyson? Do we overrate him? Considering he struggles to get a game, I'd say not.

As for Myers, I'm not sure anybody overrates him yet... he's not consistent enough to be concerned about yet imo... but I'm hoping this year might be his year to step up a bit and consolidate himself in the side. (I'd really like to see Myers do well... a strong body, lethal left foot... could be quite a weapon if he can put it all together...)

And I know you didn't mention him, and I know he's a favourite around here, but the most overrated player on our list (imo) is Zaharakis. edit: Actually, that's wrong, and I didn't mean to put it like that... he's FAR from the most overrated on the list... he's a good player... I just think he's a bit overrated at the moment.

*ducks for cover...*

So to answer your question, I'd say the only one from your list that we (the club) overrate a bit is Monfries.

 

[grugsticles]

Although I'm not his biggest fan (it's a bit love-hate to be honest) I think all clubs would rate Stanton highly. Brain-farts aside, he's regularly damaging just due to the amount of ball he finds.

Monfries? Not consistent enough (in fact, easily the most inconsistent player on our list imo) although clubs would still be wary of him at the same time. Although he's inconsistent, he has class... and he may play his one blinder of a game for the year against them...

Slattery isn't exactly the kind of player opposition clubs need to be wary of. He's a solid backman, but he's hardly about to break a game apart, or shut down the opposition's key forward. He just does his job when he plays. Clubs can't really do much about him.

Dyson? Do we overrate him? Considering he struggles to get a game, I'd say not.

As for Myers, I'm not sure anybody overrates him yet... he's not consistent enough to be concerned about yet imo... but I'm hoping this year might be his year to step up a bit and consolidate himself in the side. (I'd really like to see Myers do well... a strong body, lethal left foot... could be quite a weapon if he can put it all together...)

And I know you didn't mention him, and I know he's a favourite around here, but the most overrated player on our list (imo) is Zaharakis. edit: Actually, that's wrong, and I didn't mean to put it like that... he's FAR from the most overrated on the list... he's a good player... I just think he's a bit overrated at the moment.

*ducks for cover...*

So to answer your question, I'd say the only one from your list that we (the club) overrate a bit is Monfries.

I tend to agree with everything you have said.

Zaka - huge potential and has show what he is capable of, but isnt there yet. Not by a long shot.

Stanton - me and my best mate seriously HATE him. Sometimes it is like he is the mole. Yes, he gets a lot of the ball and I commend him on that, but he delivery and decision making is lacking.
Ive had discussions about him with other mates who strongly support other clubs, and the general gist is they see him as a hack who they like seeing with the ball (as it generally means a turnover is close).

Monfries - Id love to see him become the player I think he is capable of being, but IMO for the past few seasons he's more of a depth player.

Dyson + Slattery - should be moved on. Give someone else a shot.

Myers - I hear and read a lot of praise for him, but to at this point in time Im yet to see convincing proof that he is what everyone says he is. Maybe Ive just not watched him in enough detail yet?
I think he deserves a good sold shot at it and Ill hold judgement until then.

NOTE: I do hold the utmost respect for these guys and Id sincerely commend on their efforts them if I ever had the opportunity. The fact is that they play for Essendon and that over rides any gripe I may have with them.

 

[Kyptastic]

Do you think the club overrates Stanton, Monfries, Slattery, Dyson and Myers when opposition clubs may not think much of them? Discuss

There isn't much to discuss here. How are these players overrated by the club? Why does it matter if opposition clubs think much of them?

Go back and watch the Elimination Final - Stanton and Monfries were two of our best players, whilst Myers had a really big crack in the second(?) when the game was still on the line.

I don't know how you can say that the club overrates Dyson and Slattery when neither of them look like they'll be playing much in the firsts unless we have a large amount of injuries.

 

[JD11]

not a fast runner = overrated?

 

[eth-dog]

Myers as a defender rarely gets beaten. Of the 16 or so games he played last year he was beaten twice iirc. Once against Quinten Lynch, where he was played on the wrong bloke (should've been on Darling) and against Thornton in the EF

Stanton is arguably our most consistent player. Gets 20+ disposals most games, (had 4 games under 20 disposals in 2011- should've been 3 after getting blatantly pushed in the back vs Sydney in the goalsquare which would've won us the game , another when injured in the second quarter vs WC), and rarely has a bad game. Averaged 24.8 touches last year- and usually cops a hard tag. Most underrated player at Essendon

I think Monfries is overrated, but he is a good player.

 

[kelvin_sheedy]

How do you know opposition clubs do not think much of these players?

Do you mean opposition supporters on bigfooty because that is all you are pretty much qualified to say.

I think everyone is quite aware of those players abilities and nothing more needs to be discussed.

