Petracca hair line fracture - Triple M

[Demon13304]

It's one of those situations where he can play, and there's a huge benefit in having him play (being premiership contenders), but you risk a much more significant and serious injury by going down that path.

It's one where hindsight will only be the judge if they DO decide to play him, and one where the decision will become obvious in hindsight (if he plays poorly or re-injures himself).

Not worth the risk imo, but I'd find it hard to admit that if I were a Demons supporter.

Nah I'm telling you right now, most Dees supporters would think it's not worth risk.

As good as he is, I'd hate to play him underdone. And we've got more than enough midfielders to take his place.

 

[demondavey]

It's not the bleeding of the muscle within the fascia that I'd be expecting, it's the area around the soft tissues filling and it will effectively feel the same as compartment syndrome.

As someone who isn’t an orthopaedic surgeon, you wouldn’t be ‘expecting’ this bleeding to happen.

Right.

 

[demondavey]

If it was one more game you would juice him to the eyeballs and let him play.
But the Dees have a potential 3 games, would a big task to get through 3 games juiced to the eyeballs.

 

[demondavey]

Do you need to be a doctor to understand and discuss sports injuries?

Most information is available for free on the internet, you can have a decent understanding of plenty of different topics without holding a medical degree.

I’ve also met plenty of useless doctors over my lifespan. If anything these guys get far too much credit for their actual breadth of knowledge.

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[Xtreme]

Can't see Brisbane beating them this week and I can see Melbourne beating the Cats in the prelim.

I just don't see it happening their form over the last few months has been too wishy-washy. They are definitely not in the same stratosphere (form-wise) like 2021. Geelong are more than capable of playing on the MCG surface, they would need to be poleaxed and run off their feet constantly.

 

[scoman]

I may have been in a similar situation to Petracca when I broke my fibula and watching the other night I wondered if that is what he had done.

I took a knee (I think it was) to my fibula as I went forward to take a chest mark. My opponent fell on me from behind as I did so. I assumed it was a corkie and I hobbled around a bit and then got to the bench and complained that I was quite sore in my lower leg. We weren't sure if I should return to the field, but our ruckman hobbled off after a goal and as I often played in that position, we thought I should give it a go, not suspecting the injury was to the fibula. I took the ruck contest in the centre and landed on the sore leg, which immediately gave way and I knew it was something significant. Turns out I ended up with a broken fibula. I'm pretty sure it would have been fractured to some extent in the initial incident and then finished off so to speak 5-10 minutes later when landing on it.

Now it's most likely that Petracca's hairline fracture was less severe then my initial one from the marking contest. I think it must be, as he was able to play out most of the game and was involved in lots of contests. I'm not sure if it fractures completely that you could continue to play, at least not very well as I remember my leg didn't feel like it was working correctly when I had my injury.

 

[La Dispute]

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That’s interesting because close to 100% of posters have never worked in an AFL club and aren’t accredited coaches yet the majority of discussion revolves around football and I can’t see a lot of call outs in this area.

If someone has some medical knowledge they’d like to divulge to aid the discussion but aren’t doctors I say play on. There are a million studies available online on sports injuries.

 

[demondavey]

That’s interesting because close to 100% of posters have never worked in an AFL club and aren’t accredited coaches yet the majority of discussion revolves around football and I can’t see a lot of call outs in this area.

If someone has some medical knowledge they’d like to divulge to aid the discussion but aren’t doctors I say play on. There are a million studies available online on sports injuries.

Talking about football tactics and medical conditions / injuries isn’t even in the same stratosphere. AFL football is incredibly basic. Talking about broken bones and risks involved with playing football with them is not.

Please don’t have an opinion just because you’re entitled to one.

 

[golions]

Fibia isn't weight bearing. Biggest risk is that the bone becomes displaced and the foot tendons become lax.

They will strap the hell out of the ankle, jab it up so he can't feel it and try and keep the bleeding around the injury down as much as possible so there isn't a compartment syndrome.

