Pendlebury v Murphy

[Collingwoodity]

I know this poll has probably been done before. BUT as of today and looking to the future, I honestly believe that Carlton made a mistake when drafting Murphy ahead of Pendlebury.

Both do good outside work, Murphy better Goalkicker, but! Pendlebury much better clearance player and has some sort of defensive side. Plus Pendlebury performs in finals, Murphy has been quite poor in both 2009 and 2010 finals.

Pendlebury has been outstanding in finals games (missed last years prelim) 2007-2010.

Although Brownlow is not the best reflection upon playing ability, Carlton fans are saying that Swan had Pendlebury to take votes away from, why wasnt Murphy taking the 2 votes from the match after Judd (if Judd is too good for Murphy to take votes from)?

No doubt Murphy showed more potential early on, but I think Pendlebury has soared past him and dare I say it, Thomas is just about same level as Murphy.

Thoughts?

Carlton and Collingwood ppl try to keep this clean for accurate result....

 

[Daics35Marvel]

The previous thread on this topic from last year was basically a dead heat.

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=583774

Will be interesting to see how much opinions have changed in 12 months.

 

[FRUMPY]

When you barely do a preseason in todays footy then you will struggle. No doubt murphy had a down year compared to last year, but was still one of our top 5 players.

I can guarantee you that Carlton would not choose any other player than Murphy. A goal kicking midfielder who can get his own ball, clever in close. The so called defensive deficiancies he has are a bit overated. Carlton as a club could get better at this but he isnt that bad at it.

As for this years final, i reckon Murphy was better than Judd, who got rated best on ground. Judd did it i spurts whereas Murphy was our best 4 qtr player.

Pendles has had a better year than him this year, no doubt. Thomas has been closer to him this year but i would still say Murphy was better.

 

[Military_man]

In the long term Murphy will be a much better player then Pendlebury. Some players mature slower then others. Look out for Murphy next year.

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

Pendlebury is better than Murphy no doubt, but i think it will even out when Carlton come into premiership contention (basically when they get another 2 good backmen and Henderson matures)

Thomas is nowhere near either of them, he had his first decent year this year, wheras last year murphy finished top 10 in the brownlow. I don't think thomas will become the kind of star that the other two probably will become

that said i still think pendlebury will be better, but probably only marginally

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Seems if you lost finals your performance always looks worse. Murphy was our 3rd highest possession winner against the Swans this year and 2nd highest last year against the Lions. Our game has changed. We are not a high possession side anymore.

Against the Lions last year, Murph was one of the catalysts for the 3rd quarter roll on, with his work out of the centre. We only really had one good quarter in that game and the team in general were down.

His output was slightly down this year for various reasons, and Judd got to run a tiny more now that we block for him a bit more and rotated McLean, Hadley and Grigg in and out of the packs when available. Judd only needs to run like that a couple of times a match to compliment his ball winning abilities and he gets noticed. Murph did not kick the goals this year so lacked that flash to get himself noticed. He was pretty solid however.

Not sure why gaining Brownlow votes is the criteria here anway. Murph and Gibbs scored more than Pendles last year, but that was not considered a relevant argument. Judd scored more than Swan this year but that is not considered to reflect their standing, but when Murph fails to score Brownlow votes, he is considered inferior to Pendlebury. It's pretty convenient.

Pendlebury is playing in a stronger side, one that works for each other. Carlton are a year or two behind. They might be the same age and of similar experience but your own individual performance can be assisted by what happens around you.

I am not sure why every year, or even several times a year, decent young players are compared to each other in order to establish a pecking order. It doesn't make sense when you have a group of gun players, to try to argue their order. Players like this take turns in who is having the better game, better month, better season and there are often extenuating circumstances as to why that happens.

Carlton didn't make a mistake. Pendlebury was never ranked number 1 pre-draft. In fact the Pies copped some stick for reaching a little IIRC.

Supporters should just be happy they got something good and stop trying to turn it into bragging rights.

 

[Pie_squasher]

Murphy any day of the week

 

[West123]

This should have been close but Murphy didn't step up this year. He and Gibbs need to have a look at themselves.

Pendles by a country mile.

 

[The Panther]

Murphy was our 3rd highest possession winner against the Swans this year.

Murphy had 22 disposals. His opponent, Rhyce Shaw, had 15 disposals. Shaw kicked 2 goals & had 2 direct goal assists. Murphy 0.

 

[TigerTime88]

In the long term Murphy will be a much better player then Pendlebury. Some players mature slower then others. Look out for Murphy next year.

Lol Murphy has not matured slowly, quite the opposite imo.

I think it is a dead heat and before this year Murphy was ahead. Pendlebury set the tone in the prelim and was best on for mine.

Murphy had a interrupted pre season...

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Murphy had 22 disposals. His opponent, Rhyce Shaw, had 15 disposals. Shaw kicked 2 goals & had 2 direct goal assists. Murphy 0.

Again, we are a low possession side. You are another that using possessions to determine worth. The Swans tend to strangle opponents and the opposition mids are looking to get free, not to counter tag their tag on the off chance they get some ball close to goal.

It's the run of play that matters. Not that you care or have ever been objective on such matters ... in any of your former guises.

 

[ThePine]

pendles is playing in a premiership contending team, murphy did not train properly until after the split round.

pens year is always going to look better.

both class acts.