I think Myers will change a lot of opinions this year. Changed mine a year or two back when I saw his movement improve and his fitness base get a little better.

 

[BrownPearHookers]

The player everyone does not rate from other teams is Ryder, he should be added, I seem to be always defending him from opposition supporters.
Hird has had to keep him away from the lurking tenticles of the media.

 

[Slattery_20]

Shit thread.
In reality it's just another "delist players I don't rate" and you've not even given them the common courtesy of playing a game this year.

 

[Zacka11]

Stanton is an integral part of our best 22, so take your Stanton bashing and GTFO

 

[raskolnikov]

I think the club does possibly overrate Slattery and Dyson.

They would have been delisted from any other club.

 

[Slattery_20]

People who seriously try and make an argument that monfries is inconsistent, compared to anyone else on our list let alone forwards immediately stamp themselves as idiots.

 

[BrunoV]

donathon has certainly found a new way of potting players he doesn't like.

I would have thought that the fact that neither Slattery or Dyson feature in our current set up unless there are chronic injury problems is a fair indication that the club doesn't "rate" them. I agree with keeping them around for depth because you do need to be able to call on players to do a job (not just fill in space - which is what the underdeveloped youngsters tend to do). You cannot honestly believe that Dyson disgraced himself or the club when he finally got into the side in 2011. He did his job effectively enough. Having said that, neither will get new contracts (and that is part of the normal evolution of a list).

Monfries' output has to be respected to this point. He has invariably sacrificed his game to play as either a hugely undersized CHF or defensive forward. The club is probably working on the assumption that if it can finally free Monfries to play as a freewheeling mid that he is capable of having the sort of game he had against Adelaide fairly frequently. With the injuries to our list finally under control we may actually get to see Monfries play the football he was drafted to play this year. I don't think EFC thinks that by having Monfries that we have Ablett Jr on our list but we have a solid footballer capable of playing many roles (maybe even Chapmanesque).

Stanton is in a similar mold to Monfries. EFC doesn't think that he is a mega star. Stanton's output is respected because he has basically done a midfield's worth of running by himself to this point in his career. He is a workhorse and effective at it and respected by the club (hence consistently high placings in the BnF).

Myers may well be overrated in the clubs eyes because I think that they are starting to see Dustin Martin in Myers which is why he is spending a lot of time in the middle (I agree but I don't expect many to). Myers, for all the criticism, was never beaten by his direct opponent when he played as a key defender anyway and is now proving to be a dominant clearance player. I honestly believe that by the end of the season Myers wont be overrated and that he will be respected by opposition clubs.


Edit: there is a lesson is this: read more than the opening post so you don't waste your time. donathon you're in desperate need of a clue.

 

[Ben the Gooner]

Stanton - me and my best mate seriously HATE him. Sometimes it is like he is the mole. Yes, he gets a lot of the ball and I commend him on that, but he delivery and decision making is lacking.
Ive had discussions about him with other mates who strongly support other clubs, and the general gist is they see him as a hack who they like seeing with the ball (as it generally means a turnover is close).

With no due respect, you and your mate are morons.

 

[SirJimi05]

People who seriously try and make an argument that monfries is inconsistent, compared to anyone else on our list let alone forwards immediately stamp themselves as idiots.

This x 100. Our most consistent forward yet people on here are always going on about him being inconsistent.

TBH I stopped reading when the OP labelled him as nothing more than a forward pocket. I can't even remember the last time he ever played forward pocket.

He is a high forward, ffs!

 

[Ben the Gooner]

This x 100. Our most consistent forward yet people on here are always going on about him being inconsistent.

TBH I stopped reading when the OP labelled him as nothing more than a forward pocket. I can't even remember the last time he ever played forward pocket.

He is a high forward, ffs!

Is there a more chronically misunderstood footballer in the league?

 

[SirJimi05]

Is there a more chronically misunderstood footballer in the league?

Given that it is our own supporter base which misunderstands him, probably not.

 

[RedmanWasHere]

Replace Myers, Stanton and Monfries with Dempsey and you can turf Dempsey, Ricky Dyson and Slattery straight out the door.

 

[Eleven 38]

There seems to be a select few essendon supporters that underrate Stanton, dont think anyone at the club overrates him..

 

[matty lloyd the champ]

Stanton overated by us because other supporters don't rate him. Are you kidding? Most opposition supporters are drongos who see one poor game and automatically deduct that he is crap. The fact he gets tagged on a consistent basis suggests he is pretty highly rated by people in the know, i.e. opposition coaches.

 

[Jade]

Do you think the club overrates Stanton, Monfries, Slattery, Dyson and Myers when opposition clubs may not think much of them? Discuss

I think Stanton is rated very highly by both the club AND opposition clubs. It's only the fans on here that don't.