I’d be interested to learn more about this bone called the “Fibia”

 

[La Dispute]

Talking about football tactics and medical conditions / injuries isn’t even in the same stratosphere. AFL football is incredibly basic. Talking about broken bones and risks involved with playing football with them is not.

Please don’t have an opinion just because you’re entitled to one.

Peer-reviewed medical studies and biomedical information (especially related to sports injuries) is freely available online.

You don’t have to be a clinician to understand something conceptually if you have an interest in the area.

Posters trying to shut down others knowledge only shows they’re insecure about their own intellectual blindspots.

 

[Taylor]

I’d be interested to learn more about this bone called the “Fibia”

It's a typo

 

[Taylor]

As someone who isn’t an orthopaedic surgeon, you wouldn’t be ‘expecting’ this bleeding to happen.

Right.

Have a look at Geary for what can happen when bleeding occurs within the leg. Take a look at Reiwoldt for what happens when bone damage weeps into swelling joints.

 

[Upstart Swan]

I’d be interested to learn more about this bone called the “Fibia”

It's when you're not sure if its the fibula or the tibia!

 

[JackFlash]

I'm certainly no quack, but it's pretty easy to findout what a hariline fracture is: Hairline or stress fractures are tiny cracks on a bone that often develop in the foot or lower leg. It is common for hairline fractures to occur as a result of sports that involve repetitive jumping or running.
Your doctor may have put your leg in a brace, splint, or cast to allow it to heal or to keep it stable until you see another doctor.
It may take a few weeks to a few months to heal. Is it worth risking Petracca's future for the next 5 or 6 years?

 

[DeadlyAkkuret]

Do you need to be a doctor to understand and discuss sports injuries?

Most information is available for free on the internet, you can have a decent understanding of plenty of different topics without holding a medical degree.

I’ve also met plenty of useless doctors over my lifespan. If anything these guys get far too much credit for their actual breadth of knowledge.

You could have just said yes.


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[Ando727]

Well that means the dees are done.

We're done for this year anyway. Just not in form, major dysfunction in forward entries and a lack of marking forwards. We need to tweak some things and have another crack next year. We'll still probably beat Brisbane though...

 

[Ando727]

If I had a hair line fracture, it would be visible across the very top of my skull.

That's the baldfaced truth right there.

 

[MisterMarcus]

As a Geelong supporter the last thing you want to see is Petracca playing in a big final. Torn a new one by Dusty and Petracca's turn coming up.

From a purely selfish point of view, you'd probably prefer an opponent to go in underdone and hobbling around, no matter how good they are.

Thursday night with Dusty proved that the whole "A half fit superstar is better than a fully fit 23rd man!!" argument is bollocks.

 

[Percel]

That's the baldfaced truth right there.

Hairy situation, or not

 

[MF]

unreal to see coaches still fall into the trap of playing underdone/injured players in finals

saw it first-hand with McVeigh/Mills in the 16 GF... you just don't do it.

I dunno, there are always players on both sides going into finals and grand finals carrying injuries that would normally see them miss during the home and away. I just think it gets overblown in a loss.

 

[Shooter#17]

Well tell me how you feel about that?

or are you one of those people who dont think psychologists are real doctors?

Many of them are not, psychiatrists however are.

 

[inCOGnito]

I may have been in a similar situation to Petracca when I broke my fibula and watching the other night I wondered if that is what he had done.

I took a knee (I think it was) to my fibula as I went forward to take a chest mark. My opponent fell on me from behind as I did so. I assumed it was a corkie and I hobbled around a bit and then got to the bench and complained that I was quite sore in my lower leg. We weren't sure if I should return to the field, but our ruckman hobbled off after a goal and as I often played in that position, we thought I should give it a go, not suspecting the injury was to the fibula. I took the ruck contest in the centre and landed on the sore leg, which immediately gave way and I knew it was something significant. Turns out I ended up with a broken fibula. I'm pretty sure it would have been fractured to some extent in the initial incident and then finished off so to speak 5-10 minutes later when landing on it.