 

[The Panther]

Again, we are a low possession side. You are another that using possessions to determine worth. The Swans tend to strangle opponents and the opposition mids are looking to get free, not to counter tag their tag on the off chance they get some ball close to goal.

Rhyce Shaw is hardly a midfielder.

In Murphy's 21 disposals, he had 4 direct clangers & gave away 4 freekicks.

You stated that Murphy had a good finals performance on his disposal count yet you are stating, "using possessions to determine worth". You've contradicted yourself.

Rhyce Shaw played off Murphy & like many players this year, he showed that Murphy only runs one way. His performance against Sydney was poor.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

pendles is playing in a premiership contending team, murphy did not train properly until after the split round.

pens year is always going to look better.

both class acts.

That's the crux of it. Most posters live in a goldfish bowl.

If their team is successful, then all their players are better than their peers in opposition teams. If a player has a good year, he has surpassed another player.

Wasn't that long ago that we were told how much better most of Geelong's midfielders were compared to everyone else. Now they are out of the finals, they are on the decline.

The fact is they still have some class midfielders there that you can claim are now worse than Collingwood or St Kilda's midfielders on the basis of the season result. They could bounce back next year and be better again, so these sort of calls are always premature.

As I said, why can't people just enjoy football talent without turning it into a pissing contest by degrees? Hell, it's not as though they are the ones out there doing it, but they are trying to gain internet superiority vicariously through young players on entirely premature assertions. Does my head in.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Rhyce Shaw is hardly a midfielder.

In Murphy's 21 disposals, he had 4 direct clangers & gave away 4 freekicks.

You stated that Murphy had a good finals performance on his disposal count yet you are stating, "using possessions to determine worth". You've contradicted yourself.

Rhyce Shaw played off Murphy & like many players this year, he showed that Murphy only runs one way. His performance against Sydney was poor.

Firstly, I did not say that he had a good finals performance based on his disposal count. I merely relayed that he was up there in terms of possessions, because I had no idea on what premise his finals performances were said to be poor.

By the way Shaw had 13 possessions and 1 goal assist. No need to pad out his figures.

Murphy gave away 3 free kicks not four and earned 3 himself, and 11 of his 21 possessions were contested so he got amongst it.

Shaw had 7 tackles ... pretty impressive. Murphy had .... oh wait, 7 tackles. Yup, surely a sign he was running one way. You are so full of shit.

Murphy also had 8 clearances, 3 inside 50s and 2 rebound 50s (what the hell was he doing way back there?)

I hate it when people look at goals anywhere but the forward line and blame the opponent for them every time. Half the time the player gets drawn to another contest and it does not reflect that they didn't work hard enough.

Yes and Murph did have 4 clangers. So what? He is was inside a lot.

Hanneberry had 4, Jack had 3, Shaw had 3 (from his 13 touches), Bevan, Malceski, Grundy, Kirk, also 3.

Murph also had more 1%ers than Shaw.

 

[jonesy86]

If you could only have 1 of them in your starting midfield on GF day, Pendles is the one I'd rather have.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

If you could only have 1 of them in your starting midfield on GF day, Pendles is the one I'd rather have.

Of course you would. He helped you to get there and fits in perfectly with the dynamic of the team.

Even if you could, you wouldn't go messing with the structure of the side, since structure is one of the main reasons you have been successful this year IMO.

 

[OniAu]

murphy would be one of my fav players outside of collingwood , wouldnt do a straight swap for him though for pendles.

frightening knowing that carlton coulda had both in that draft, they would complement each other so well

 

[Military_man]

Lol Murphy has not matured slowly, quite the opposite imo.

I think it is a dead heat and before this year Murphy was ahead. Pendlebury set the tone in the prelim and was best on for mine.

Murphy had a interrupted pre season...

i agree. Murphy next year will be a force again like he was last year

 

[Swanny36]

If you all watched a bit more football, you would realise how much better pendles is.
Absolute class, and wins plenty of the footy.

 

[blues4flag]

Murphy had 22 disposals. His opponent, Rhyce Shaw, had 15 disposals. Shaw kicked 2 goals & had 2 direct goal assists. Murphy 0.

Why do you lie?

13 possessions, 2 goals, 1 goal assist, 3 FAs.
21 possessions, 1 goal, 0 goal assists, 3 FAs.

 

[blues4flag]

Not only did Murphy not have a preseason but:

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...-for-marc-murphy/story-e6frf9jf-1225914274942

"I had the operation on my hip in January, then played half a game in a practice match against West Coast. I was then going to play half a game and got injured in the first quarter."

Part of the problem was that he had no continuity in training. For the first two thirds of the season he was sore most weeks and struggled to spend time on the track, yet still managed to play on the weekends.

"I struggled to get out there for every session for the first 14 games," he said. "I would only go out there for a bit and do a few run-throughs. If it wasn't one thing, it was another. But I'm feeling a lot fresher now and it's starting to show in my game."

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...-for-marc-murphy/story-e6frf9jf-1225914274942


Fairly clear why Murphy struggled to have the impact this season that he did last season.

 

[Bic]

Murphy wouldn't play a game as bad as pendlebury played today.... Only 5 kicks, 1 clearance

 

[pieman123]

He was still OK for a guy who supposedly had a broken finger and got injured during the 3rd quarter

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

He was still OK for a guy who supposedly had a broken finger and got injured during the 3rd quarter

if he had a broken finger why wasn't it strapped???