Pick 12

[Silvagnis]

Are you all there?

You've ripped off TBU's comments for a phantom draft.

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=650510

 

[shell23]

Yh about that, my brother tryed to make is but he failed he was copying all the shit from other sites

 

[thegreenmachine]

The best available policy is ok if you're a bottom team and a weak list...

It's also good if we still have some "dead wood" remaining on our list, or players who you can pencil in as not being part of our future premiership plans.
If we had the chance of building our list to the depth of Geelong or St. Kilda we would do it every single year, and by doing that best available is the way to go IMO.

What I'm saying is that I would rather go for a forward that we really need than a ruck or midfielder who has slightly more talent. Obviously this forward would have to be worthy of a pick around about the pick 12 or it's pointless. There's no use having 5 or 6 ruckmen and loads of mids if there's no-one to put the ball through the big sticks!

Really don't believe you can have too many mids these days if they can play in other positions at either end of the field (just look at Geelong and the Bulldogs).
And not having Fevola as the one-dimension in our forward line will equate to a strange and unpredictable phenomenon for us.
You are obviously a needs man here. Surely we also need to add another running half-back or speedy wingman/onballer to our team as well?
Oh, and just on the players in the poll, I agree that Butcher will almost certainly be gone before pick 12, would probably constitute best available out of all of those guys.
If I also put my mind to it I could do a PD but my predictions are that Lucas (WCE, pick 7) Tapscott (Port, Pick 8), Stevens (Ess, Pick 10) and another tall (Melb, Pick 11) will all be gone before our pick.
So who does that leave us with? We would probably be left with Talia or Sheppard.
Now Talia does not fill a need as a developing KPD (and if we draft him then would there really be any point in drafting Maguire?) but as the best defender in the draft and as a Carlton supporter as well if you're looking for sentiment then he's obviously a real chance however I'm still leaning towards Sheppard. And there's no reason why you couldn't play Sheppard and OKeeffe in the same side as Sheppard's ability to play further upfield will be put to great use as well!

 

[Salaryman]

I reckon Sheppard will start off as a rebounding HBF at the next level, but could very easily turn into a Bernie Vince type midfielder.

 

[Scared Scotland]

ill take john butcher any day over all the others but he will definitely be gone when our turn comes

by watching nearly all of the above people i really do rate talia at all he seemed to get alot of easy possession but he did show he has the smarts

i would rather go after aaron black or even panos

Panos i think but its up to them

 

[zeeCFC]

Lets hope that Melbourne take Luke Ball at pick 11 and leave us with more options

 

[Blueboys7]

Lets hope that Melbourne take Luke Ball at pick 11 and leave us with more options

Hope so!

But why would they, when they could take him at 18? Doesn't make sense...

 

[BlueGibbs2011]

Now Talia does not fill a need as a developing KPD (and if we draft him then would there really be any point in drafting Maguire?)

We have needs in various positions on the ground. We still carry 4-5 players in our best 22 who aren't good enough. To say we dont need a KPD in Talia is way off the mark. We def need a quality KPD to tie the defence together - we just dont have that sort of player. We could also use Talia to go fwd like Hurley.

Counting players in terms of centremetres doesnt cut it for mine. Except for biased Carlton fans, only Bower has shown enough signs to be considered better than average if not good of our young KPDs. Austin and Jamison havent done enough to earn total confidence. And Maguire has nothing to do with anything as he is just a risk worth looking at. He would not be integral to their list plans or thinking at all. They may just choose to roll the dice with him and hope he offers something.

If we pick up a rebounding defender with 12 i dont mind so much as that is another need. It just means Carlton arent quite getting the draft luck they need in the right order as the KPP players take longer to have an impact. In the perfect world we want to fill our needs with a second quality KPF, KPD, rebounding HBFer, speedy winger, HFFer in that order. Then w're rdy to rumble!!!

I know some people quote WCE and Geelong as teams who have won a flag with an average KPP players in their fwd line or defence, but what does my head in is that no one realizes Carlton doesnt have a good fwd line or backline in terms of KPPs - we are very weak at both ends with a grat midfield.

Despite this, I hear more mids, more mids! Hopefully the club knows better and is not overrating their own players thinking Jamison is already elite like a Glass!

 

[Charbzilla]

So.... we just assuming that Gary Rohan will be snapped up by Sydney??

Im wondering why Gary Rohan is not included in your listing, Mr. OP?
He looks far superior than Talia (albeit within the highlights package)

If Gary slips then he is a Blue. Simple as that IMO

 

[Salaryman]

Gary won't slip to 12....don't torture yourself with hope

 

[DarkTint]

gary rohan to carlton would be like adding another top 5 pick to our list. Wont happen.

I picked other in the poll. Other being whoever wh, ratts and the recruiters think we should pick at 12. Im 99% sure they will take the player they think is most talented that is left at that stage.

Please note also that whoever we draft next year should only play a handful of games at most. imo we're not a weak teeam nemore that needs to pump game time into their kids, are kids are growing 1-2 seasons away from shitting all over this league. Instead our young kids get to work on their games at vfl level and progress naturally and steadily. we'll suffer injuries like every year, kids will get their chance ........ ffs cant wait, let us slaughter the tigers already

 

[BlueGibbs2011]

I picked other in the poll. Other being whoever wh, ratts and the recruiters think we should pick at 12. Im 99% sure they will take the player they think is most talented that is left at that stage.

But this is a forum where we discuss and express our own opinions, othereise there is no point in having this forum here! It goes without saying Carlton will choose who they think is best!

 

[Weiterbot23]

Melbourne comitting to Luke Ball with pick 11 basically move us up a spot in the draft!

Good news IMO as a lot of us here thought they would be snatching the a tall out of our hands with this pick, seeing as they will take mids with pick 1 & 2.

