Says the NAB rising star voters.
Cotchin came 3rd playing only 15 games. Kreuzer game 5th from memory (maybe 4th) playing close to the whole season.
Says the bookies and punters (bookies and punters have never been wrong before), who had Cotchin at $31 to win the rising star and had Kreuzer at $51.
Says 70% of the people on the polls board:
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=514403&highlight=kreuzer+cotchin&page=1
And that's asking who suited Carlton better, not who had the better year.
I'm not sure why I brought it up because it doesn't matter who was ahead after year 1 or 2, only year 3 and beyond.
Having said that I thought you would be unbiased enough to admit that Cotch was ahead after year 1, with Kreuzer clearly being ahead after year 2.
Year 3 I can accept you saying Kreuzer, but I generally don't rate ruckmen full stop and rate them almost solely on their work around the ground.
How'd that last one work out?
The one about Richmond being in a good position to attract some opposition players?
I generally don't rate ruckmen that highly, because even the tap work of the best is pretty horrible and often to disadvantage. Cotchins work around the ground is better than Kreuzers hence why I rate him higher. I also think Kreuzer's a bit overated as a forward. He's a handy option but probably no better than most other big guys who cause mismatches with their height.
Cotchin came 3rd playing only 15 games. Kreuzer game 5th from memory (maybe 4th) playing close to the whole season.
Says the bookies and punters (bookies and punters have never been wrong before), who had Cotchin at $31 to win the rising star and had Kreuzer at $51.
Says 70% of the people on the polls board:
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=514403&highlight=kreuzer+cotchin&page=1
And that's asking who suited Carlton better, not who had the better year.
I'm not sure why I brought it up because it doesn't matter who was ahead after year 1 or 2, only year 3 and beyond.
Having said that I thought you would be unbiased enough to admit that Cotch was ahead after year 1, with Kreuzer clearly being ahead after year 2.
Year 3 I can accept you saying Kreuzer, but I generally don't rate ruckmen full stop and rate them almost solely on their work around the ground.
How'd that last one work out?
The one about Richmond being in a good position to attract some opposition players?
I generally don't rate ruckmen that highly, because even the tap work of the best is pretty horrible and often to disadvantage. Cotchins work around the ground is better than Kreuzers hence why I rate him higher. I also think Kreuzer's a bit overated as a forward. He's a handy option but probably no better than most other big guys who cause mismatches with their height.
Kreuzer is overrated as a forward - wtf?- he is a ruckman who goes forward. Understand he is in the side for his ruckwork. The rest of what he is able to do is a bonus that noone on your list provides.
You rate Cotchins work around the ground as better that Kreuzers. NEWSFLASH: That is what a midfielder is supposed to do and is what they get rated on. I would like to know what you base this on.
Kreuzer averages more goals and tackles per game than Cotchin. These are two of the key statistics for midfielders. Cotchin doesn't need to worry about hit outs and he still is behind Kreuzer in these very important statistics. It doesn't say much about Cotchins work around the ground being superior when he only averages 6 more disposals per game and only has one role to play.