Now it's most likely that Petracca's hairline fracture was less severe then my initial one from the marking contest. I think it must be, as he was able to play out most of the game and was involved in lots of contests. I'm not sure if it fractures completely that you could continue to play, at least not very well as I remember my leg didn't feel like it was working correctly when I had my injury.

I suffered a similar fate back in my playing days. 3/4 the way through a footy season had someone land on my leg just above my left ankle coming in from the side forcing my ankle inwards and jamming up that joint. Wasn't super painful, just the deadness like a corkie like Scoman said above - definitely hampered ability to run at top speed and turn as the season went on. I ended up playing rest of the footy year, then through a cricket season as a bowler in an ankle brace (was front foot). By the end of cricket I was cooked and often couldn't walk properly the next day. Had been to physios/osteos/doctors, had X Rays and nothing was detected until I went to a specialist doc (AFL doctor at Olympic Sports Med) and he ordered a bone scan, which showed significant stress fractures along the fibula. I spent the whole next year basically out of sport and its never been the same since, having other foot related issues years down the track. I could still play as the adrenaline helped, but still had issues. It also gives me grief to this day almost 20 years later.

Moral of the story - depending how bad it is, he can probably play through the pain and will be a bit restricted in what he can do, but it could be at a cost to his future performance if he breaks it, or develops other issues in it like stress fractures. His loading, the impact force from tackles etc would be a million times higher than any of us would have felt on the field (also his ability to withstand it), but don't reckon you risk a star like that.

Either way I guess you have to trust the doctors, but its definitely a tough call.

 

[juss]

It's a risk/reward call I guess.

If there's no/low risk that attempting to play makes it worse or any riskier than if he didn't have it, then I'm sure they will roll the dice.

If it's either rest now for a month, or potentially it turns into a break requiring surgery and he misses the preseason, that's a much harder call.

Depends how far you go all in on this game, and this year.

If I was Melbourne, I'd still be thinking we're a big chance in this game without Petracca. I'd also think that in 2023, we're a big chance too, and I think Petracca over that entire 2023 season is more important than he is this week.

There's nothing that says he can't play the PF, if they decide to give him this week off and reassess next week (if they win).

I think the Demons should be good enough to cover him.

 

[juss]

From a purely selfish point of view, you'd probably prefer an opponent to go in underdone and hobbling around, no matter how good they are.

Thursday night with Dusty proved that the whole "A half fit superstar is better than a fully fit 23rd man!!" argument is bollocks.

Bit different though, Dusty came in lacking both matchplay and aerobic fitness/ strength.

Petracca will still have all of that having played all year, will just likely be playing sore. I think I'd expect he could probably play to a better level than Dusty did. Sadly for us, Dusty needed a couple of weeks lead up, which unfortunately we couldn't give him.

 

[inCOGnito]

It's a risk/reward call I guess.

If there's no/low risk that attempting to play makes it worse or any riskier than if he didn't have it, then I'm sure they will roll the dice.

If it's either rest now for a month, or potentially it turns into a break requiring surgery and he misses the preseason, that's a much harder call.

Depends how far you go all in on this game, and this year.

If I was Melbourne, I'd still be thinking we're a big chance in this game without Petracca. I'd also think that in 2023, we're a big chance too, and I think Petracca over that entire 2023 season is more important than he is this week.

There's nothing that says he can't play the PF, if they decide to give him this week off and reassess next week (if they win).

I think the Demons should be good enough to cover him.

I agree, being the match winner that he is if he was at the end of his career you can probably roll the dice even more, but good teams can still find ways to manage without. If he really does stuff it by trying to play on you have plenty of examples of where players are never the same after a broken leg. Different break to what comes to my mind, but there's still that element of risk.