 

[Salaryman]

Melbourne comitting to Luke Ball with pick 11 basically move us up a spot in the draft!

Good news IMO as a lot of us here thought they would be snatching the a tall out of our hands with this pick, seeing as they will take mids with pick 1 & 2.

Source??

 

[Weiterbot23]

Source??

Luke Ball has finally confirmed he will sever ties with St Kilda and nominate in the pre-season draft. Picture: Michael Dodge Source: Herald Sun



MELBOURNE will play hard ball with potential recruit Luke Ball, declaring yesterday it could use its pick 11 to secure him in the national draft.


Whoops I just looked at the title and got "could" mixed up with "would"

They would be stupid to use 11 as you would expect him to be available at 18

 

[Salaryman]

meh, coulda, shoulda, woulda......hardly set in stone

 

[Blueboys7]

Source??

They haven't as far as I know

There was an article yesterday saying the Dees haven't ruled out taking him with pick 11 as other clubs have shown interest, particularly Collingwood (pick 30) and Brisbane (pick 27). In that case why wouldn't they just use pick 18 if they were that desperate to add him to their list?

The only thing I can think of is another club with a pick between 11 and 18 have shown strong interest.

So perhaps one of:

• Carlton - not going to happen
• Adelaide - a possibility of adding another strong bodied mid with the ageing Thompson and Edwards but I doubt it.
• Sydney - will go in the youth direction so no.
• Western Bulldogs - perhaps, may want to add a mid to their rotation in the hopes of heightening their chances for a flag. Probably not.
• Port Adelaide - Youth direction.
• Geelong - May be a smokey for him, to add another mid would give them more flexibilty and give them more strength for a tougher year next year. Probably go with youth though.

So basically it looks likely that he will be available at pick 18 if Melbourne really want him, so why would they use pick 11?

 

[Sharks On A Plane]

Except for biased Carlton fans, only Bower has shown enough signs to be considered better than average if not good of our young KPDs. Austin and Jamison havent done enough to earn total confidence.

Injuries aside, I would say that almost every game Jamison has played is proof of his above-average ability as a full-back, thus justifiably earning the total confidence of Carlton supporters.

In your desperation to sound unbiased, you are hopelessly selling Jamison short if you don't even rate him as 'better than average'. Few young defenders have shown as much stopping potential as him playing on both talls and smalls.

 

[Sharks On A Plane]

So basically it looks likely that he will be available at pick 18 if Melbourne really want him, so why would they use pick 11?

Because Carlton will publicly commit to him with pick 12, and hope that Melbourne takes the bait...

 

[Weiterbot23]

If melbourne use pick 11, they are effectively trading ball for Mclean...who would you prefer?

 

[Blueboys7]

Because Carlton will publicly commit to him with pick 12, and hope that Melbourne takes the bait...

It would be very Carlton like wouldn't it

smart but harsh

 

[Shambolic]

I was told by someone I dont know very well that we'dve told Talia that we'll take him with Pick 12.

Unlike some posts I'll at least acknowledge its not a good source.

 

[BlueGibbs2011]

Injuries aside, I would say that almost every game Jamison has played is proof of his above-average ability as a full-back, thus justifiably earning the total confidence of Carlton supporters.

In your desperation to sound unbiased, you are hopelessly selling Jamison short if you don't even rate him as 'better than average'. Few young defenders have shown as much stopping potential as him playing on both talls and smalls.

What about Hawks early in the season with Jamison vs roughie. All i can remember is the 8 goals. Jamo has played some very good games and has also been towelled up as well. He is an ok FB but not a patch on the elite FBs like Scarlett, Lake and Glass. Think Lloyd did pretty well in one of the games with Jamo as well!

I didnt say he was a hack, just not elite. I would rate him as OK which is a fair analysis! If we drafted an elite backman to sit alongside him, he would improve out of site, e.g. Judd's impact on our other mids.

Bower has been the only one of the younger tall defensive players that has shown potential eliteness.

 

[Blueboys7]

I was told by someone I dont know very well that we'dve told Talia that we'll take him with Pick 12.

Unlike some posts I'll at least acknowledge its not a good source.

Talia is my choice and I hope he makes it to our selection. There is alot to like about the kid. His ability to run off his opponent whilst shutting them down is a great quality to have, good skills, good contested mark (as some might not think) and a good size.

Make it happen Carlton.

P.S Sheppard would also fit in very nicely.

 

[Silvagnis]

What about Hawks early in the season with Jamison vs roughie. All i can remember is the 8 goals. Jamo has played some very good games and has also been towelled up as well. He is an ok FB but not a patch on the elite FBs like Scarlett, Lake and Glass. Think Lloyd did pretty well in one of the games with Jamo as well!

I didnt say he was a hack, just not elite. I would rate him as OK which is a fair analysis! If we drafted an elite backman to sit alongside him, he would improve out of site, e.g. Judd's impact on our other mids.

Bower has been the only one of the younger tall defensive players that has shown potential eliteness.

And Hale kicked eight goals on Scarlett.

So what?

Our midfield just let Hawthorn hit Roughead lace out without any pressure.

If I recall correctly, Jamison was playing on Roughead in his first game back from a bung shoulder.

Jamison owns Bradshaw.

And has also played on Medhurst and Koschitzke and beaten them.

Riewoldt was beating Waite in a game at the G before Jamison moved onto him and quietened their skipper.

A nice argument.

Your argument falls down because you're assuming Talia is going to be an elite KPP with intensity.

Some posters who have seen Talia play rate him as a floating tall.

Doesn't Talia sound similar to some of the talls that we have?

Henderson, Austin, Waite, Jamison and Bower have shown more than Talia, yet you're just trying to come with a justification to pick him. You should base your justification on talent and ability, not your desire to find a KPP.