Religion Pell Guilty!

[Crankyhawk]

No. The two judges of the Court of Appeal who upheld the conviction know every bit as well as I do that he couldn't have committed the offence.

Not sure how you reach that conclusion

Or are you saying the court is unduly influenced by external factors- which may stray towards contempt?

 

[Pessimistic]

You didn't already think this previously?

I'm not personally aquainted with that church. Initially I thought 'surely a person already at the top of a heirarchy already with a big problem couldn't be so stupid as to do this so brazenly'

That was the biggest no point in my estimation. If the act did actually happen, thats totally flipped. Its disgraceful and words aren't enough really

 

[Gough]

Yeah look, a bad person has gone to prison. That's a good thing. I am a little concerned over the concept of reasonable doubt and implications moving forward though....

Is there more doubt in this case than any other abuse case or does it's high profile nature just mean there's more scrutiny? I think that if we're looking for miscarriages of justice we could probably find plenty of cases more worthy of out attention than DPP v George Pell.

 

[Del191229]

Yeah look, a bad person has gone to prison. That's a good thing. I am a little concerned over the concept of reasonable doubt and implications moving forward though....

The Court of Appeal has put your concerns to rest.

 

[BruceFromBalnarring]

OK, humour me, why did they dismiss his appeal - and don't say "politics" when he had two character references from ex prime ministers from the same party as the serving government.

It's a state court, not a federal one. Start with that.

And I won't be stating on an online forum in the face of a wave of hostility why I think they dismissed the appeal.

Surely you could understand that.

 

[QuietB]

I have spoken directly to people who have. Who are senior enough to properly understand the issues. Who don't like Pell.

The characterisation of the complainant's evidence as "compelling" is bulls**t. I have seen everything else, much of which was not even challenged by the prosecution. And I saw directly the Prosecution's closing. And accepting every word of the Prosecution's closing doesn't come close to defeating reasonable doubt.

Well maybe Pell should have taken the stand and presented his innocence.

Pell had the option to stand up and state he didn't do it.

But something didn't allow him to do that

 

[Happy Mastenator]

So we can categorically state that Bruce is a pedo supporter? Like for real? That’s what you want to be known for?

 

[Crankyhawk]

2 to 1

Just shows the inadequacy of the legal system, where three experienced judges who put a lot of consideration into this couldn't agree on the outcome.

Or shows the difficulty of this case.

 

[Freo Big Fella]

Yes. There is no realistic way he could have committed the offence. Certainly not unseen.

Given you've already established you think teenagers are fair game for predators to "horse around" with - why would he even care?

 

[LFTWNG11]

He had character references from two ex Prime Ministers.

You really a sick person.

Wrong side of politics... how can you be on the wrong side of politics when you have 2 character references from ex Lib PM’s and we now have Libs in government. Seriously delusional, like believing in a a magic sky daddy.

 

[Del191229]

Is there more doubt in this case than any other abuse case or does it's high profile nature just mean there's more scrutiny? I think that if we're looking for miscarriages of justice we could probably find plenty of cases more worthy of out attention than DPP v George Pell.

He had Robert Richter SC and Bret Walker SC as his silks.

If there was a sniff they would have turned it into a sneezing fit that infected the whole court.

Sometimes it is at seems - a paedo who worked and lived with a whole heap of other paedos in one of the most paedo-riddled times and places in human experience is a paedo.

 

[kickazz]

The Court of Appeal has put your concerns to rest.

2 to 1 is BRD?

 

[Del191229]

It's a state court, not a federal one. Start with that.

And I won't be stating on an online forum in the face of a wave of hostility why I think they dismissed the appeal.

Surely you could understand that.

And now the inevitable retreat to self-defined martyrdom.

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

2 to 1

Just shows the inadequacy of the legal system, where three experienced judges who put a lot of consideration into this couldn't agree on the outcome.

Got to admit I would have thought a unanimous decision would have been required to uphold beyond reasonable doubt.

I mean in someways 2-1 by appeal judges is less comprehensive than 11-1 by jurors. This is a Court of Appeal judge who has willing to quash all charges!! What a shit system

 

[Sainteric]

79% he will be released
David Marr thinks it

Marr is too far left and usally wrong. Like in this case

 

[FredLeDeux]

It's a state court, not a federal one. Start with that.

And I won't be stating on an online forum in the face of a wave of hostility why I think they dismissed the appeal.

Surely you could understand that.

What I understand is that when you make (not so) thinly veiled allegations of corruption, you put up or shut up.

 

[Badesumofu]

I have spoken directly to people who have. Who are senior enough to properly understand the issues. Who don't like Pell.

The characterisation of the complainant's evidence as "compelling" is bulls**t. I have seen everything else, much of which was not even challenged by the prosecution. And I saw directly the Prosecution's closing. And accepting every word of the Prosecution's closing doesn't come close to defeating reasonable doubt.

You are very confirmation-biased. A strong majority of judges and jurors who have actually seen the testimony have found it utterly compelling. You are dismissing out of hand any opinions that don't support your view and giving total credence to all the opinions that do support it.

 

[Mofra]

Convicted racist and paedophile defender Andrew Bolt doubles down today. I thought he wanted Victoria to be tough on crime?

 

[Sainteric]

As Denis Pagan told the players just before they ran out for the 1996 Grand Final, the arc of the universe is long, but it bends towards justice.

Theodore Parker a universalist and definitely a saints supporter was plagiarised by everyone including MLK and Lincoln notably for the key bits of the Gettysburg address

 

[NSWCROW]

Turn those frowns upside down cathos

Ya boy's cooked but we're gonna tag along with the seppos in Iran

 

[Crankyhawk]

2 to 1 is BRD?

2 found it was and one found it unclear, not that there was definitive doubt. Or 2 agreed with the initial procedure and result and one had doubts about the procedure of the initial judgment (I don’t know the exact grounds of appeal)

 

[FRUMPY]

2 found it was and one found it unclear, not that there was definitive doubt. Or 2 agreed with the initial procedure and result and one had doubts about the procedure of the initial judgment (I don’t know the exact grounds of appeal)

I assume that's why they have 3 judges in case they cant agree

 

[Mr_Moogle]

Why are mods allowing a pedophile apologist like Bruce to pollute BigFooty? They should be purging the board of filth like this.

 

[western royboy]

Wato

No. The two judges of the Court of Appeal who upheld the conviction know every bit as well as I do that he couldn't have committed the offence.

Really...do tell...

 

[kickazz]

Is there more doubt in this case than any other abuse case or does it's high profile nature just mean there's more scrutiny? I think that if we're looking for miscarriages of justice we could probably find plenty of cases more worthy of out attention than DPP v George Pell.

For sure. If we cared to look were find heaps more worthy of attention. I'd be interested to know how often appeal decisions are not unanimous.